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Not that anyone is likely to be prosecuted, but violating AT&T's iPhone data services contract is not just a breach of contract that can be the subject of unilateral action by A&T (like bricking the phone) and of a civil suit. In every state there is a "theft of services" statute that, unsurprisingly, makes stealing $30 worth of bandwidth from AT&T a crime equivalent to shoplifting a $30 item from a store. And just as no judge would even consider an argument that the shoplifting was justified because in Europe they give away the item for free with another purchase, or that the store makes lots of money, or that the store charges too much for what it sells, or that the defendant is just unusually resourceful, no judge will listen to similar excuses for stealing bandwidth. Every seller has the right to define what he will furnish for what consideration, and every buyer has the right to accept or reject those terms. But once the terms are accepted, even in a store, a contract is formed that defines the exchange. If the buyer takes something from the store that is not authorized by the contract, the buyer becomes a thief.

I already raised my son, so I'm not here to preach morality, ethics, or even enlightened self-interest to anyone, but the OP asked whether jailbreaking and using MyWi was stealing. Stealing is both a civil wrong and a crime, and on both counts, as far as AT&T's bandwidth is concerned, the answer to his question is "yes".

Whether anyone's actions are, or ought to be, affected by this fact is another question entirely.
 
Oh boo freaking hoo at the "your using more bandwidth that's stealing." Bandwidth comes from machines, thoughtless and emotionless boxes that do nothing but process and distribute data. The fact your taking your "unlimited" access and re-routing it to another device is not stealing it's called resourceful-ness. That's just like me using my palm per plus from Verizon and using mobile hotspot app on the device. I pay $15 bucks a month for my agent data plan and they don't seem to have problem with me routing my bandwidth to 5 devices.

One has to admire the resourcefulness of AT&T to write into its iPhone contract a clause forbidding the "re-routing" of its bandwidth to any other device, which makes doing such a thing stealing.
 
I see stealing as taking something that is not yours. In this case since ther is no tangible item I see stealing as cheating the company out of money it would otherwise be making. Since there is no way to legitimately pay for the tether I don't see where it is stealing.

U hook up to ur neighbors cable you are cheating the cable company out of money that you normally be paying to get that service. If I call AT&T and say "I wanna do what's right and pay you for the tethering I do on my iPhone" they r gonna say sorry there is no way it does nrot exist.
 
I like stealing. :)

But this ain't stealing. It's sharing with another one of your devices. Without the permission of AT&T. It's your paid unlimited goddamn connection and you can do with it whatever you want.

Ok, maybe it is stealing, I don't know. :eek: But it's ok to steal from AT&T because nobody likes them, right. ;) You criminals!
 
I see stealing as taking something that is not yours. In this case since ther is no tangible item I see stealing as cheating the company out of money it would otherwise be making. Since there is no way to legitimately pay for the tether I don't see where it is stealing.

U hook up to ur neighbors cable you are cheating the cable company out of money that you normally be paying to get that service. If I call AT&T and say "I wanna do what's right and pay you for the tethering I do on my iPhone" they r gonna say sorry there is no way it does nrot exist.

AT&T presumably believes that if it permits bandwidth purchased for an iPhone to be used to serve an iPod, it is less likely to be able to charge for bandwidth for the iPod. From this point of view, the violator of its terms of service is cheating AT&T out of the additional revenue it believes it may have generated by selling him an iPad 3G data contract.

In any event, it is not for anyone but AT&T to decide whether it choses to sell the public its bandwidth on a per device or per person basis. AT&T chose to restrict the ISP services it provides to iPhone owners to a single device, and every owner accepts and is bound by those terms. The fact that the user subsequently finds it convenient, economical, and technically feasible to use the bandwidth he purchased for the iPhone for the benefit of some other device doesn't change the contract. AT&T is not required to offer tethering, so it may reject an offer to pay for it. If the user "tethers" illegally, AT&T's refusal to accept payment does not excuse either the breach of contract or the crime.
 
