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I won't quote anyone specifically because I am getting late into the discussion, but are people saying that these devices literally just stop working? I think that is what I am reading but it cannot be because, well, people are still able to use a ten year old iPhone if they so choose.
As is often the case with threads of this nature a good amount of unnecessary hyperbole (on to top of just plain conjectures) gets injected in many places.
Yes. The "touch disease" would stop your phone from working.
While it certainly might, it doesn't really have anything to do with "planned obsolescence", short of just some people just associating it with it all because they feel like it essentially.
 
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Yes. The "touch disease" would stop your phone from working.
I had a feeling it was regarding that. We have no idea if this was planned, and if it was, it was done stupidly because it will be easily documentable and Apple will be forced to create a fix, unless their grand plan was to screw only people in countries that have zero consumer protection laws. My expectation is they (Apple) will deem the issue prevalent enough that they push their own fix anyway, without any government prodding.
 
I had a feeling it was regarding that. We have no idea if this was planned, and if it was, it was done stupidly because it will be easily documentable and Apple will be forced to create a fix, unless their grand plan was to screw only people in countries that have zero consumer protection laws. My expectation is they (Apple) will deem the issue prevalent enough that they push their own fix anyway, without any government prodding.
It's because Apple cut corners by skipping the underfill and the metal shield.
 
It's because Apple cut corners by skipping the underfill and the metal shield.
Assuming this is true (I am not claiming it is not). That explanation has everything to do with cutting corners and not planned obsolescence though. The motivating factor here is saving production costs not creating some sort of timer in the unit to render it useless after a certain amount of time has passed.
 
Assuming this is true (I am not claiming it is not). That explanation has everything to do with cutting corners and not planned obsolescence though. The motivating factor here is saving production costs not creating some sort of timer in the unit to render it useless after a certain amount of time has passed.
Or potentially just using a newer design that is thinner/lighter without necessarily realizing that particular outcome (or perhaps realizing but not seeing it as a likely enough of a scenario to warrant some change).
 
Assuming this is true (I am not claiming it is not). That explanation has everything to do with cutting corners and not planned obsolescence though. The motivating factor here is saving production costs not creating some sort of timer in the unit to render it useless after a certain amount of time has passed.
Cutting cost and making less durable products is, by definition, planned obsolescence.
 
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Or potentially just using a newer design that is thinner/lighter without necessarily realizing that particular outcome (or perhaps realizing but not seeing it as a likely enough of a scenario to warrant some change).
Well, we can call it bad implemetnation too lol. I think the take home point is that it is not an intentional outcome.
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Cutting cost and hence making less durable products is, by definition, planned obsolescence.
Cutting costs is not, by any definition, planned obsolescence. But this argument is silly. Please carry on without me lol.
 
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Cutting costs is not, by any definition, planned obsolescence. But this argument is silly. Please carry on without me lol.

My mistake, you are correct.

For example, the iPhone could have been made out of plastic, which would cut cost, but not compromise durability.
 
I won't quote anyone specifically because I am getting late into the discussion, but are people saying that these devices literally just stop working? I think that is what I am reading but it cannot be because, well, people are still able to use a ten year old iPhone if they so choose.
No they can't. The original iPhone is just 9 years old. I use mine as alarm clock. Whenever I scroll through the home screen, I'm always suprised by how responsive it is given the internal hardware. :p
 
Apple removed the metal bracket and underfill to make the iPhone less durable than in the past.

You tell me:


This is a bad manufacturing choice. Apple design/engineering choice...of that of the manufacturer? Less durable, or cheaper to produce?

Hard to say. It is Apple's responsibility either way. My hunch is someone decided it was good enough, and keeps cost down. And it isn't.

Over the years, Apple has had a handful of hardware failures like this, including GPU failure on some 2012 MBPs, antenna gate, bend gate, screen coating peeling, and even going back to the iBook G4 mother board that would fail after about 2-3 years...nearly exactly the same as this current iPhone underfill/cracked solder issue, and others.

