Stromos
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Once again this doesn't change iMessage. It adds functionality to the fallback which is completely insecure SMS.
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'It's Time for Apple to Fix Texting' Says New Android Website Pushing RCS Messaging Technology
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The article is daft. This is how contrived the motive the article posits.Ugh yeah, Google’s motives aren’t pure either.
Google's RCS drama with Apple, explained: More than bubble envy, less than noble
We've now entered the shakedown phase in the "Google wants Apple to support RCS" campaignwww.androidpolice.com
Yes, the author states if Apple adopts RCS then people will leave Apple ecosystem for Android. The only thing keeping some people on iOS is iMessage features. That's the motive you are pointing out isn't pure.
....The Show isn't an exclusive game anymore. It's a multi-platform game. Who made it is irrelevant. Minecraft has cross play, Microsoft owns it. And yes, you were talking about games with whomever you replied to initially - and you failed to draw anything resembling a good analogy. I was merely pointing that out in terms you seemed to at least understand at a basic level.
And RCS isn't a software feature. It's an optional over-the-top service that you can, or cannot, adopt at your own discretion. It had no rules on deployment, which is why up to the point Google launched their own version, NONE of the RCS services could talk to one another. Your only RCS targets were people on the same cell carrier as you.
This is Google's ploy to try and dominate messaging instead of launching yet another flop, and use that dominance to farm more data - they're already pushing targeted ads in India which got them a lot of heat. Google does not publish any 3rd party APIs for access, and it was a huge deal when they scored Samsung to adopt Google Messages and drop their own RCS platform. Even Samsung doesn't have API access and they're the whale on the Android end. There's nothing preventing Google from launching Google Messages on iOS, they themselves could publish it today. They just wouldn't also gain SMS/MMS access nor have insight into the resting data of your iMessages, so they won't bother. It's an app no different than WhatsApp or Signal, using data to push messages.
Stromos
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That doesn't exist on Android? This doesn't effect iPhone to iPhone as I stated repeatedly it adds functionality to something that has zero security in the first place. SMS.
It looks like a number of people here have never tried to send (or receive) a video through MMS.
NT1440
macrumors P6
It is absolutely not in Apple to implement a half baked protocol that will only ensure privacy gets cemented as not important for another generation.
Getting new bells and whistles but ensuring another decade of “security only if the implementing party feels like it and business model doesn’t contradict the need for privacy” is just a ******** “solution”.
Exactly. Remember when you had to pay $0.10 per text, or an extra $30 a month for unlimited texting. Then some company came along (I forget which one, but it was definitely named after a fruit), and introduced a messaging system that pulled the plug on that money grab? When everyone went to using that messaging system, the not AT&T carriers had to stop charging for texts because everyone was switching to Ma Bell for free messaging. This, in turn, force AT&T to stop charging for texts.
So, while I would love a better experience texting to a handful of Android using friends, I do not want to give the carriers a chance to go back to charging me by the message. I am pretty sure they would if they thought for a second they could get away with it.
Google doesn’t follow industry standards except when required by court orders, and they also ignore all privacy laws world wide; no company follows all industry standards, but Apple follows them better than Google.
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Google adds E2E RCS encryption to Messages, emoji mashup suggests, and more for Android
Assistant will be able to show info from apps in widget form.
www.theverge.com
Once again... carriers have zero control or insight to RCS. What Google did here was take the RCS open source code and create a very closed RCS system and went over-the-top.
Google is making a public campaign about RCS in an attempt to stir up discontent, outrage, conversation, and us-vs-them arguing. This should be setting off alarms in the minds of everyone who sees it.
Google clearly has something to gain, and it’s not “blue bubble” status on iPhones.
After the disgusting behavior of big tech and government over the last 2 years, you can practically guarantee that they are after your money, your info, or your soul.
Google clearly has something to gain, and it’s not “blue bubble” status on iPhones.
