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I can't really see myself get excited about this.

I'm really excited about iTunes 5 (whenever that is) I've been waiting for that for quite some time. I want something that is new and will enhance my music listening experience.

I think a good time to release iTunes 5 would be around the expected iPod updates this summer.
 
qubex said:
iTunes has become a real disappointment. They keep piling on all kinds of crap to appeal to the lowest-common-denominator iPod-wielding airhead. And the rest of us are stuck with it.

I disagree... Mac OS X (and Windows) are constantly adding new features, as are Adobe and the like (in the Keynote, the Mathematica dude said they've got tons of old code). The average Excel user uses probably 2% of all the functions that are built in, yet no one complains that they pay for the other 98% of the features. Software companies need to continually innovate and update their software, otherwise we would all be stuck with old outdated pieces of software and the companies would go out of business. They have to appeal to the majority of people and do what they feel is best for the business.
 
I'm really looking forward to this - integrated Podcasting.

The premium Podcasting isn't so bad - there are already Premium podcasting that you already have to pay for.. for example Coast To Coast AM - a radio programme but they added 'Podcasting' client recently.

Hopefully when Premium content does arrive the existing free Podcasters won't jump on the bandwagon of charging...

Unfortunately, in usa, the RIAA has made it too expensive to include any music whatsoever ( even if its less than 30 seconds ). You have to pay a royalty fee now. Which absolutely SUCKS.

LaMerVipere said:
"Premium content"

Boo.
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I've toyed with Podcasts occasionally. Like the rest of the Internet in general, quality is varied! But there are some people out there making some really interesting stuff. Whether it be music I'd otherwise simply not get exposed to, interesting 'talk radio' or something else entirely.

Some podcasts will even vary in quality from week to week. Some are occasionally just down right unlistenable. But the nuggets far outweigh the trash if you're willing to experiment.

I'm looking forward to having Podcasting integration in iTunes. At the moment, I'm using iPodder. It integrates with iTunes OK, but I'd like to see how iTunes handles it natively.

Sure, there's a lot of hype regarding Podcasting. It's certainly not quite the revolution some pundits are making it out to be. But don't discount it out-of-hand! For some of us, it's a great way to listen to the produce of our peers, be it good or bad. I've certainly found it refreshing considering the stagnation of streaming radio on the 'net. (I'm in the UK... and luckily where I live there's a couple of excellent music FM stations, not to mention the wealth of BBC national and regional stations. The ClearChannel homogenisation hasn't hit us so severely yet).
 
iTunes 5.1?

weezer160 said:
1) Why don't we just skip to iTunes 5.0? Also, what color will be the 5.0 icon be?

2) Will this mean that 5.0 be a significant upgrade with... what?

I have a feeling that iTunes v5.0 will incorporate 5.1 surround AAC as well as the VBR encoding that has just been incorporated in QuickTime 7. I've played around with this a bit but it is only available within the QuickTime wrapper and is a bit cumbersome to use, lacking the simplicity of iTunes.

My guess is that they are saving iTunes "5" for this feature...might as well just call it iTunes "5.1". Better hope this is the last revision before that's ready...I think that iTunes 4.10 will be awkward. :confused:

Skull Leader
www.skullsquadron.com
 
podcasting yaawwwwnnn

Unless they add the ability to assign a type and bit rate to all iPods (like they do with the Shuffle), I'll be disapointed...
 
I wonder how much this feature will cost Apple in terms of bandwidth?
 
kever said:
Wow, you seem to be a bare necessities-guy! I'm glad you like iTunes! But I'm sure you'd have a blast with WinAmp2.1. Make sure you turn off the "pause" function. Who needs that anyway??
Yeah you're right. Who needs Pause anyway? I just drop to the Terminal and use "kill -s SIGSTOP iTunes_PID" to pause and "kill -s SIGCONT iTunes_PID" when I want to resume. Less hassle and no bloat.

