Correct - to put it into exclusively RCS terms -- we've had RCS since shortly after LTE launched. Each carrier had their own flavor of it; it's an open standard for use by anyone presented by the GSM Association after all. None of these carrier systems talked to the others, they were all these carrier-enabled fiefdoms. Then you have a Samsung come along and launch their own RCS platform in the form of Samsung Messages. Samsung's was the most successful, as Samsung is the whale of Android OEMs. Google won them over, and that was a huge deal -- but even Samsung didn't get API access to Google's RCS and has to ship with Google Messages now. Any form of this, today, requires Google Messages to be installed. And it appears Google's stance on this is they want access to the SMS stack in iOS, and possibly even iMessage's stack. Otherwise, they could've released the app themselves at any point, yesterday... today... tomorrow... nothing is stopping them. RCS works without SMS access, and soon, without even a phone number.
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Correct - to put it into exclusively RCS terms -- we've had RCS since shortly after LTE launched. Each carrier had their own flavor of it; it's an open standard for use by anyone presented by the GSM Association after all. None of these carrier systems talked to the others, they were all these carrier-enabled fiefdoms. Then you have a Samsung come along and launch their own RCS platform in the form of Samsung Messages. Samsung's was the most successful, as Samsung is the whale of Android OEMs. Google won them over, and that was a huge deal -- but even Samsung didn't get API access to Google's RCS and has to ship with Google Messages now. Any form of this, today, requires Google Messages to be installed. And it appears Google's stance on this is they want access to the SMS stack in iOS, and possibly even iMessage's stack. Otherwise, they could've released the app themselves at any point, yesterday... today... tomorrow... nothing is stopping them. RCS works without SMS access, and soon, without even a phone number.
I'm fine with that explanation -- I just don't know why we want to too technical on someone's reply if they say "they're selling my data" when the general tone of the comment is unaffected by the nuance. It may be a level of nuance that really isn't needed, unless you're specifically discussing that mechanism itself. At the end of it, they're using the data to sell something, and that data came from a specific user. I guess that's all I'm driving at. Have a nice day.
It’s mostly just that I came up with the leasing analogy earlier today in a private group chat and wanted an excuse to use it publicly! But it does also explain why Facebook can legally claim not to sell your data yet still makes money off of your data, which might confuse non-technical users if we frame it as “Facebook sells your data”. Maybe there’s a less technical way to get the same distinction across.
Why doesn’t Google just continue to fail at messaging as they have for years and years? I think that by now it’s their perennial place in the world.
They made iTunes for Windows to sell more iPods and sell more music. It was a pig of a program and never got any better. It was the embodiment of Apple's abandonware culture when it comes to programs. Come out with something shiny and new and then let it stagnate, moving on to the next shiny object. AppleWorks anyone?
I had no issues with it. It doesn’t have to be fancy or have some useless features. It just needs to work.
I think it’s still a thing but maybe not
Sorry. Apple does this because of the limitations. How far Apple takes it is up to ... Apple.
SMS isn’t end to-end encrypted on any phone, rendering everything you just said moot.
Someone didn’t think this all the way through, that’s true. Just not who you think it was.
Then deal with the mean green bubble. Apple doesn't have to switch to a Google-backed messaging system just because you can't see a picture.
Either get an Android phone and text til your heart's content.
Or
Stay with iPhone and deal with it.
Speaking of hard concepts, is it that difficult for you to grasp that Apple has zero obligation to make it easier for people to see a picture Android users send?
'RCS is designed to replace the current SMS messaging standard.'
Is it really? Is it a worldwide carrier standard now? Is it planning to be? Or is Google the only one trying to push it?
Until it is a worldwide carrier standard Apple will not adopt it.
Is it really? Is it a worldwide carrier standard now? Is it planning to be? Or is Google the only one trying to push it?
Until it is a worldwide carrier standard Apple will not adopt it.
The EU would not say "Implement Google RCS in iMessage", they would say something along the lines of "Implement Standard RCS in iMessage". They would tell them how specifically.
Google's RCS implementation just happens to be the current "standard".
Yea, not what I observed at all. Letting PC users play with iTunes, a far more aesthetically pleasing program than anything that has ever ran on their computer, a ton of people became curious, started buying iPods, and then a couple years later, magically almost every household had an iMac. I'm oversimplifying the events, I know, but nonetheless.
Im still surprised on why people still use sms in United States, there is whatsapp, telegram and many more services which provide better messaging, imesage from iphone to iphone is basically the same principle.
Here in europe to talk about sms is to think about nokia’s when they where bricks. In Spain (probably whole europe too) we use whatsapp as main messaging service and myself ive used it since my iphone 4s which was my first one. And imessage is probably the least used thing here in the iphone, I use it if whatsapp is down 😂.
I understand sms unifies any product but is outdated, although even with RCS i think it would lack a lot in features and experience more than a messaging platform. I do understand too that in America most of the people use an iphone thus being common to use imessage and thus as well using the same platform for sms but still whatsapp or telegram unifies any device and provides same experience and features.
Is it just because there is a majority of iphones in USA or is there any other reason for it?
Here in europe to talk about sms is to think about nokia’s when they where bricks. In Spain (probably whole europe too) we use whatsapp as main messaging service and myself ive used it since my iphone 4s which was my first one. And imessage is probably the least used thing here in the iphone, I use it if whatsapp is down 😂.
I understand sms unifies any product but is outdated, although even with RCS i think it would lack a lot in features and experience more than a messaging platform. I do understand too that in America most of the people use an iphone thus being common to use imessage and thus as well using the same platform for sms but still whatsapp or telegram unifies any device and provides same experience and features.
Is it just because there is a majority of iphones in USA or is there any other reason for it?
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Yes, it is a global standard and has been for a number of years as previously stated in this thread.
What Google has done is put together a version that is compatible across the RCS landscape.
Is that a serious question!? Do you not think iPhone users would like to send/receive full quality videos and photos to/from friends on Android without having to go through a separate app?
I suspect that is changing.
I have two teenage grand-daughters, both with iPhones and neither uses iMessage.
Whatsapp, Telegram, Snapchat, Messenger, etc....
Meh, I'm getting S22 Ultra. We'll see how that pans out. lol. My Iphone will be backup phone and glorified Apple TV Remote.
So why does Apple support SMS/MMS? It has zero security.
Apple has zero obligation to let anything message a iPhone that isn't from another Apple product. Interesting concept,
I wonder how long they would last?
The fact that you keep saying Android just proves the lack of understanding.
Do you use your phone for any type of messaging other than to fellow iPhone users?
Book a doctors appointment which sends a SMS reminder. That message is in four messages that may or may not be out of order because of SMS limitations instead of just one message. RCS is a standard. It benefits to anything that uses SMS today. Hate to tell you but that's more than Android. Yes its a hard concept.
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I don't use SMS. You do realize there are other options out there, right?
But you need to get others with whom you communicate to use those as well, which is not always easy from my own experience.
You do realize that adding RCS support doesn't take away those other options, right?
You do realize that how you use your iPhone doesn't force others to do the same, right?
I dont know why they don't do this. Nobody is saying abandon iMessage for Apple devices. Just switch to RCS for communication with other smart phones.