You know, this thread has gotten a bit out of hand. Bottom line is that AT&T doesn't allow tethering. Those that tether are in violation of their agreement. Whether or not that is "stealing" depends on where your moral compass lies. The exception in my opinion would be excessive use of bandwidth. I.e. If through tethering, you use up more bandwidth than you would use on you iPhone alone, then one could argue that the extra network burden results in tangible expense to AT&T.

I would tend to think it more as stealing IF AT&T allowed tethering for a fee and MyWi bypassed the fee.

Bottom line though, it is absolutely clear that Anyone tethering violates their terms of service. The definition of stealing is a personal one.
 
How quickly we forget RIAA v. Tenenbaum...only cost him $675,000 for stealing 31 songs via Kazaa...oops!
 
Too many straight laced ******* in here. Its a darn cell phone and you're using the data on a laptop or ipad, who gives a flying fu*k. if ATT was so hard up, they would terminate everybody immediately for TOS violation. They won't do it, and if they do, there are other carriers out there. Grow a set of balls people, there are too many other "REAL" concerns in life.
 
Bottom line though, it is absolutely clear that Anyone tethering violates their terms of service. The definition of stealing is a personal one.

Whether or not you should steal may be a personal decision, but whether or not tethering is stealing is a legal decision. If you're sued by ATT or prosecuted by the D.A., no one is going to care about your personal opinion.
 
Whether or not you should steal may be a personal decision, but whether or not tethering is stealing is a legal decision. If you're sued by ATT or prosecuted by the D.A., no one is going to care about your personal opinion.

Clearly we will never see a DA or criminal charges for the use of tethering on an iPhone unlimited data account.

And as to whether AT&T would ever bother to sue anyone, more likely they would charge for tethering data and/or add a piggyback tethering fee or just close our accounts (which I also see as unlikely since some time ago AT&T advised they were considering incorporating tethering into iPhone accounts).

I see this as similar to a teacher buying or renting a DVD (only for personal use) then showing the DVD to students in classroom. Clearly a licensing violation, enforceable ? Never gonna happen.
 
Second your ATT contract has a section that clearly states data may not be consumed by unauthorized apps. The fact you pay for 'unlimited' data does not nullify this term of the contract. Using MyWi to consume ATT's network resources is stealing.

I can't believe this thread has 5 pages!

Is it against TOS? Yes.
Does JB void your warranty? Yes.
Is it illegal? No.

Simple as that.
 
I can't believe this thread has 5 pages!

Is it against TOS? Yes.
Does JB void your warranty? Yes.
Is it illegal? No.

Simple as that.

And you are simply wrong. Pick a state, any state, and I'll be happy to paste the criminal statute that makes it illegal.
 
does it really matter? Geez!!!!!! We all have an OPINION on the matter.
Is anyone really going to change their opinion on this just by reading this forum. Hell, they would be lucky if they are not asleep by page 2.

if you think it is wrong dont do it. if you dont and want to, do it. but there is nothing that anyone here can say that is going to give anyone a firm answer on the matter or go "I'm completely wrong and he is totally right" so therefore it is moot.
 
screw at&t, $30 a month for unlimited data is what i pay for. so if i wanna surf the web on my iphone or my mbp it shouldnt matter, im paying for it either way. i feel sorry for people that arent jailbroken and have to wait for at&t to deliver their promises to their customers (mms, tethering..)
 
I just wanted to bring up something real quick. Some people keep saying ATT does not allow tethering. They actually do with other phones such as the Blackberry. I can pay 30$ a month for a personal data package for the blackberry, or add another 20$ to that for tethering up to 5GB of data per month.

So yes, you can tether, they just don't offer it with the iphone...yet. (And maybe they never will.)

Personally when do I use MyWi, last night when my internet service went out at my house for hours and I needed to use it for email and to look something up online and didn't want to view on a small screen (iPhone) I fired it up. I pay for the Internet anyways and they could not provide me the service at the time, so I used their 3G service instead. :p Wrong of me, I don't know. But they were not filling their end of the bargain at the time by not providing me with my DSL....so :D

Other than that, I honestly have no need for MyWi or tethering. I can pretty much always find a wifi network around that I can use, home, work, hotels, restaurants. They all have them.
 