I hope you can handle sarcasm. There is more where that came from.
 
Skull Leader said:
I have a feeling that iTunes v5.0 will incorporate 5.1 surround AAC as well as the VBR encoding that has just been incorporated in QuickTime 7. I've played around with this a bit but it is only available within the QuickTime wrapper and is a bit cumbersome to use, lacking the simplicity of iTunes.

My guess is that they are saving iTunes "5" for this feature...might as well just call it iTunes "5.1". Better hope this is the last revision before that's ready...I think that iTunes 4.10 will be awkward. :confused:

Skull Leader
www.skullsquadron.com

Now that would be nice. I recently got an M-Audio Transit USB audio device for my Mac Mini, and I'm very impressed. Got full AC3 pass-through into my Yamaha DD/DTS amp and it sounds fantastic. All my audio in & out on my Mini's via optical links now, and the system supports it perfectly.

I keep meaning to investigate multichannel audio from sources other than DVDs. It'd be great to have multi-channel support right within iTunes.
 
It's pretty clever to officially support podcasts. It's all about people producing the content for people, people! (If you catch my drift).

They obviously wanna build an "official" podcasting community. You know, those Internet buzzwords: Communities... social networks...
 
jamesnajera said:
All I want is CD-TEXT.
Just a little CD-TEXT question for you: Which feature of CD-TEXT support in iTunes would you use more - importing CD-TEXT on existing CDs into iTunes, or adding CD-TEXT to CDs you burn yourself?
 
akac said:
How so? Podcasts are just really like Tivo-d radio programs. I despise them. I have no desire to listen to a 30 minute spiel when I can read the same info in less than 5.
"Despise" is kind of an extreme thing to say about a technology that you just don't happen to use. I don't use iTunes "Party Shuffle" feature, but that doesn't mean that I hate that it's there. If there are thousands of Podcasts out there, then it means that there's a need or desire for it. I'm really glad this feature is coming.

Just because you can SKIM headlines in 5 minutes, doesn't mean you are truly getting the comprehensive skinny on what's going on. This past week's YML (YourMacLife) was terrific and always is. Great guests and news about stuff we care about. You call it a "Spiel", but talk radio has been around for ages and millions tune in. Now the consumer doesn't have to worry about (1) catching the show at a specific time (2) missing a show (even Tivo can't get you a show that you didn't record for later use or (3) never hearing a great show over and over again. Talk Radio and News Radio -- this is going to be great. Sure, who wants to listen to a complete moron ramble on in his basement for an hour, but you're not considering the people out there that will take Podcasting to a very informational and entertaining level.

akac said:
Granted it is good for those who commute on the train or carpool, or something like that - but ...
No "but" about it. You just described scenarios that people will enjoy. How about quickly burning your Podcasts to a CD before heading out for your work commute? There will NEWS podcasts and all types of information that you can listen to when you normally would be just listening to the radio or to a music CD. That's great stuff. There are people out there with a lot of interesting things to say "DaringFireball.net" is just one such site that I hope start offering podcasts of their articles.

akac said:
... but I just don't see podcasts as anything more than a fad.
Many people said the same thing about VCRs and I'm sure many people "despised" them. You could record a TV program and watch it later when you had more time. How ignorant was that?!
 
To all you iPodding naysayers

iPodding is an excellent way to check out unsigned artists. I have gotten hooked on several indie-music-type podcasts. I've heard lots of great music I never would have heard otherwise.

Some of the podcasts I'm currently listening to (in no particular order):

http://mostlytunes.com/
http://www.dailydrivel.net/
http://tartanpodcast.com/ *Flat-out awesome
http://insomniaradio.net/
http://radio.speljamr.com/
http://composerplanet.com/speechless/
http://spacemusic.libsyn.com/

Podcasts are great to listen too when I'm stuck on a microscope all day long, especially when none of my "normal" music on my iPod interests me.
 