All of these have caused bad press, mad customers, extended warranty programs (recalls). I am skeptical that any of these were "designed obsolesce", more likely real design/engineering mistakes....or worst case, cutting corners to reduce cost, with unintended consequences: early failures. I am sure all of them cost Apple money. Assuming this is true, no way they do it on purpose, with idea that devices will fail early Makes no financial sense.

The flip side is, we live in world of disposable everything. The notion is simple: design things so they wear out about when folks are done with it. Nothing is built to last anymore, unless one seeks out very high end niche stuff. We get fun stuff as cheap prices because it is not built to last.

Example: was looking at furniture the other day, and ran across hand made, fabulous Amish made dining set. Great design, fabulous wood, construction, finish, American made, etc. Heirloom quality. Taken care of, could last 100 years or more. But, the set cost about $7000. And I would say it was worth that.

But most folks buy a set closer to $700, and expect it to last about 10 years or so. Not to pass down to 2 or more generations. Read once that Ikea designs sofas so that the frame, springs, and foam lasts about the same as the covering fabric. When it is worn, pitch it. Back in the day, furniture had well made, hard wood frame, and would often get reupholstered several times. I have one chair from the 1930's and one that may be from the late 1800's. Still going strong, after being reupholstered. But that world is nearly gone now.

Consumer electronics is even worse. Pretty much everything, every brand, is built to last whatever the useable life is deemed to be......say about 5 years. Same with appliances, and just about everything these days. When I was kid—back when dinosaurs still walked the earth—it was not uncommon to see folks with refrigerators, stoves, toasters, etc. that were 30+ years old and still cranking away. And that had been repaired a few times. There once was world filled with TV repair shops. Really....it's true!

Like it or not, that's the world we live in.

Overall, Apple's record holds up that their hardware generally lasts longer than the industry average. But they have lemons, just like every other brand. I suggest they have less than most.
 
Basically if Apple does something then it's a conspiracy, if Apple does the opposite of it it's also a cospiracy, and if Apple doesn't do anything it's still a conspiracy.

Wrong.If Apple does SOMETHING and by something I mean enabling downgrade support its not a conspiracy

I repeat your device doesn't magically stop working,

Now you are just denying facts

Mysterious ‘Touch Disease’ plagues iPhone 6 owners

"http://www.cultofmac.com/443136/mysterious-touch-disease-plagues-iphone-6-owners/'


not like the Samsung g Galaxy s7 that were trashed because of no waterproofing. That's really the epitome of planned obsolescence. Apple engages in inevitable obsolescence.

Firstly thats the cheaper model of the S7 called the S7 Active which failed.The flagship Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge passed.Secondly,thats not planned obsolescence as this only happens contingent to a certan action involving you dipping the phone in water.
iPhone 6 on the other hand has a TIMED self destruct mechanism in it

I used to think Samsung screens were better quality and now it seems they even outlast the iPhone screens!

Which has nothing to do with anything being planned.

You can't put two and two together?What are the chances of iPhone 6 failing EXACTLY a week or so before launch being a coincidence.Yeah,NO

BTW you should tell that to the customers who bricked their phone.Apple has yet to make a statement on this and based on the look of things THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY A NEW PHONE.Now how is that NOT planned obsolsecence?

Or potentially just using a newer design that is thinner/lighter without necessarily realizing that particular outcome (or perhaps realizing but not seeing it as a likely enough of a scenario to warrant some change).

Is that why the 6S seemingly has the metal shield?
 
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Wrong.If Apple does SOMETHING and by something I mean enabling downgrade support its not a conspiracy



Now you are just denying facts

Mysterious ‘Touch Disease’ plagues iPhone 6 owners

"http://www.cultofmac.com/443136/mysterious-touch-disease-plagues-iphone-6-owners/'




Firstly thats the cheaper model of the S7 called the S7 Active which failed.The flagship Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge passed.Secondly,thats not planned obsolescence as this only happens contingent to a certan action involving you dipping the phone in water.
iPhone 6 on the other hand has a TIMED self destruct mechanism in it

I used to think Samsung screens were better quality and now it seems they even outlast the iPhone screens!



