Miasiomo is NOT a watch company. They make medical instruments, things used in hospitals. They are not a small company at all. This is not about a competing watch. It is about the technology used to turn reflected light into a blood O2 saturation number.
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ITC Wants Apple Watch Sales Ban Reinstated: 'Apple Presents a Weak and Unconvincing Case'
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The next step is for Apple to settle, or buy Masimo and shut it down. I guess it will be whichever costs less.
Yup, why would the ITC say oops, we were dumb when we made our ruling…
Its generally hard to feel bad for a medical equipment company. File a bunch of questionable patents (evidence: most were tossed out), then make extremely high margin medical equipment. Use that high margin profit to defend your weak patents. Not saying apple is in the right, just the medical industry has a lot of bad issues with pricing due to questionable patent practiced
I have the O2 sensor complication on my infographic screen. I monitor blood ox while I sleep.
Doesn’t matter, Masimo owns the patent for the technology and they don’t have to sell or license the technology to Apple if the don’t want to. A patent can be for the fundamental technology independent of the application
If that’s the case, maybe Apple should drop the feature? I’m sure Tim is considering that option as preferable to paying a large royalty fee for each watch sold which probably would drive the starting price up to $500.
You forgot sell off the various divisions to other companies. It’s not just medical products they sell, they also own the Denon consumer audio brand and a few others.
Since it is only an approximation at best. Because it is so small the possibility of accuracy this not worth it.
They also own Bowers & Wilkins, Denon, Marantz, Polk Audio, Definitive Technology, Classé, HEOS, and Boston Acoustics so they have quite a footprint in the consumer audio space.
I know. I was just trying to shut down any arguments that they were a patent troll.
The timeline is more like this:
1. Apple and Massimo have some disputes unrelated to patents.
2. Masimo suffers from simmering rage and starts to look for ways to attack Apple.
3. Apple releases the Series 6 with pulse oximetry.
4. Immediately after release Masimo files a patent that looks just like the Apple Watch Series 6.
5. One year later the patent is granted and Massimo immediately sues Apple in the ITC court.
6. Apple is probably kicking themselves for not filing enough defensive patents.
7. Most of the clauses are struck down with Apple now having to defend against their own design stolen by Masimo for the 5 remaining clauses.
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Glad I shot my wallet by buying AW9 45mm Midnight Sport Loop which was on sale for $439 at Bestbuy several days before xmas.
Couldn't go out to either work or somewhere without it.
Couldn't go out to either work or somewhere without it.
No, they will change the watch design and do whatever they can to bury Masimo. This is personal for Apple.
It is all trivial patents. The patent was filed and granted after Apple already released the Series 6. It is possible Apple could get the patent revoked since they have prior art in the Series 6 itself.
I don’t know the legal side well enough but I think the ITC only looks at other patents as prior art, so to use the Series 6 as prior art Apple would need to fight in another court which could take years. Meanwhile the series 6 is banned by the ITC.
I think ultimately Apple will either partially disable sensors or change the design then file every defensive patent they can.
I am personally fatigued by this show. I’ll tune back in for the final episode to see how it ends.
Thanks for starting that timeline at “Apple makes watch” so we know not to take your post seriously.
Apple would rather increase the cost of every watch $5 than give $0.50 to Masimo. Not per watch - $0.50 total.
This is all made up Apple fanboy self soothing. Please ignore that nonsense and just take 5 minutes to read the actual information Macrumors uploaded here:
Apple might have to reach a settlement with Masimo! Otherwise future Apple watches may also be in trouble.
Wow that big post to show you know nothing about this case?
Masimo is 100% right on this one.
No they aren’t. They have shaky claims at best covered by prior art and other company inventions and research. No one has done all the legal fact finding completely yet and some of their claims have been nullified already. Ergo there is no outcome yet of right and wrong.
People who shout the loudest aren’t always right. They are the people you remember though. They are also usually the people who look stupidest when found out to be wrong.