Death of Real?

I rarely listen to radio since I don't listen to commercial radio at all, don't commute anywhere (and I'd be on a bike anyway) and daytime BBC radio is mostly abysmal. Commercial is worse.

However I do listen to the beeb's archive at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ and especially 6Music. You can listen to these online but it's a choice of either windows media or Real streaming format. Not ideal.

The Beeb has started doing some podcasts - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/downloadtrial/subscribe.shtml

The only thing I note there is the podcasts currently are all BBC derived content so they don't have to pay royalties on downloaded songs. That may be the spanner in the works that prevents many radio stations from podcasting copyright material. I presume there's quite a difference between paying for broadcasting/streaming and allowing downloads.
 
Celebrity Podcasts

Now, I could care less about Paris Hilton, but... I realize there are those that do. Well, she has her own Podcast now for the movie, HOUSE OF WAX out now. But, it opens up a whole new way to market your movie, your album, etc.

STEPHEN KING podcast. He could read excerpts from his upcoming book. He could do serial stories for paying customers.

There is no end to how interesting Podcasting could become.
 
Well -- sure -- there will be plenty of people that can't afford to link directly from Apple's site, but I'm pretty sure the consumer will be able to MANUALLY add a podcast to his iTunes. It would stink if Apple just allowed the big boys to Podcast easily.

wiseguy27 said:
I've tried "amateur" podcasts using jPodder before, and for many podcasts it really sucked big time because of server timeouts (during download) and being unable to download a podcast completely.

Even with a few thousand subscribers to podcasts, the bandwidth requirement of the publisher could shoot up a lot (imagine a 4MB file downloaded every week by just 10000 users - 160GB total bandwidth!!!). I wish they'd integrate something like Bit Torrent into the client and use it to download the podcasts - that would make a lot of sense for amateurs or independent authors who want to get into podcasts without a high cost.
 
I loved watching the WWDC keynote, with Jobs demoing podcasts...

The new music podcast was the only one demoed that drew any sort of interest.

Jobs himself was quick to stop playback of the podcasts he chose from Adam Curry and others... as they quickly became boring or annoying as hell.

It would seem we are really scratching for innovative ideas on the iTunes front. Video and picture integration is the only way forward in my opinion.

//Patiently waiting for iLibrary 1.0/5.0
 
JGowan said:
Well -- sure -- there will be plenty of people that can't afford to link directly from Apple's site, but I'm pretty sure the consumer will be able to MANUALLY add a podcast to his iTunes. It would stink if Apple just allowed the big boys to Podcast easily.

Jobs already said people would be able to manually enter any podcast subscription not just then ones listed in the ITMS. My guess is that iTunes 4.9 will just link to the podcast download site rather than host the podcast on the ITMS servers.

Also, to all those people that say podcast is just boring programming, you should really give it a try.

Podcasting isnt just about recycled radio news shows, the real draw to podcasting, comes from all the armature podcast like the Dawn and Drew show (who record their show with garageband) or Adam Curry's Dailey Source Code. They are both really good podcast that show just how podcasting is about giving anyone the power to create their own show the way they want.

there’s no big brother, no shareholders or higher ups, no FCC telling you what’s appropriate, anything goes, and that is just awesome.
 
jicon said:
I loved watching the WWDC keynote, with Jobs demoing podcasts...

The new music podcast was the only one demoed that drew any sort of interest.

Jobs himself was quick to stop playback of the podcasts he chose from Adam Curry and others... as they quickly became boring or annoying as hell.

It would seem we are really scratching for innovative ideas on the iTunes front. Video and picture integration is the only way forward in my opinion.

//Patiently waiting for iLibrary 1.0/5.0



Have you listend to Adam Currys podcast? Its far from boring.


Why would anyone, especially mac fans, write off something new like podcasting as "boring" or "annoying as hell" with out even listening to it, I dont get it.
 
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