Why doesn’t Apple just buy this company, take the patents, fire everybody including the jerk CEO and close it down?
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Yeah that would be a real PR win
Apple, just acquire Masimo already, this is embarrassing. You’ve already acqui-hired most of their engineers. Time to put the cherry on top and call it a sundae.
Masimo is on the verge of getting their multi-billion dollar product banned again. Apple is losing here. When are they planning to make it “go away”?
All this fighting over a feature that doesn't even work (at least for me—my measurements vary by +/- 10% one minute to the next). Hardly worth it.
The Simpsons did a good skit on that. It looks bad...
Oh also Masimo produce some good stuff that is used in hospitals etc. Don't want to pull the plug metaphorically on that. Looks really bad.
So... THe sensors are used in the medical field. Masimo isn't some accessory maker its a major medical device maker
This is ridiculous and completely wrong. Their most recent financial earnings report for one quarter stated they earned around $234M profit.
Thankfully the people who do use it don’t care about your experience using it the same way you don’t care about theirs.
Because that's still a win for Masimo, and signals to other companies that the road to success is to annoy Apple into buying them instead of making better products.
I think the poster you are criticising is right.
It's a low accuracy, low precision measurement. This is fine for casual indication but in circumstances where a medical decision might need to be made, it's probably not a great idea to rely on it.
My own data shows the sheer range of values and the outlying measurements.
Note that I'm in perfect health, can run 10km easy and climb up mountains (up to 5500m) on a regular basis and measure a consistent 98-100% on proper kit.
apple need to cut the cheque and get it over with
except masimo doesn't just make watches. they make stand alone medical equipment, including blood ox monitors.
Apple should just buy the ITC and patent the words 'Watch' 'Blood' and 'Oxygen'
I can't see any basis for the ban to remain in effect during the appeal process. The purpose of the stay on the ban is to prevent irreparable harm while the appeals process is ongoing. Considering Apple loses about $500 million dollars a week while the ban is in effect, that is beyond the definition of irreparable harm. Soon enough the ban will be back in effect when the appeals process is finished.
They already stole the core technology, there is nothing left for them to buy.
Yeah and this is what everyone's looks like, but that's not the point. The fact that it occasionally gets bad readings is irrelevant. It won't get consistently bad readings if you are checking it manually, multiple times. If you are concerned with a health issue, that's exactly what you're going to be doing. It works well enough to be used as indicator when used that way, or by looking at trends.
Don't kid yourself. Apple is in total control of the situation. They accepted the ban because they intended to appeal, and were confident that a stay on the ban would be granted during the appeals process (and they were right). This process can drag on, and meanwhile Apple Watch is available for purchase. While this process drags on, Apple is working behind the scenes to make software changes to evade the ban.
Apple can afford to let this drag on, Masimo cannot. There will be a breaking point somewhere, and this will be all over and forgotten with. Masimo’s main business is making pulse oximeters, of which there are thousands of cheap Chinese no-name brands in the market at various retailers and even grocery stores. Masimo’s market cap is around 6 billion. Apple is around 2.9 trillion. This is literally like an ant going against a mountain, and is more noise than actual substance.
Because Apple is now a massive company and is an easy poster child for knocking American capitalism, it is expected that soundbite idiot politicians and government bureaucrats will be all over this, while smaller and irrelevant tech “competitors“ will fan the flames to get their shots in for PR. There’s a reason why the green bubble / blue bubble debate is en vogue now, and the EU investigation into Apple is, and the potential US anti trust investigation, etc — it’s all related. Everyone wants to pile on.
When you’re the biggest and most popular kid on the block, everyone wants to take you down. Apple is going to still remain a Godzilla player in tech, and to be frank, their products are significantly better than their nearest competitor. Apple is as big as it is because consumers love and purchase their products, and they stick with them for years, and continue to purchase their products for years in successive iterations, and their products have become literally part of daily life for the majority of consumers.
AirPods are everywhere in everyone’s ears. iPhone is basically the smartphone, iPads are ubiquitous and used in any industry you can think of, Macs are on every single college campus you walk on — lining the library and common areas by students. Apple Watch is basically the only smartwatch you see on people’s wrists. I can go on and on.
You don’t have to like Apple. But you would be delusional to not accept how ingrained their products are in our modern society en masse.
Apple will be OK.
Because Apple is now a massive company and is an easy poster child for knocking American capitalism, it is expected that soundbite idiot politicians and government bureaucrats will be all over this, while smaller and irrelevant tech “competitors“ will fan the flames to get their shots in for PR. There’s a reason why the green bubble / blue bubble debate is en vogue now, and the EU investigation into Apple is, and the potential US anti trust investigation, etc — it’s all related. Everyone wants to pile on.
When you’re the biggest and most popular kid on the block, everyone wants to take you down. Apple is going to still remain a Godzilla player in tech, and to be frank, their products are significantly better than their nearest competitor. Apple is as big as it is because consumers love and purchase their products, and they stick with them for years, and continue to purchase their products for years in successive iterations, and their products have become literally part of daily life for the majority of consumers.
AirPods are everywhere in everyone’s ears. iPhone is basically the smartphone, iPads are ubiquitous and used in any industry you can think of, Macs are on every single college campus you walk on — lining the library and common areas by students. Apple Watch is basically the only smartwatch you see on people’s wrists. I can go on and on.
You don’t have to like Apple. But you would be delusional to not accept how ingrained their products are in our modern society en masse.
Apple will be OK.
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The number of Masimo employees on this thread suggesting that Apple "just pay-up" is kinda embarrassing... Apple has already managed to get the vast majority of Masimo's patents invalidated -- it's just a matter of time before all Masimo's patents are invalidated.
My money's on Apple.
My money's on Apple.
cant. The company is a major medical device company. Not a patent troll. It is why the US government and ITC arent letting this slide. Apple Stole tech from a major medical company. ANd is refusing to negotiate with them.
Apple stole tech from a company who is NEEDED by the US medical field. And the medical fields of other countries. It would be better to label Massimo as a necessary company and apple as a consumer but non necessary company.
Thats the thing. MASIMO spent the money to develop this hardware and make it reliable and to the strict standards of the Medical Device requirements from the US gov. ITS NOT FAIR that apple is not PAYING up for the technology they basically stole. APPLE CAN PAY and is refusing to do so.