It's tough titty. That's the way Apple does things. They don't listen to marketers. That's why there stuff is better. If you don't want usb-c then go elsewhere. Nobody cares.
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It's tough titty. That's the way Apple does things. They don't listen to marketers. That's why there stuff is better. If you don't want usb-c then go elsewhere. Nobody cares.
Correct.
True.
You're just clumsy, man
Spot on.
- The UI. If you think the UI below is normal, intuitive and pretty, I have 2 words for you : Stockholm Syndrome
(and it's not even including the windows bottom nav which makes it even uglier!)
Spot on. It's butt-ugly. (To be fair, that's Outlook, though, not Windows in general)
You're right.
It's an ugly mess.
My point is that this does not get in the way of getting actual work done.
Most people do their work using a fixed set of tools that they know the keystrokes by heart (e.g. Photoshop, Emacs, Cubase...), irrespective of how ugly the platform looks - so the OS shell is not really relevant, is it?
Personally, I do most of my work in an Emacs session, and there is no real difference between Windows, Linux and Mac for me, because I don't deal with the actual OS often.
What I am after is (performance + ergonomy + upgradeability) per dollar - and I think that's about by definition what the "pro market" looks for.
And I don't think Apple really caters to those needs lately (although it sure did 10 years ago, when a Powerbook was about the only sensible choice).
On this, I wish you all a happy new year since it's going to be that here in a few hours and it's probably ongoing in US !
Same!
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?? They don't listen to marketers? It's what the company is built upon .....
do you think apple is pushing USB-C cause they want to improve our lives or that the makeup in dongles is one of the highest in the apple line? This is the evolution of giving us Mini DisplayPort, ignored by most , so this time they gave us no choice to ignore it....dont worry, when USB-C or if USB-c becomes mainstream, we will get a new standard..... though the iPhone will never get usb-C due to loss of revenue.
I've owned heaps of Apple laptops, often upgrade every year and keep a close watch on internet opinion when a new product is released. Never seen such a backlash to an Apple laptop before nor so many knowledgeable people recommending the old model over the new. It's also the first time I've felt disinclined to upgrade to a new model. Sticking to my 2014 rMBP.
Nice work on 500px. Which 2014 rMBP do you have and are you happy with the performance in Lightroom and Photoshop? I think I've decided to avoid the 2016 machines, but I'm still not sure about making the leap from Windows when I compare Mac specs to a PC I can build for a lot less money. Many thanks.
Not even close. First of all, for 90% devices nothing needs to be redesigned, all you need is a few new cables.
And you say it would be a good idea two years from now, but the situation would be the same. Change always bothers some people.
Finally, Thunderbolt 2 was an expensive standard with a less used port. USB-C is ubiquitous because it's backwards compatible with any previous USB port (just get new cables) and is cheap and supported by everyone. There is no question whether everything will be usb-c. As for Thunderbolt 3, that is more questionable, but this is exactly why Intel decided to use the same usb-c port for the standard, to help adoptability.
I've had my 15" MBP all of 4 days now and I'm in love. It's a worthy upgrade to my old 2012 15" non-retina. The only thing I wish was better was the battery life, but I expected the results I'm getting based on reviews and real-life results of others that came before me. The touchbar is a nice tool and I expect to see it become even more useful down the line. All in all this is by far the best Macbook I've owned
Thanks. I've got the fully loaded 2.8 2014 machine. It was a beast in its day and the top 2015 MBP is basically the same laptop, I believe, with the main difference of the force track pad. Am very happy with its performance in Lightroom and Photoshop. Check out diglloyd for his testing of various Mac models in photoshop. I have a lot of thunderbolt 2 and other peripherals which require dongles to work with the 2016 model. If I didn't I would probably go with the 2016 model, although lack of an SD slot is a pain for the way I operate. Anyway it's 2017 and the fact that the latest models don't perform significantly better than 2014 is sad.