After the disgusting behavior of big tech and government over the last 2 years, you can practically guarantee that they are after your money, your info, or your soul.
The problem with the only current (Google Messages app) E2EE implementation in RCS is that it’s flaky; unlike on iMessage, there are a number of ways it can be easily disabled and that would interrupt chats and make things messy. Either iMessage chats turn green or people would be getting kicked from them. In its current form the experience wouldn’t reflect the promise.
There needs to be full and properly implemented E2EE for RCS, not just the Google app, for the “green-bubble” to go away. Apple can easily counter with “We’ll consider adding it once E2EE has been properly implemented” to put pressure back on Google and the industry to improve the privacy of RCS first. They obviously won’t, because it’s ad targeting data, but it would draw that line in the sand and make any continued campaigns by Google wasteful until privacy has been improved.
In 2019, the prevailing four major U.S. carriers — Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint — formed the Cross Carrier Messaging Initiative, a joint venture to standardize RCS, independently of Google, but the joint venture fell apart as Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile abandoned it.
Sorry dont trust Google, the company that stated 'Dont do any evil', they seem to be more evil than most companies.
Just ask Sonos.
Sorry dont trust Google, the company that stated 'Dont do any evil', they seem to be more evil than most companies.
Just ask Sonos.
Are you somehow implying that Apple isn't also big tech?
blazerunner
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I prefer buying knock-off Xerox GUI systems. And knock-off Bill Buxton interfaces. And knock-off ARM cpu devices.
You really have no idea of how unoriginal Apple actually is but also completely fail to realize that there is a need for choice within a brand for consumers and standards across brands for consumers. Too bad cheerleading for Apple is more important to you than building better products and services for ALL consumers.
I think he's implying that one company makes it's money by harvesting user data and selling it, and knowing what's in your conversations is a huge hole in that data.
Why fix what isn’t broken? iMessage works perfectly. Seems Google is just green with envy as in green text bubbles
jz0309
macrumors P6
How many more “smiley” faces do I need to put in a post to relay that I was joking?????
Stromos
macrumors 65816
And what does that have to do with this conversation? Nothing changes iPhone to iPhone. You communicate to Android users over SMS today. That mean everyone (Gov, Google, Carriers) read said messages...
The problem isn't iMessage, it's when it falls back to SMS/MMS.
Seems like some people here are misinterpreting the request. This is not a request to replace iMessage.
The Apple Messages app already has 2 protocols (iMessage and SMS, and technically MMS). If you are communicating with someone who has iMessage then it uses iMessage and all it's features. If you happen to communicate with someone without iMessage then it uses SMS/MMS, Google is suggesting this second part be changes, that if you communicate with someone WITHOUT iMessage then it uses RCS. This would be an overall improvement. You keep iMessage for iPhone-to-iPhone and use the newer RCS protocol for anyone else.
I'm no expert, but, I understand that RCS is a bit of a cluster right now (different carriers interfering or not fully implementing etc...) , so not sure if it's worth implementing yet.
The Apple Messages app already has 2 protocols (iMessage and SMS, and technically MMS). If you are communicating with someone who has iMessage then it uses iMessage and all it's features. If you happen to communicate with someone without iMessage then it uses SMS/MMS, Google is suggesting this second part be changes, that if you communicate with someone WITHOUT iMessage then it uses RCS. This would be an overall improvement. You keep iMessage for iPhone-to-iPhone and use the newer RCS protocol for anyone else.
I'm no expert, but, I understand that RCS is a bit of a cluster right now (different carriers interfering or not fully implementing etc...) , so not sure if it's worth implementing yet.
Is that Google or Facebook, because Facebook is the one that really benefits from this.
Apple of course understands this perfectly well.
RCS would allow green bubbles to suck a little less than today (blue would still be better) and that could somehow make people less afraid to try Android and we can't have that.
I believe that iOS and iPhone is so much more than that but I can see from where they are coming.