Anyone who has ever used someone else's computer, particularly those from a non-tech background, can confirm that no one keeps a file system tidy. I, and countless others, don't want to deal with this on a phone, and could do without it on a Mac. I want to open photoshop and see what files photoshop has saved, or open Pages and see what documents Pages has saved. I'll never need to open Pages documents in Photoshop, so why even have a regular file system that allows this?
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It's insulting that OSX is receiving iPhone features rather than the other way around
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Well, opening a Pages document in photoshop doesn't make sense, but for instance, you might want to have a photo in iPhoto, edit it with photoshop, then incorporate the photo into a web page using a web-editing program. The moment you want to interact with a file with multiple programs, the lack of a traditional file system in iOS becomes extremely clumsy. For instance, I have several apps on my iPad for reading ePub files, and depending on what I'm doing with the files, I sometimes want to read my books in one app or the other. And I end up with a copy of the book in each app! Be more efficient if all my ePub apps could just read the files off a regular file system. So I would never want my Mac to be limited in this way, and I seriously doubt Apple will ever completely get rid of the file system, because, as other people have pointed out, you need some way to write apps and programs, and you can't do that without having a file system. They may hide it deeper so non-technical people don't have to deal with it, maybe even make locked-down desktop systems with no file accesses for the end user, but there will always be "open" systems for programmers.
With the recent revelation that Apple sold more iOS devices in the past year than Macs in the past 30 years, I don't really expect the iOS paradigm to go anywhere.
Just my opinion, but I hate how lion was made to look like iOS. The ONE feature I like was how they adopted the iOS like ability to select different versions of a character by holding the key for a couple seconds.
I am using my MacBook less and less these days, as my iPhone and iPad get better. But when I go to my computer I don't want it to have those iOS like features. I don't this OSX is a difficult os to use at all. I find it to be easier than windows by a landslide. So for me there is no need to make it easier to use by importing iOS features. If they gave the iPad just a few tweaks to be more like OSX and threw in a USB port it could almost replace my MacBook. More than almost.
Yes I would like to see some OSX features sent to iOS. I really enjoy all my apple product so I won't complain too much. Considering the alternatives I think lion is still a joy to use even with the stuff I don't like.
I am using my MacBook less and less these days, as my iPhone and iPad get better. But when I go to my computer I don't want it to have those iOS like features. I don't this OSX is a difficult os to use at all. I find it to be easier than windows by a landslide. So for me there is no need to make it easier to use by importing iOS features. If they gave the iPad just a few tweaks to be more like OSX and threw in a USB port it could almost replace my MacBook. More than almost.
Yes I would like to see some OSX features sent to iOS. I really enjoy all my apple product so I won't complain too much. Considering the alternatives I think lion is still a joy to use even with the stuff I don't like.
your entire argument is based entirely on your (very clearly strongly biased) opinion, no fact whatsoever.
Apple has sold MILLIONS of copies of lion on the app store (meaning those copies didn't come with new macs). It was adopted faster than any other operating system.
All of the limitations of the iOS system you pointed out are very real. They aren't, however, relevant. There is no indication that those "oversights" are going to be brought to OSX. They are only bringing the features that make sense for the desktop.
The file system in lion is slightly restricted, yes, but hardly at all. Apple has hidden and locked system essential files. We're talking about the average user here, so how is that change going to affect them AT ALL? It will only keep them from accidentally ruining their system.
Certain locations are hidden by default in the finder sidebar. They can still be found through search, and can be turned back on in the preferences. It takes literally 10 seconds. You don't seem like the type who uses the default setting on their computers, so that shouldn't be a problem for you. Aside from that, nothing is "gimped" or a disaster about the file system in lion.
A full filesystem is included in windows 8 (just like in lion, by the way) but it is "hidden" from within metro apps, in favor of more intuitive, software driven solutions.
And you've also completely ignored my statement about how share sheets function. You claimed that if the developer doesn't think of a certain app to be shared to, you are out of luck, this is totally wrong. Share sheets work by telling the system (when you press them) "I'm trying to send this .pdf, .jpeg, etc". The system spits back a list of apps that tell it "hey, I can use that file", and the user chooses which one they want. The app needs to have only information about what file types it can read built in, no information about where it can share to, the system handles that.
