Exactly! Well said. There is ALWAYS something to tweak or fix or improve or maintain on my Windows machines and I confess that I go looking for trouble too. I'm always in the BIOS or the registry or trying to make this software talk to that device or whatever. It's great fun, but I can spend all day and not get much done besides having a good time. I'm thinkin' that with a Mac I'll be more productive and less engaged with the machine itself. The fun will be in the things I can do with the machine and not with making the machine sing.
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Exactly! Well said. There is ALWAYS something to tweak or fix or improve or maintain on my Windows machines and I confess that I go looking for trouble too. I'm always in the BIOS or the registry or trying to make this software talk to that device or whatever. It's great fun, but I can spend all day and not get much done besides having a good time. I'm thinkin' that with a Mac I'll be more productive and less engaged with the machine itself. The fun will be in the things I can do with the machine and not with making the machine sing.
And I forgot to mention overclocking. Great fun, but I can't tell you how many times I've had to open up the case and reset jumpers to make the machine start in the factory default mode after I pushed it too far. Hmmm, maybe I should stick with Windows because that really is fun. Getting a 2.4 GHz computer to run cool and stable at 4.0 GHz can make your day.
I have not used a windows machine for a while, nor do I keep up with the releases, so I know little in regards to how often they err nowadays. A friend of mine recently got a horrible case of blue screen. Couldn't restore, nothing. Would crash before anything.
The reviews may not be five stars, but looking at the negatives they list for the Pro, it's quite simple to see that someone else's negative may mean nothing to you. Lack of ports? As a buyer, you should be damn aware of this fact anyway and what your needs are. Touch bar a gimmick? Maybe ... but it doesn't bite. It doesn't take anything away. In fact, it is the future of Apple laptops. Hefty price tag? Sure, but you know this in advance. Keyboard? I have no issues with it. In fact, I type faster on it. Give it time. No 32GB ram option? Uhm ... whatever.
Out of all of those, the price tag and the ports is the biggest issue. Each his own.
I've had mine for only a week, but so far, battery life has been perfect. I have zero defects. I know others don't, and I don't know why its that way. Its certainly a misstep on Apple's part, but, I don't know, I think you are more likely to have a good machine than a bad one. The people will faulty machine are more likely to come here than the ones with good.
And I also have an iMac. A few things go wrong here and there, as they do, a few buggs, but I've had it for a year now and nothing bad has happened that couldn't be fixed with a simple restart.
If the price tag and ports aren't a major issue, I do recommend the 2016 model over the 2015. The space grey model. Dunno, it somewhat feels more futuristic than the silver one. I'll have my machine for a least the next five years, and its a damn fine machine to have.
The reviews may not be five stars, but looking at the negatives they list for the Pro, it's quite simple to see that someone else's negative may mean nothing to you. Lack of ports? As a buyer, you should be damn aware of this fact anyway and what your needs are. Touch bar a gimmick? Maybe ... but it doesn't bite. It doesn't take anything away. In fact, it is the future of Apple laptops. Hefty price tag? Sure, but you know this in advance. Keyboard? I have no issues with it. In fact, I type faster on it. Give it time. No 32GB ram option? Uhm ... whatever.
Out of all of those, the price tag and the ports is the biggest issue. Each his own.
I've had mine for only a week, but so far, battery life has been perfect. I have zero defects. I know others don't, and I don't know why its that way. Its certainly a misstep on Apple's part, but, I don't know, I think you are more likely to have a good machine than a bad one. The people will faulty machine are more likely to come here than the ones with good.
And I also have an iMac. A few things go wrong here and there, as they do, a few buggs, but I've had it for a year now and nothing bad has happened that couldn't be fixed with a simple restart.
If the price tag and ports aren't a major issue, I do recommend the 2016 model over the 2015. The space grey model. Dunno, it somewhat feels more futuristic than the silver one. I'll have my machine for a least the next five years, and its a damn fine machine to have.
That is why I cannot give up windows . My windows gaming rig is running at 4.8GHZ stable under water . Love macs, but watercooling a PC and OCing is still fun for me
See I do not understand the price point.
You get Thunderbolt 3 ports, 4 of them.
You get a brighter monitor
You get a wider color gamut display
You get 3 GB/s SSD
You get a touch bar
I guess none of that qualifies for a price increase?
And, when the battery is working properly, you get very good battery life. The battery life isn't a big issue with me as I am used to my 2013 rMBP only lasting 45 minutes when working in Final Cut Pro.
People always forget that you get an office suite for free (regardless if you like it or not, it is still a product that is free and it is VERY GOOD IMO). I find Final Cut Pro X a steal of a price compared to Adobe Premiere Pro. And for what I do, FCPX has a much better workflow.
