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Yea, that kinda tipped the scale for me. Just ordered a discounted 2020 12.9 iPP on Amazon and aren't looking back for now. When Apple decides to create the kind of software and user experience that actually take advantage of this new beast of a device, happy to trade it in for a new one. Until then, I just need an update to my 10.5" Pro.
 
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However the prices and taxes you pay in those countries are astronomical.
Yep and they remind us every time a new product is launched/priced. Then a few months later they tell us how great everything is because it’s “free”. A never ending cycle.
 
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I stopped buying AppleCare a while back because my stuff just wasn't breaking out of warranty, and I wasn't accidentally damaging my stuff either. If I add up the amount of money I've saved by not buying AppleCare, it would probably pay for a couple of out of warranty repairs.

Basically, it's not really worth it unless you're careless with your stuff.
I agree. I've owned tons of Apple stuff and have never bought any kind of extended warranty from Apple. Never had anything break either. All that saved money in my pocket; it's a good feeling.
 
You can buy the latest model of a Sony 55” tv with latest chipset, Dolby atmos, etc OR you could pay for the repair of your iPad screen.

it’s a bummer apple overcharges for everything. AppleCare+ is nice because of their overcharging, such a racket.
 
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yeah… try that in a modern nation with a modicum of consumer rights. If it’s Apple’s fault that liability doesn’t end after 365 days.
Please tell that to the posters here that always whine about 21% taxes and Apple’s higher prices in countries that have these rights. Apple bakes those longer warranties into the price of their products. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.


Consumer protection laws need to wake up in the rest of the world as they have in Europe. You all should be getting 2 years default warranty and new electronics. End of story...

see above.

For example: I just paid $2177 shipped including tax for a 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 1tb cellular model here in California which is one of the higher taxed states. In France with the 2 year euro mandated warranty, you’re paying an equivalent $2596 after vat. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather pay the AppleCare and still be ahead of the consumer in France who still has to pay extra for the applecare on top of the higher price they already have to pay or have the CHOICE to not even buy the AppleCare in the first place.
 
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I’m not sure what it cost in other regions or countries, but here for the 12.9 iPad it was ¥18,840 (about US $179).

If I sit on it, drop it, let it sink in my bathtub, or even let it slide off the top of my car on the expressway at 120km/h, damages are covered. It cost ¥4400 (about US $42). If they only have to replace the display screen, that is one incident, if it’s bent or otherwise damaged beyond screen replacement, that is two incidents. If something happens more than screen replacement, they give you a new unit, or an equivalent new current same model unit. So that can happen only once a year since it counts as two incidents.
Interesting, now that you mention the 12.9” iPad Pro and screen replacement, because as far as I know, the screen is laminated and it is impossible to repair only the screen. AFAI, the only way to go is the replacement of the entire device.
 
In my experience, the only failures I have had have been manufacturing defects that were covered out of warranty.

I have owned a
IIsi
IIvx
Quadra 840
PB 1400cs
iMac 266
iMac 333
iBook blue
iBook gray
iBook G4 14”
PowerMac G4
iMac core2Extreme
MBP 15”
MBP 13”
MBP 15” unibody (2012)

Only repairs were defects: replaced bulging batteries in a couple laptops and video card problems in the iBook G4. After the second video problem, they gave me a new “refurb” on a 3 yr old iBook G4 with the video corruption issue. And I opened, upgraded, modified and even overclocked (with solder) most of these machines.

The mobile devices have also been relatively trouble free, though the iPhone 6S was problematic. My original series watch had a bulging battery and was replaced well out of warranty. The replacement is still going strong as my sleep watch.
Yes…but after the end of old Apple (2012) you see more need for apple care…
And yet that’s when I stopped buying AppleCare because it hadn’t been worth it.

I used to buy a refurb+ACare for the same price as new elsewhere but I don’t believe I did that with the 2012 MBP 15” and 8 years later still no problems. Lots of watches and iphones and iPads since then and any out of warranty repairs covered by various battery programs.
 
It's not a matter of confidence. It's simply because Apple would need to raise their prices some to cover that additional year, and determined keeping the warranty at 12 months and current prices made more sense.
If the products are as premium and well built and designed as Apple always claim, then nothing will go wrong, so no additional risk. Charging 20% of the purchase price for AC+, e.g. working on the premise that 1 in 5 products [for those who spent on AC+, more like 1 in 3] is going to fail, really either tells you they have no confidence or alternately are fleecing to a high order. Put it this way, BMW charge less for an additional 2 years of warranty [after providing 3 years] than a replacement screen for an iPad Pro!
 