Your claim that users don't want to share between apps is totally absurd too. Drag and drop is one of the most popular features in OSX, and it's for sharing between apps. Users want that, they love that, and share sheets make it a lot easier. Oh, by the way, drag and drop isn't going away either.
It's the future of computing, you don't have to like it, but you can't deny that for the average person it IS better...microsofts engineers recognized that. I don't know why you cant
I am not arguing that the appstore is a bad outlet for devs and customers. I am simply saying that I cannot take a person's statement seriously when it starts out with "Apple doesn't make a lot of money... [from the appstore]" That is completely false, thus I must assume everything that comes after it can be equally false.
The argument "you do better", I also find to be poor. Have you ever seen a bad show? Heard bad music? Had a bad experience at some sort of venue? Could you have done better EVERY SINGLE TIME? Of course not. That doesn't mean you weren't able to critique whatever you thought was bad justifiably.
As it stands now, the user interface environments for all mobile operating systems are not advanced enough for a file system to really change anything. Until phones get REAL multi-tasking (and I mean multiple applications running all at once in front of your view and not just applications running in the background); which we never will because that is highly impractical on a small screen; file systems are unneccessary.
If you didn't understand that, basically: file systems on a phone serve nothing but to reduce battery life.
....You think iOS doesn't have default program selection?
Again, why do you need this?
Doubt it. I don't think Apple is, self-centered enough to end the ability to use Parallels, VMware, or Boot Camp.
The thought of Apple creating yet "another" OS that doesn't run anything that the Windows OS can, Seems like restarting from square one at Apple, In doing so Apple would eliminate the very thing that made them successful in the first place, which was having an operating system that works, but can also do what the Windows OS can do, (in one way or another) and for those super specialized Windows programs that don't exist on Macintosh at all.. That's what Boot Camp is for.
It's too big a feature, and in my opinion too successful a feature for Apple to just throw away someday.
That is all I "need" Apple to do, So as long as I can still do that, I'm fine. File management, internet browsing, email and communication are subject to change and I don't really care if they do.
But if the day ever comes that Apple stops supporting a form of running Windows, I'll have to switch to Windows for work.
Supposedly they are getting rid of it for OSX as well... doubt they would incorporate it into iOS at that point.
Do you have any evidence that it is false? Tim Cook reiterated in yesterday's shareholder meeting that the entire iTunes Store, including the App Store, is operated to break even. Unless he is lying to Apple shareholders, it appears that you are the one that is wrong.
This I cannot believe. They aren't making a dime on the entire iTunes store. Yeah... right.
It's been said at every financial conference in the last few years. Here you go:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...dends_a_stock_split_itunes_content_deals.html
"Cook then addressed the specifics of the question, noting that Apple has lots of content, "most everything" in the music business and around 40,000 movies and 70,000 TV shows, but that it "was not there for the profit," noting that the iTunes Store is targeted to run at break even as a convenience to users, not as a business."
They are making a minimal amount of money. The usual phrase is "a bit over break even". Of course, all things are relative.
Movies, music, etc. I can see. There are licensing costs, and it's been this way since day one (in fact your iTunes match fees pay the record labels every time you play one of their tracks). Apps, and iAds, I cannot, and this isn't implied anywhere in that article.
Interesting. Well thank you Apple for allowing it to continue. And here I was thinking I was up to date on this kind of info.
I provided one link as an example. As I said, it's said at every quarterly conference call. Feel free to google it yourself.
I did. I don't find anything stating anything about the appstore itself, other than figure of what they made in 2009 (between 20 and 40 million). It's not going to cost them 20 million a year to host these files. Again, I am speaking APPS. I suppose you can argue that 20 million is "nothing" to them, compared to what they are making off of hardware sales. I think it's pretty clear that this was never my point though...
Interesting. Well thank you Apple for allowing it to continue. And here I was thinking I was up to date on this kind of info.
The whole point of keeping the store going is to get you to buy into their ecosystem. You are much more likely to keep upgrading to Apple devices if you have dumped a butt ton (again, relative, but a couple hundred is a lot to many people) of cash into their apps. Their devices are where the REAL money is made.
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I was actually reading that now. I was also reading that the appstore has made them $189 million since its onset. Again, how is that not a lot of money? because it's less than a couple billion?