People also seem to forget that you get Garageband for free (regardless if you like it or not, it is still a product for free). I also find Logic Pro X a steal of a price compared to some Windows alternatives.
With Apple, it is more than just the hardware with regards to the price. I think people fail to look at that when they complain about the price.
I specced out a 2016 Macbook Pro. It costs the same as my 2013 rMBP was when I got it in 2013. I did not get the best processor upgrade, and I did not get 2TB of storage.
A 2TB 3GB/s SSD has got to be EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE! Especially when a 2TB 850 Pro standard SSD 550MB/s costs $849.
1TB HD vs 2TB HD 'twice faster ssd'
R9 M370X 2GB vs 4GB AMD460
i7 2.8GHz 6MB L3 vs i7 2.9GHz 8MB L3
Thunderbolt 2 vs Thunderbolt 3
16 GB 1600Mhz RAM vs 16GB 2133 Mhz RAM
Brighter and more color accurate P3 IPS Display
TouchBar
TouchID
Bigger Trackpad+Force Touch
Better keyboard background lights
lol downgrade? Looks not like an downgrade to me!
If this upgrade does worth for you? Well thats another question and an individual situation based on your usage. But it's definitely an upgrade!
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Hello OP,
Each iterations of mbp had criticism and some negativity. Lots of passionate people, lots of fanboys, lots of people working with those machines.
That's expected, and with Apple being often cheap bastards one way or another (worst cd/dvdb combo, staying on USB2 for 2.5 years, amount of RAM with base machine etc etc) while making the highest margins in the industry, it's also deserved.
However, when it comes to this iteration, there are way more unhappy people, and being one of them (I'm using Mac exclusively for work since 2006) I can tell you this iteration is awful.
I mean it's pretty, but that's about it.
Bad battery, bad keyboard, old cpus ( would have been ok if released last year ), no magsafe, can't connect your latest iPhone, regular screen ( no 4k, OLED or anything impressive really), even higher price, base ram is 8GB, need for adapters and looking stupid and cumbersome for the next 3 years, touch bar seems or is gimmicky, the USB-C idiocy (I mean the fact it's only that, for no good reasons), the TB3 bandwidth being less on one side, and even more.
It's a terrible machine for its price absolutely not worthy of the competition, the only reason to get it is macOS.
No one would use it to run Windows, when you have better and (much) cheaper machines.
If I had to pay for it with my own money, I would have gone for a Linux / Windows combo.
Each iterations of mbp had criticism and some negativity. Lots of passionate people, lots of fanboys, lots of people working with those machines.
That's expected, and with Apple being often cheap bastards one way or another (worst cd/dvdb combo, staying on USB2 for 2.5 years, amount of RAM with base machine etc etc) while making the highest margins in the industry, it's also deserved.
However, when it comes to this iteration, there are way more unhappy people, and being one of them (I'm using Mac exclusively for work since 2006) I can tell you this iteration is awful.
I mean it's pretty, but that's about it.
Bad battery, bad keyboard, old cpus ( would have been ok if released last year ), no magsafe, can't connect your latest iPhone, regular screen ( no 4k, OLED or anything impressive really), even higher price, base ram is 8GB, need for adapters and looking stupid and cumbersome for the next 3 years, touch bar seems or is gimmicky, the USB-C idiocy (I mean the fact it's only that, for no good reasons), the TB3 bandwidth being less on one side, and even more.
It's a terrible machine for its price absolutely not worthy of the competition, the only reason to get it is macOS.
No one would use it to run Windows, when you have better and (much) cheaper machines.
If I had to pay for it with my own money, I would have gone for a Linux / Windows combo.
You don't like the 2016 because it doesn't work for you - that's pretty much it.
When you are comparing MacBook with a windows laptop and just saying that a friend of mine has a windows laptop and having horrible issues, it would be nice to know, whether you are talking about a cheap, budget price 500dollars/euros laptop or a laptop having the same price tag as MacBook...
I have been using windows from pc286 and still using it. Every high end laptops I have owned and used have worked fine without horrible issues that can't be or haven't been fixed. My current win-laptop is from 2012 (zenbook) and it still working as a day one I bought it. With every budget price laptops (around 500) I have used/owned, there have been some issues with them in a some point, e.g. with specific drivers or so and got more headaches from them but usually you have found a solution (e.g. better drivers). But now we are talking about computers at minimum price.
There is no "MacBook" and "windows laptop" - there are several windows laptops from the bottom to the top. If you buy the cheapest one, don't expect it to work like a high end laptop. Budget priced laptops can work fine too, but usually has had more problems than high end laptops.
Next time you can tell a story of your friend who bought a high end MacBook and had horrible issues with a screen, keyboard, dgpu and blablablaaaa...