You can't put two and two together?What are the chances of iPhone 6 failing EXACTLY a week or so before launch being a coincidence.Yeah,NO

BTW you should tell that to the customers who bricked their phone.Apple has yet to make a statement on this and based on the look of things THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY A NEW PHONE.Now how is that NOT planned obsolsecence?



Is that why the 6S seemingly has the metal shield?
Right I stand corrected. Those iPhone 6 stops working like the exploding note 7 and waterproof galaxy's that aren't. My bad, Samsung engineering at its finest? Planned obsolescence? Yep by all of this sound logic here. And my car giving out as the warranty expires? Two plus two equals 5.
 
I can't afford an iPhone but I do know that Macs last much longer than Windows machines. My mid-2007 iMac was happily running El Capitan until it blew up a couple of months ago. I doubt if you'd get any Windows machine of similar vintage to run Windows 8, let alone Windows 10. You might get it to install but it wouldn't actually run.

Wrong! I have a Dell XPS M1330 from 2007 that still runs very well on a T9300 with 4GB RAM with Windows 10.
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Wrong.If Apple does SOMETHING and by something I mean enabling downgrade support its not a conspiracy



Now you are just denying facts

Mysterious ‘Touch Disease’ plagues iPhone 6 owners

"http://www.cultofmac.com/443136/mysterious-touch-disease-plagues-iphone-6-owners/'

You're confusing an apparently unintended manufacturing or design problem with a wild and unsupportable conspiracy theory involving manipulation of hardware and software update cycles that allegedly make old hardware unusable. "Touch disease" is a completely separate issue from crazy theories involving "planned obsolescence."
 
Wrong.If Apple does SOMETHING and by something I mean enabling downgrade support its not a conspiracy
That, or anything else, will be spun as some sort of conspiracy by those who ususally see one somewhere (when it comes to Apple). Nothing new.

You can't put two and two together?What are the chances of iPhone 6 failing EXACTLY a week or so before launch being a coincidence.Yeah,NO

BTW you should tell that to the customers who bricked their phone.Apple has yet to make a statement on this and based on the look of things THEY WILL BE FORCED TO BUY A NEW PHONE.Now how is that NOT planned obsolsecence?
Logic still exists in the world (even if some don't realize it or choose to ignore it): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Is that why the 6S seemingly has the metal shield?
They improved the design. Fairly straightforward.
 
And antenna gate and soc gate and ?

Well there is also Samsung POOFgate.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12738910/samsung-galaxy-note-7-shipping-delays-exploding-batteries

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...y-note-7-shipments-after-reports-of-explodin/

This could be planned obsolescence taken to an extreme I think. Now not only do the devices turn into a hot steaming pile of bovine feed, they literally go POOF. Planning went bad though. Premature POOF.

By the way I'm still trying to find whether the Note 4 and Note 5 will get the retinal scanner. Because you know.....planned obsolescence considerations and such.
 
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At least those cars didnt have a "time bomb" programmed inside them so that the car stops functioning as the new one comes out

Samsung literally has came out with a time bomb. Note 7 catches on fire just from charging.

My iPhone 6 is running just fine as the day I bought it two years ago. With 6 days until the iPhone 7 announcement. I guess that disproves your whole planned obsolescence time bomb theory. It's incredibly laughable you actually think Apple planned for the iPhone 6 "suddenly" break right before the iPhone 7 launch, as if it's been hard coded into the silicon to do so.

You are an extraordinarily special person, and not in a good way. I forgot, how much does Samsung pay you to continuously bash Apple (on an Apple related site) and praise Samsung again?
 