I have no idea how many hours I've spent playing around with Os X server through the terminal. Lots of time to throw away at the Macs too.
And Macs "just works" often but not always. I've had quite a bit of issues with graphics cards and such over the years. I guess it all boils down to what you will be using the Mac for. Most people don't need super fast gpus or cpus unless they are gaming. Since you already have Macs in the family you probably have lots of experience with them or are at least in a position to spend some time with them and see if they make you more productive. For anything but audio I find Windows to be just as good (or better) as MacOs and you get better hardware for the money with non Macs if you buy carefully.
And regarding the "division" in the community: This is the internet and people here will be quite rabid if they find people with opposite views.
I'm not much of a tech person, but I know that after owning windows laptops my entire life I got a macbook air 3.5 yrs ago and it was by far the best laptop I've ever had. The UI was so intuitive, and most impressive was that it was still just as fast as the day that i bought it, even after 3.5 yrs of being used many hours every day (I got water on it, that's why it broke
). Unless Apple price me out of their laptops, I'll stick with them.I'm not much of a tech person, but I know that after owning windows laptops my entire life I got a macbook air 3.5 yrs ago and it was by far the best laptop I've ever had. The UI was so intuitive, and most impressive was that it was still just as fast as the day that i bought it, even after 3.5 yrs of being used many hours every day (I got water on it, that's why it broke
I also think that the Air is a wonderful laptop. If I were to get a laptop that was only for typing and watching film, I would probably get that one.
File structure and UI have always felt better on the Macs... even before the introduction of Os X. I also have the feeling Windows laptops needs a good clean wipe and re-installment of the operating system now and then. This Laptop I'm using now has windows 10 and it has been running for a good 1.5 years and it is still snappy, but I dread the day I need to wipe it clean. It has two SSDs with lots and lots of GB audio samples and software instruments.
The "being priced out of a product" is sort of a relative issue in my opinion. Unless someone just flat out can't cough up the money.
I was incredibly skeptical when they were released and after weeks of agonising and finding a buyer for my 2014 MacBook Air I decided to get the nTB version and I couldn't have been happier with my decision, especially reading the problems some have had with the TB version. Sure, the CPU is a little weaker and the RAM clocked lower but I haven't had it affect my workflow. Also no choppy animations; that would have annoyed me more than having paid extra for an ostensibly better spec'd machine and seeing poor battery life or stuttering animations.
Initially I was going to skip this and wait for a refresh in 2017 but I'm pleased. I especially love the screen, speakers and form factor.
Initially I was going to skip this and wait for a refresh in 2017 but I'm pleased. I especially love the screen, speakers and form factor.
I remember a lot of complaints about the iPhone... which Apple addressed. The original idea was to not allow third-party developers, as I recall.
But I don't think this is generally true. I heard exactly zero complaints about the idea of the iPad, and lots of people had been talking about wanting one for years when it showed up.
I don't remember anything even a little comparable to this, though, where people who liked the previous products in the line are upset. The closest would be the large number of people (me among them) who won't get an iphone 7 because the headphone jack is, for me, an absolutely mandatory feature for a music-playing-device.
I bought one and returned it. All the talk about the problems with the USB-C ports is real. I basically couldn't easily find enough readily available to put the system to use. On my other systems all the ports are in use. USB-C may be cutting edge etc., but if you have work you need to get done right now, it's a PIA. I don't have time to be tracking down a conglomeration of adapters and cables to make what works right now on my old systems just to accommodate Jony Ive's idiotic quest for thinner and thinner computers.
I really wish Apple would sell its computer division off to some people that know what people use computers for. We do medical imaging. I could care less how thin or thick it is. It's a tool, not a fashion statement. Maybe the members of team Ive/Cook would like it if we were doing cancer screens on an iPhone or an iPad, where they could easily be missed. Team Ive/Cook is totally clueless.