I have been using windows from pc286 and still using it. Every high end laptops I have owned and used have worked fine without horrible issues that can't be or haven't been fixed. My current win-laptop is from 2012 (zenbook) and it still working as a day one I bought it. With every budget price laptops (around 500) I have used/owned, there have been some issues with them in a some point, e.g. with specific drivers or so and got more headaches from them but usually you have found a solution (e.g. better drivers). But now we are talking about computers at minimum price.
There is no "MacBook" and "windows laptop" - there are several windows laptops from the bottom to the top. If you buy the cheapest one, don't expect it to work like a high end laptop. Budget priced laptops can work fine too, but usually has had more problems than high end laptops.
Next time you can tell a story of your friend who bought a high end MacBook and had horrible issues with a screen, keyboard, dgpu and blablablaaaa...
Can you please list the alternatives that are so much better, with no faults, as I can't find them. The closest I get to it is the Surface book or possibly the Dell XPS.
I have been using Macs for 20 years and this is what I think :
magsafe - don't care if it is gone. Never loved it and is a very minor thing to me.
USB C / Thunderbolt 3 - great upgrade. I don't use the ports but when I do I want the fastest. I have not connected my iPhone to my computer for over 2 years now I think, so not sure what the issue is.
CPU - best option available at the time.
Keyboard - way better than the previous models - love it.
Screen - super clear and great colour.
Ram - fast and 16gb is good for most people.
SSD - great speed updates
GPU - solid updates
Size and design - more portable than ever and great design
I really don't care for this negativity when the remainder of the world is not exactly ablaze with comparative hardware - it really isn't. I am not interested in buying any computer that is not well supported either so that cuts out a lot of manufacturers [have been burnt before by several big name companies].
So a list of these alternatives that are as powerful, light, extremely well made and well supported, would be fantastic.
powerful, light, extremely well built and well supported, include expensive and that is only macs .
To be fair, you described a MacBook , so you will not get an alternative. If you are willing to compromise on that list, there are alternatives .
My question would be, what do you need it for ? If you have a specific purpose people can list the best tool.
For instance , if you wanted to game, MacBook is very poor choice . If you just need a jack of all trades , excellent choice
Yada yada yada,
Bad Battery?
We have a lot of mixed reports here, good and bad ones.
This topic will always exist, and hits not only the new MacBook Pro.
They keep moaning about iPhone battery life, too.
No 4k? Well, I don't mind. The current resolution serves me very well.
Personally I would have no benefit yet by having 4k.
Accept it, there is a lot of happy people using the available resolution doing their work or having fun.
Bad Keyboard? Just your point of view, thats like saying the color red sucks, and then comes somebody else and say, no red is awesome, blue sucks. Personally I love the new keyboard more than the old spongy keyboard, and I code a lot.
USB-C idiocy, well MacBook Pro is future oriented. If you have a lot of legacy hardware, or are unwilling to invest in new hardware, or if adapters and docks isn't made for you. Just stay with the old hardware. Older laptop fits older hardware best. Newer laptop fits newer hardware best. Simple!
Price? Doesn't matter much, in most western countries "professionals" gets 100% of the money back over tax return. If you buy it as a hobbist with the last banknote you have in your pocket, well accept the price, or buy lower spec, or buy MacBook (non pro), or move on to Windows, Linux hardware. Buy something that doesn't hurt you.
Good that alternatives exist, they will always exist, and there is nothing bad about choosing something that fits your usage scenario better, or doesn't drive you to bankruptcy.
To me, all these MacBook moanings looks like people are in a psychological fight with themselves.
Or like somebody that is trying to handle his complete movement into a new house with a motorcycle.
This can work, but won't work very well.
Just buy the right tools for the right work and stop moaning.
Alternatives : Razer Stealth Blade (the new one) , Dell XPS 15, whatever Yoga one (the one with the OLED screen).
Rest of your post : Well, good for you if you like it. OP asks why so much negativity, I explain him why I'm negative. The fact you're happy with it doesn't change much to the situation
See answer above, if you're happy with it good for you. OP asks if the reaction is normal and why the negativity.
I'm giving my point of view because I am unhappy with it. The fact you're happy doesn't really bring anything to the table.
As a side note, you got it wrong for the battery, I'm not talking about the defects / malfunction / whatever is going on (although this is also bad).
I'm talking about the fact my maxed out 13" from 2013 holds better than my maxed out 13" 2016, which does a miserable 3h30 of my normal use (+1h30 sleep) to get emptied. Battery capacity is less, for the same power consumption in CPU / RAM / Screen, so yeah it won't last as long no matter what.
Again, if you're happy good for you. But OP asks why this reaction and I provide him with reasons to why this time there are more unhappy people than usual.