Just talking semantics. Is the line between tethering blurred if I use my iPhone to download data that I intentionally plan to use on another device that never had access to the internet?

Why does it have to become a violation if an app like MyWi is used to make the transfer of data between devices as seamless as possible if the iPhone still is the source for sending and receiving data? I may be blowing smoke here, but if I purchased a song on my iPhone, which is download it, and then transfer to a computer with no internet, wouldn't that be sharing your connection, all be it in a roundabout way?

I'm not saying either way what is right or wrong, or the fact none of that might matter if you signed a contract.
 
Basically you could be on the hook for retro-active service fees and contract termination.

:eek:Ohhnoooesss... AT&T could h4xor your connection and blow up your iPhone. :eek:

F.U.D.

No proof ANYWHERE on the internet of anyone getting "caught" and "punished" doing this. I've heard of a 5GB limit in general, but haven't heard of anyone getting charged for going over the 5GB limit. It's a decent risk for the benefit of not paying $30 a month. I'm already giving AT&T $150 a month -- tethering SHOULD be included. I sleep soundly at night with my "free" tethering. (Though PdaNet costs like $30)

If AT&T decides to spend a ton of cash chasing down tethering rapists and throwing them into prison for checking facebook.. then I might change my mind.

The percentage of people using apps like PdaNet are sooooo small compared to the morons that can barely install iFart. Realize the jailbreaking is a pain the butt to most non-geeks.

Honestly, Starbucks has free wifi... The only time I use Pdanet is if I'm in a Denny's or Coco's with no Wifi.

We are just a small blip on the radar.
 
No proof ANYWHERE on the internet of anyone getting "caught" and "punished" doing this.

Plenty of people get caught and punished, it's usually in the form of overage charges, which they then complain about.


For those of you debating for and against, read your contracts, it says EXPLICITLY what you can and cannot do with your device and service. It will answer all your questions.
 
Plenty of people get caught and punished, it's usually in the form of overage charges, which they then complain about.


For those of you debating for and against, read your contracts, it says EXPLICITLY what you can and cannot do with your device and service. It will answer all your questions.

I have yet to read a single report of someone getting charged overages or kicked off for tethering with their iphone:cool:
 
:eek:Ohhnoooesss... AT&T could h4xor your connection and blow up your iPhone. :eek:

F.U.D.

No proof ANYWHERE on the internet of anyone getting "caught" and "punished" doing this. I've heard of a 5GB limit in general, but haven't heard of anyone getting charged for going over the 5GB limit. It's a decent risk for the benefit of not paying $30 a month. I'm already giving AT&T $150 a month -- tethering SHOULD be included. I sleep soundly at night with my "free" tethering. (Though PdaNet costs like $30)

If AT&T decides to spend a ton of cash chasing down tethering rapists and throwing them into prison for checking facebook.. then I might change my mind.

The percentage of people using apps like PdaNet are sooooo small compared to the morons that can barely install iFart. Realize the jailbreaking is a pain the butt to most non-geeks.

Honestly, Starbucks has free wifi... The only time I use Pdanet is if I'm in a Denny's or Coco's with no Wifi.

We are just a small blip on the radar.

they do charge if you go over that 5GB cap. I know, I got the bill to prove it.

It was last summer I got a att 3G usb Modem for my home internet since I live in the boonies and Sattelite internet was the only option.


I bought it on a monday and the billing month ended on thursday. So i had for days i had to pay a partial month for. Well, they neglected to tell me that along with the prorated charge for the month also came prorated data allowance. To the tune of 300Mb for the 4 days. well, I went over that by about 800MB and they charged me $0.42 for every MB over I used. my first bill was roughly $600 and some change. I fought it of course and was successful, but if I had just taken it they would have gladly accepted the check.
 
they do charge if you go over that 5GB cap. I know, I got the bill to prove it.

It was last summer I got a att 3G usb Modem for my home internet since I live in the boonies and Sattelite internet was the only option.

Once again.....a dedicated 3G usb modem != iphone

Your modem's data plan explicitly says 5 gigs so of course you were charged overages

As I had said, I have yet to hear of anyone getting overages or kicked off ATT for tethering with their iphone
 
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