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Well there is also Samsung POOFgate.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/31/12738910/samsung-galaxy-note-7-shipping-delays-exploding-batteries

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...y-note-7-shipments-after-reports-of-explodin/

This could be planned obsolescence taken to an extreme I think. Now not only do the devices turn into a hot steaming pile of bovine feed, they literally go POOF. Planning went bad though. Premature POOF.

By the way I'm still trying to find whether the Note 4 and Note 5 will get the retinal scanner. Because you know.....planned obsolescence considerations and such.

This is the ultimate planned obsolescence. Samsung sells you a pyrotechnic phone. It burns your house down. You have to replace your phone...and your Samsung TV...and your Samsung washer and dryer...and your Samsung refrigerator...and dishwasher...and range...and computer...and...and... :eek: :D
 
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This is the ultimate planned obsolescence. Samsung sells you a pyrotechnic phone. It burns your house down. You have to replace your phone...and your Samsung TV...and your Samsung washer and dryer...and your Samsung refrigerator...and dishwasher...and range...and computer...and...and... :eek: :D

OHMYGOD don't talk to me about Samsung refrigerators. I bought a French door Samsung refrigerator with my performance award money back in 2012. IT.IS.DEAD. Freezer died this summer, and fridge is questionable. I wasi waiting for Labor Day sales to replace, but it was a sad summer without ice cream.

I'm going off Samsung products for good. My phones have been terrible and my fridge died. Enough for me. I've found the company to push nothing but trash.
 
my iPhone 6 Plus has been a great phone for the last 2 years. But for the last month it has started to become very Buggy and having forced restarts.

Is their any truth to apple and the planned obsolensce ?
Nope. With an iPhone, you'll experience planned obsolesce after your iPhone slows down dramatically right after installing the last available operating system upgrade. I’ve experienced that with my 2nd and 4th generation iPod Touches.
 
I'd say no. Engineers at apple are professionals, and some of the best in the world. If they were asked to sabotage their work on purpose they would likely say no, quit, leak it to the media etc!

Theres a superb podcast series with Don Melton who worked at apple. In one he is asked about this and he gets very angry at the thought.

I think it makes people happy to have someone to blame/complain

Would you mind providing a link to this podcast series?
 
A few comments, Apple is in business to make money. This is what investors demand and expect.

They try to do this by offering well designed products at a competitive price and leveraging a closed ecosystem as a benefit. They make the hardware and the software and provide the services like music, cloud, etc... this is sort of an all-in strategy that has proven very compelling for those people who want the advantages that a closed system can offer... software and hardware designed to work together.... improving the harminey through engineering instead of just adding more horsepower.

To me it's not a great comparison Mac OS vs Windows. Windows hardware can be anything, everything, and to some people, this is a detractor that they just don't want to live with.

As to planned obsolescence I don't even know what that means it's such a buzzword now.

As consumers we have loads of choices, we can buy for longevity, price, performance or any number of other factors we deem important.

However, the idea of supporting the hardware indefinitely, improving the software constantly, and adding new features as they become possible or "invented" are at times mutually incompatible. And while some make a lot of noise that their 4 year old phone isn't as snappy as the new phones being sold, it's not clear what these same people would design or do if they were in charge of driving revenue for Apple.

the masses demand new products, this is what is driving the revenue for the whole industry.. they don't just want software improvements to the original iPhone, they want new hardware, new software, they want it all.
In that vision you have to crunch the numbers and understand when the effort to maintain backward compatibility will cost more than its worth, the point of rapidly diminishing gains.

It all has a cost... you can invest in building the next new thing, out some towards keeping he most recent devices working as best as you can within tech limitations and decide not to go all the way back to the beginning.... or you can divert more from achieving the future vision, and put more into device compatibility and realize less profits, reduced velocity of innovation, etc.

I'd argue that Apple probably spends more than most companies of its type on legacy device support and that their hardware products generally have a longer practical lifespan as a result of this and the advantages of a closed ecosystem.

Somehow we have to move beyond our entitled mindset...
 
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