I really wish Apple would sell its computer division off to some people that know what people use computers for. We do medical imaging. I could care less how thin or thick it is. It's a tool, not a fashion statement. Maybe the members of team Ive/Cook would like it if we were doing cancer screens on an iPhone or an iPad, where they could easily be missed. Team Ive/Cook is totally clueless.
Some of us in engineering and the sciences don't consider that professional work either
Just kidding, but in a lot of medical or scientific fields you can easily exhaust the provided 16GB, for example, I'm not sure people get that.
Step 1: load R or SAS
Step 2: load dataset larger than 16GB
Step 3: there is no step 3
Some of us in engineering and the sciences don't consider that professional work either
Just kidding, but in a lot of medical or scientific fields you can easily exhaust the provided 16GB, for example, I'm not sure people get that.
Step 1: load R or SAS
Step 2: load dataset larger than 16GB
Step 3: there is no step 3
What is your point exactly? There are people out there that need 64 GB or 128GB of memory. There are heavy and thick laptops available to you that fit those needs. There is not any one laptop that will fit every need of every individual.
I would say then the MBP is not the best tool, as it doesn't meet your requirements.
Absolutely.
What I'm trying to say is that >16GB RAM in 2016 is not as inane a requirement as some posters are trying to make it sound.
Even a college senior in certain fields can easily benefit from a 32GB machine.
Perhaps, but it may be fairly niche as well (I don't know). I'm guessing that apple is leveraging the computer for the masses, but even so. Schiller has stated that they couldn't provide >16GB without significantly impacting battery performance.
Not really.
Not in 2017, with huge datasets everywhere and everybody and their dog taking classes in Data Science (tm).
There is a reason why 64GB options are commonplace on workstation-class laptops like Thinkpad P or HP Z series, and desktop workstations with up to 512GB are not unusual.
Probably.
Then again, it's for this very reason that when people complain about the MBP being "pro" only in name, they are probably onto something.
I feel the MBP is still a very, very good solid high end consumer effort, but no, it's no mobile workstation or proper "enterprise" machine.
Which I'm completely okay with, mind you, it's just that half this thread boils down to "Apple doesn't care about the pro market anymore" and/or "16 is not enough/is more than enough", so I wanted to offer a perspective
Other manufacturers have apparently squeezed a lot more in to their latest offerings. For example, the new X1 Carbon which has two USB3/TB3 ports and two USBA ports, not to mention HDMI, MicroSD, LTE, Kaby Lake and a WQUHD OLED touch screen.
I'm not saying its better than the 2016 MPB, just that its possible to phase new stuff in rather than make the total switch.
I'm not saying its better than the 2016 MPB, just that its possible to phase new stuff in rather than make the total switch.
The trick with Kaby Lake is native TB3 support.
Apple just decided to go with a custom TB3 chip and NOT expose any other ports.
Every additional port would have limited the PCIe lanes available for the TB3 controller.
This enabled Apple to say "Look! 4 TB3 ports are the future" and "We don't care about the quality of adapters!"
Both statements are a total joke.
As I mentioned earlier, with builtin Ethernet, HDMI and SD Card and also an USB Controller, Apple at least supported the hardware they built into the system.
Now, you have to cross your fingers and hope all adapters play nice and do not disturb PCIe bus timings.
That is the main issue I have with this new approach. Shifting responsibilities to third parties.
Apple just decided to go with a custom TB3 chip and NOT expose any other ports.
Every additional port would have limited the PCIe lanes available for the TB3 controller.
This enabled Apple to say "Look! 4 TB3 ports are the future" and "We don't care about the quality of adapters!"
Both statements are a total joke.
As I mentioned earlier, with builtin Ethernet, HDMI and SD Card and also an USB Controller, Apple at least supported the hardware they built into the system.
Now, you have to cross your fingers and hope all adapters play nice and do not disturb PCIe bus timings.
That is the main issue I have with this new approach. Shifting responsibilities to third parties.