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It’s definitely worth it on macs. They break a lot out of warranty. Usually there ends up being a repair program, but I always seem to have to get my repairs before Apple realizes they have a design flaw.
Really? I've had several MacBook Pros, a couple iMacs, and a Mac mini. Of all, the only one that is currently broken had a couch set on it and dropped twice. Neither of those incidents broke it. About 7 years out of warranty the logic board went out (perhaps as a result of years of beatings), but otherwise all devices have been rock solid, even performant enough to relegate to other operations after I upgraded. What types of Macs tend to break out of warranty and what is it going bad on them? It could be that I wait till new products have been on the market a while before upgrading, and miss the first-off-the-line versions. I've been eyeing the new Mac mini with M1, but may wait a while longer if they tend to break.

With decades of experience with PCs and Macs, often side-by-side, I went from being a die-hard PC person to only buying Macs. Over the long haul, they've cost me significantly less than PCs, and had much longer lifespans.
 
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What are you doing to your Apple products? I still have a PowerMac 7100/80av that boots like the day I bought it, along with my first iPhone from 2007, my first iPad, hell even my 1984 mac I keep in the closet will boot up still.
My SE/30 might be favorite Mac ever and it still runs fine. AppleCare was not a bad idea for macbooks when they had moving parts, but it’s not worth it now that everything is solid state. In the past 10 years I have had to replace a motherboard and an iPhone both for water damage, and even with those big repairs I’m far better off having skipped AppleCare on everything.

I would advise getting AppleCare on a college student’s laptop, as they get bounced around in backpacks, opened, and closed so many times issues are much more likely.
 
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If the products are as premium and well built and designed as Apple always claim, then nothing will go wrong, so no additional risk. Charging 20% of the purchase price for AC+, e.g. working on the premise that 1 in 5 products [for those who spent on AC+, more like 1 in 3] is going to fail, really either tells you they have no confidence or alternately are fleecing to a high order. Put it this way, BMW charge less for an additional 2 years of warranty [after providing 3 years] than a replacement screen for an iPad Pro!

It's not a matter of products being "premium" and well-built or not. Or what BMW charges for additional coverage relative to a replacement screen for an iPad Pro. The cost of predicted warranty repairs is always factored into the purchase price.

Want a two year Apple warranty? No problem - simply increase the price of the item a little to reflect the same desired GPM after the small number of predicted extra warranty service claims are accounted for. GPM (and similarly, NPM) is always the bottom line.
 
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Yea, that kinda tipped the scale for me. Just ordered a discounted 2020 12.9 iPP on Amazon and aren't looking back for now. When Apple decides to create the kind of software and user experience that actually take advantage of this new beast of a device, happy to trade it in for a new one. Until then, I just need an update to my 10.5" Pro.
Interestingly, by the time most people's 2021 12.9 IPP ships, we will know what the new software user experience will be (will be just a few days before or after WWDC when people receive them).

I'm pretty sure they didn't go M1 for nothing, which would just about be the case if we don't get Apple's Pro apps and some allowances for things like virtualization.
 
Non-sense.

The RAM I put in my 2010 15” MBP had a LIFETIME warranty. My 512 GB SSD from Samsung had a 5 YEAR warranty.

It doesn’t matter if you put the RAM or SSD in a laptop or desktop, you get the full warranty.
I have no idea why you wrote any of that. It had zero to do with what I said. Zero.
 
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The title is misleading. iPads are not repaired at Apple, they’re replaced with a new iPad.

You people do nothing but criticize this company yet are the first ones on the online store waiting to add to your cart with all this new sh*t.
 
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I have bought Apple products since 1984 and never paid for an extended warranty/Applecare+. Think of the money I have saved over those years on all the products that never broke outside the 1 year warranty (spoiler alert, only had one Apple product break over that time) I can apply some of that saved money towards anything that breaks. Not to mention the money saved from every other product I have turned down an extended warranty for over my life that didn't break. I must be up thousands so far.
I've found AppleCare+ to be helpful with iPhones. Drops, even with cases, have resulted in cracked cameras (if you break one on the back, they have to replace the whole phone if it was the XS Max model), screens, etc.
 
OK, you just sort of negated your point that you need AppleCare by saying they were repaired for free out of AppleCare.
I don't think he said what you think he said.

His first statement was "I'm doing nothing." It wasn't "I buy AppleCare" or "one needs AppleCare."

He then talked about Apple screws up being replaced for free OR with AppleCare.
 
Please tell that to the posters here that always whine about 21% taxes and Apple’s higher prices in countries that have these rights. Apple bakes those longer warranties into the price of their products. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.




see above.

For example: I just paid $2177 shipped including tax for a 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 1tb cellular model here in California which is one of the higher taxed states. In France with the 2 year euro mandated warranty, you’re paying an equivalent $2596 after vat. I don’t know about you, but I’d rather pay the AppleCare and still be ahead of the consumer in France who still has to pay extra for the applecare on top of the higher price they already have to pay or have the CHOICE to not even buy the AppleCare in the first place.

