My point is that if they are willing to do it with that, I would not put it past them to charge someone they have caught tethering..
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Is using MyFi stealing?
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My point is that if they are willing to do it with that, I would not put it past them to charge someone they have caught tethering..
I agree but I haven't heard any such cases, yet at least. Have you head of any?
Is being pregnant and going to an all you could eat buffet illegal? Your baby is essentially tethered to you, but you only paid for yourself even though its for unliimited food, one might argue that you eat way more than you normally would not be pregnant. So is the mom still a thief... or the ethics and morals arn't as set in stone as most you guys put it out to be?
its not wrong because ATT lies about giving us unlimited data
Im the type of person that would feel pretty guilty stealing, or having in my possession a stolen item, but I dont consider using mywi stealing, especially when you consider that ATT basically lies when they say they are giving us unlimited data plans...
1) Having a 20 mb limit on downloads from the app store is not unlimited data
2) Downgrading the video qaulity of youtube over the 3g network is not my idea of unlimited data
3) Having some apps on the ipad (i.e. the Gaurdian photo app) only able to function on wifi is not unlimited data...
Im the type of person that would feel pretty guilty stealing, or having in my possession a stolen item, but I dont consider using mywi stealing, especially when you consider that ATT basically lies when they say they are giving us unlimited data plans...
1) Having a 20 mb limit on downloads from the app store is not unlimited data
2) Downgrading the video qaulity of youtube over the 3g network is not my idea of unlimited data
3) Having some apps on the ipad (i.e. the Gaurdian photo app) only able to function on wifi is not unlimited data...
Well, using MyWi is probably dishonest. Now, not offering tethering, free or for a fee when others do, the annoying dropping calls, not having service in the middle of one of the most populated areas of the planet (when they say they do), offering an unlimited plan that it is limited, etc. makes At&t hardly honest.
Sometimes laws are useless when they are not in congruence with reality.
Sometimes laws are useless when they are not in congruence with reality.
jessica. you keep complaining about this supposed 5GB cap on your data usage, but do you have any evidence such a thing exists? Pretty sure it's a urban legend; certainly, it is not anywhere in the contract or TOS.
No one has any evidence, but love to argue it does exist. Most point to the other devices in their argument, when they quote the TOS. Anyway, this has been beaten to death in the forums.
There's no cap. Aggie has spoken.
No one has any evidence, but love to argue it does exist. Most point to the other devices in their argument, when they quote the TOS. Anyway, this has been beaten to death in the forums.
There's no cap. Aggie has spoken.
so is the risk near nill to use this app as much as you desire?
interesting article
http://www.cultofmac.com/guy-tests-unlimited-ipad-3g-data-plan-pumps-31gb-of-data-so-far/41607
I'm not complaining. Comprendo? You people act like I'm the first one to come up with the soft cap idea. Get over yourself.
Perhaps 'complaining' was a poor choice of words, but I've seen you quoting the cap as gospel all over this forum. The other day you even proclaimed that you paid for unlimited data with a 5 GB soft cap as if it were something written into your contract that you were entitled to. I just wondered if you had any evidence for its existence.
I also fail to see how anything I wrote implies that I need to 'get over' myself; is it your opinion that the mere act of questioning your 'facts' is proof of narcissism?
the unlimited iphone data plan from att does not have a cap. It is truly unlimited. Only the tethering plans have a cap. Also they cannot charge you for data used while tethering if you are caught. They can cancel your data plan and make you sign up for the correct one though. I used 30 gigs a month for 2 years while tethered with my windows smart phone and never had an issue. Simply don't go to sites that you would never go to on your phone and they have nothing in place to flag you activity.
I personally don't consider it stealing as I am using no more data while tethered than I would be by using the phone. i am simply viewing it on a larger screen
I personally don't consider it stealing as I am using no more data while tethered than I would be by using the phone. i am simply viewing it on a larger screen
Not by any means. I didn't quote any contract stating the 5GB soft cap. I've simply regurgitated the same useless information spewed out around here. If you truly want to locate the origins of this "myth" then perhaps you need to look elsewhere. I was not the first to write such garbage and I assure you I will not be the last. A simple, albeit cluttered, Google search will fully support that this it is widely assumed that there is a 5 GB soft cap on the unlimited data plan. Surely you can agree with me there. I'm real quick to admit fault and error on my part, but I don't think jumping on the 5 GB soft cap bandwagon is at all a crime ... I think we've already established (or the jury in this thread has) that I am a criminal.
This is correct.
NY, and please do not state, instead please cite which section of the criminal statute to which you refer.
You can violate your TOS till the cows come home. It is certainly not "stealing". It's your hardware to do what you want with. I know that seems weird in the twilight zone that Jobs has created over his paywall garden, but don't worry - you are completely innocent
. On this subject, there were threads here recently complaining about posts regarding iPad jailbreaking - saying that it was basically carried out by people aiming to run pirated apps. That's an insult to anyone who wants to use their hardware as they see fit and install apps that rely on a "jail broken" OS. Maybe we should do some revisionism and reclassify "jail breakers" as "freedom fighters". The only jail is in your mind. If you pay for it, it is yours.
Most definitely stealing. A the very least you are stealing bandwidth/service. I don't care how you rationalize it (though it's the same lame excuses of "I pay too much", etc.). It's the same as anything else that people steal. It's just easier to do because it's not tangible. In ATT&T terms:
Smartphone/BlackBerry Plans: Smartphone/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices, and smartphones for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). Data Services sold for use with AT&T RIM BlackBerry devices, and smartphones may not be used with other devices, including but not limited to, Personal Computers, PC Data Cards and the like, either by tethering devices together, by SIM card transfer or any other means.
Smartphone/BlackBerry Plans: Smartphone/BlackBerry plans may ONLY be used with AT&T-certified RIM BlackBerry devices, and smartphones for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). Data Services sold for use with AT&T RIM BlackBerry devices, and smartphones may not be used with other devices, including but not limited to, Personal Computers, PC Data Cards and the like, either by tethering devices together, by SIM card transfer or any other means.
and what is the legal penalty for this? Personally what you posted doesn't affect me as I'm not in the US and use MyWi for my own nefarious uses, but I'd like to know exactly what it is I'm stealing and what constitutional law I'm breaking. If I'm "most definitely stealing" then please provide evidence.
Most definitely not stealing. It's a TOS violation. Stealing is a crime, punishable by means of law. Violating a TOS is a civil matter, theybcan terminate your service, or sue you for breach on contract.
This is becoming quite redundant. We got it. There are people who believe it's stealing and those who don't. This will not solve anything. It falls right in the lines of pro-choice or pro-life. Democrat or Republican. Yankees or Red Sox. Empire or Rebel Alliance. You're not going to convince anyone here by stating points using anger, insults, or even "facts" provided by sweet cut and paste programs. Let's just let it be and find more ways to enjoy our phones. That's why we're all here right?
BTW Go Yanks!
BTW Go Yanks!
I personally don't see any anger or insults being thrown around here. Just reasoned responses to the OP's question. Isn't that what forum threads are all about?
ok, fair point - but asking whether using wifi access point software can be considered stealing is a sort of ethical question
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