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Hey.
I was a long time PC user who grew up with a Mac II in the home and switched to Mac in 2002 because of the sheer superiority of the software, and switched back to PC in 2009 because of the sheer super^N^N^N^N^N the better value offered by the hardware.
May I ask why are you interested in Macs?
I mean, if you are looking for a mobile workstation a la Thinkpad P-series... the new MBP is probably not for you.
If you are looking for a pretty solid all-around if consumerish laptop with great design and a usable OS, why not.
I don't know, man.
You might be doing it wrong.
Also, have you considered installing Fedora or Debian or Windows 7?
Surely you mean Dell Latitude?
As in, the XPS is about in the same class as the new MBP: thin ultrabooks with consumer-ish features.
But... that's what you don't want, is it?
No, I don't think the new MBP is for you
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If fairness, if I was looking for that, I'd get a 13" HP - Kaby Lake CPU/GPU, better keyboard, touch screen, x360 is usable as a tablet, better ports, excellent trackpad similar to the previous MBP, very pretty, significantly cheaper.
yes this reaction is completely normal
whiners gonna whine
any time apple makes any kind of step forward people $#!+ their pants and say the world is coming to an end
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well now this is a rly silly statement
what graphic intensive trades is this machine bad for? i work with high end video & design all day and there's never been a better computer for it. my maxed out 27" imac has suddenly become a rly nice TV lol
the only graphics work i can think of that it's not good for (which is a desktop-only thing) is new 3D first-person game development (think Witcher 4 or a new Battlefield game). which obviously would never get done on an OSX device or a mobile device like a laptop anyway...
and again, there's hollywood level post-production effects, like if you're working on the rain treatments for the sequel to Pacific Rim or something, but that's not done on a mobile device or on OSX ...
and i guess you could argue it's not optimized for AFterEffects, but again, no one has ever done pro affereffects work on laptops. that's a desktop task. and honestly you could probably get away with doing it on this machine anyway
whiners gonna whine
any time apple makes any kind of step forward people $#!+ their pants and say the world is coming to an end
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well now this is a rly silly statement
what graphic intensive trades is this machine bad for? i work with high end video & design all day and there's never been a better computer for it. my maxed out 27" imac has suddenly become a rly nice TV lol
the only graphics work i can think of that it's not good for (which is a desktop-only thing) is new 3D first-person game development (think Witcher 4 or a new Battlefield game). which obviously would never get done on an OSX device or a mobile device like a laptop anyway...
and again, there's hollywood level post-production effects, like if you're working on the rain treatments for the sequel to Pacific Rim or something, but that's not done on a mobile device or on OSX ...
and i guess you could argue it's not optimized for AFterEffects, but again, no one has ever done pro affereffects work on laptops. that's a desktop task. and honestly you could probably get away with doing it on this machine anyway
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Gaming, I've heard, is bad on macs. You can't be a jack of all trades if you are majorly deficient in a major one.
Macbook PRO
PRO
A.K.A. not playing Overwatch.
Professional work. If they specced the machine for games, it would then suck for professional work.
Plus you said "bad for graphic trades" not "bad for teenagers pubstomping nubs". Graphic trades, which you blatantly do not have one of, otherwise you would know that's silly talk. this is the best computer ever made for graphic trades, hands down, no competition. The screen alone makes it better than anything else on the market aside from the 5k iMac with the same screen tech. And that thing can't be carried into a client presentation.
it's wild how many people on this forum think the only measure of professionalism is the framerates you get in a ****ing children's video game. if you started talking about first person shooters in most professional environments you'd start losing contracts and stop getting invited to meetings
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I'm an engineer who doesn't game. Why would a gtx 1080 hurt a pro workflow? Personally my workflow is limited most by the 16gb ram limit, come on its been 5 years!
Hilarious. Fully agree, and hilarious.
Overwatch is only good for, um, "fan art" anyway. (not sure if it's kosher to discuss h3ntai on here)
Um, what? Do you remember all the issues with the Surface Pro 4 when Skylake came out? Is that what you would have wanted instead of waiting a year?
I have no idea what is the damn obsession with processor generations. It is not like Kaby Lake offers 5,000% performance boost.
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At this time, the Skylakes in the Macbook Pros are better than the Kaby Lakes since there is no comparative version. This is what I find so funny about this whole situation. Who the hell cares if the Macbook Pro does not have Kaby Lake? There are NO PROCESSORS yet for it!
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Exactly. When is gaming considered a professional work? Yeah, maybe you are on Twitch and that is your job, but it is not in the same class as content creation.
For example, a $5,000 Quadro is almost JUST AS GOOD as a $1,000 Titan.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. There are some people that need a $5,000 Quadro instead of a GTX 1080.
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