If you want to compare two political systems and their tax strategy, you may want to go beyond the sole published price of the iPad Pro.
 
Pretty much standard across all industries to charge stupid prices for repairs. My $250 Samsung washing machine required a board change due to a faulty relay.

The cost: $120 +labour ! ..... and changing the relay (simple repair under normal circumstances) was not possible as the board was filled up to the brim with silicone !

Right but how much profit is in a $250 washing machine? The part costs are the part costs. There probably isnt a ton of profit in that item; not the same as these i-devices even.

But if you think for a second an iPad screen costs $699 then LOLOL. If they want to charge the TRUE parts cost and labor great. That should MAYBE be $250 on the high end.

It's the same utter BS that Apple charged $329 for a Max phone screen but the part costs them $67 per bill of material supply chain data. Even if it cost $100 to pay an employee and some profit/machinery recoup cost, it should be almost HALF what they charge.

If the proportion is even close, the display on the iPad, even mini-LED can't cost more than $150 part cost.

But they charge $699 for ANY damage, screen damage or otherwise.

Imagine if whether you brought your car to the dealership for a window switch or a new infotainment head unit it was $1000 flat.

The way they do it makes no sense. Selling you a refurb for more than an iPad Air is NOT repair. And not when no one else but Apple can do it. You could call your local repairman to do it and get the part. Totally different as well.
 
Interestingly, by the time most people's 2021 12.9 IPP ships, we will know what the new software user experience will be (will be just a few days before or after WWDC when people receive them).

I'm pretty sure they didn't go M1 for nothing, which would just about be the case if we don't get Apple's Pro apps and some allowances for things like virtualization.
Sure, we will know it but we most likely won't be able to use it until iOS 15 goes public (maybe even wait for a .1 update or two for good measure and for all features to go live). That's in several months from now. I'm not saying that to dissuade anyone (and who cares about what I say anyway), but I don't buy devices with the promise of what they could do in the future. Plus, I needed that larger iPP in a shorter notice than Apple's shipping estimate, and 12% off on Amazon was pretty compelling.

I'm also pretty sure they didn't just put the M1 in there to flex but I'm getting more and more reservations the more I thought about that announcement. It feels jarring and distasteful compared to past Apple to keep bragging about specs for the sake of specs without the updated experience/ value prop to go along with it. The whole point was that the experience was so good and so seamless you didn't really care about the specs. And already since the 2018 iPP the hardware was fully maxed out and bottlenecked by iPadOS. Nobody ever complained the iPP is not strong enough. The UX itself is okay but hasn't broken new ground and still so many details go unnoticed e.g. why can't I use my pencil to go home or invoke control center? How can I still use more than one windows of the same app when I want to e.g. synthesise content? Why is file support still so stilted?

Using a desktop class CPU on a tablet is SUPER intriguing for sure but file management, workflows and multitasking still aren't nearly desktop class. Also, didn't Greg Joswiak recently remind us there are no plans for merging Mac and iPad? –which I still don't get why since it's advertised as "your next computer without being a computer" for years already. I'm super curious what is Apple's vision for this über-tablet compared to the M1 MacBooks next WWDC now that they use the same SOC. If it is the ergonomics/posture nightmare of a zoomer hunching over their magic keyboard while the XDR mega monitor is sitting right next to her on a totally different eye level, that's just marketing. And maybe I'm the only one who thinks so, but sharing this vision and experience is way more important than Tim Cook's mission impossible skit and should have already been part of the show.
 
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Old tactic to raise cost of repair to cause fear and force suckers into extended warranty subscriptions. One year factory warranty covers infant mortality and beyond that you have class action lawsuits for design for obsolescence such as design flaws with keyboards, too short ribbon cable causing display backlight to go out from opening/closing laptop lid, etc.
 
While it's certainly possible for anyone to break an apple gadget which requires an eyepoppingly expensive repair, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would consistently break their gear year after year.
In the long run, when paying for insurance year after year after year after year, Apple insurance is a rip off. Nobody is going to break that much gear.
Spoken like a person without many small children running amok in the house....

Kidding, a bit--but seriously, people live and work in very different conditions. Some households and some jobs are much more likely to be accident-prone than others. For a guy working in an office, yeah--you may not need Applecare.

However, if you carry your iPad out into the field to update records on electrical utility towers and have to cart it up climbing spikes, it starts making a lot more sense that you are at greater risk of dropping the device.
 
The title is misleading. iPads are not repaired at Apple, they’re replaced with a new iPad.
Do they give a new one or a refurbished one? In the past, I was given a refurbished replacement from other companies. Luckily never have needed to get one from Apple yet.
 
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