The guys in the documentary definitely cycle. However, their muscles and veins looks very alive in the exceptionally well shot 4k documentary.
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The guys in the documentary definitely cycle. However, their muscles and veins looks very alive in the exceptionally well shot 4k documentary.
While 4K/hdr streaming from atv is as close as it’s ever been to physical media it’s still not as good in my opinion on my LG OLED. Video is certainly close but aside from the slight edge to the disc the audio is in another league if you have a good audio setup. Vudu comes a little closer as it supports Atmos over Dolby Digital Plus (not on atv version but through lg apps) which I have found pretty good actually. My purchases are mixed right now depending on the movie. Also keep in mind that often the 4K disc is not much different in price than iTunes and often comes with a digital copy so can be best of both worlds.
Oh God, yeah! FADE TO WINTER most incredible film ever! The people in it are truly awesome. I bought it in 4K from Vimeo 2 years ago!!! Must of seen it 1000 times! INCREDIBLE! Their new one is in iTunes 4K!!!
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I gotta see it!
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Do you think the sound will be to your standards when Dolby Atmos launches on the ATV 4K dude? Will it mean Dolby Atmos films on iTunes?
BluRay 4K discs are still expensive in the UK - £20 is the cheapest i've seen them. I honestly think that it's a dead format and for me, it's really strange using physical media. Just my opinion though. Although I love my real books and art over digital forever!
HiRez
macrumors 603
According to the site Real Or Fake 4K, 2 of the 8 Harry Potter movies are "real" 4K with 4K film scans. Oddly, it's the first and oldest 2 of the series. The rest are "fake" 4K, however considering the popularity of these movies I think it's likely they'll receive an update that's more "real" 4K, although I doubt they'll re-do all the VFX in native 4K.
HiRez
macrumors 603
Interesting comparison here between 4K/DV Blu-ray via Oppo 203 vs. Apple TV 4K streaming, on matching, calibrated LG G7 OLEDs. Basically the Blu-ray is unsurprisingly a little sharper but it seems only marginally so (and maybe not even noticeable depending on eyesight and viewing distance) and the Apple TV and Apple codec holds up quite well. If you miss anything, don't worry because this guy will repeat everything he says at least 5 times =D.
I have a 4k Sony player. I don't see how a streaming version of a movie is different than a disc-based version.
Audio?
To discern between 30mbps and 100mbps UHD video quality you will need to have:
1) true 4K movie (many are just 2K upscales)
2) take a really close look, especially in dark areas. Turn your display's image enhancements off first.
It will certainly be an improvement and would likely shift some of my purchases to streaming but not all. It will very likely be lossy Atmos over DD+. I have invested in a good sound system with powerful dual subs. The lossless tracks seem to especially differentiate themselves with the LFE track. For good sci-fi, action movies will likely continue to purchase discs. I'm hoping that it becomes easier to rip 4K discs soon so I can have everything in Plex at full A/V quality. Was using a dedicated laptop/HTPC running Plex for all my blu-ray rips but just bought a Shield for simplicity which can also bitstream lossless HD audio and Atmos via Plex (ATV can not). There is one somewhat shady program that does 4k rips now with a limited but increasing number of discs supported but haven't tried it yet.
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Personally, I'd simply leave a 4K BluRay as a disc rather than rip. I'm thinking an uncompressed disc will be huge file size wise 100GB? maybe. How would that stream in terms of reliability. I have 250mbps fibre and when I Apple HomeShare an iTunes HD film, it freezes for 2 or 5 seconds at last twice during the film. Presumably, that's a 5 second drop in WiFi but for me, I don't like to Apple Homeshare a film because of this - it ruins the experience for me. Sadly my router is in another room so no Ethernet wiring to the ATV for me.
I have a fairly robust home network with with a mix of gigabit, MOCA 2.0 (which runs close to gigabit speed) and AC wireless. HT gear is all wired and never have bandwidth issues with high bitrate full blu-ray rips. I think I should be fine once 4K rips get going but if not could switch back to an HTPC hooked directly to AVR (data is on USB drive connected to HTPC).
Unprocessed1
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It seems like the ATV 4K is close to being on par with 4K Blu-Ray.
The question is, how much sharper is the streaming of the ATV 4K compared to built-in Samsung/LG/Sony television apps (i.e. Netflix) that play in 4K?
The question is, how much sharper is the streaming of the ATV 4K compared to built-in Samsung/LG/Sony television apps (i.e. Netflix) that play in 4K?
It would be great if someone with both can compare built-in Netflix vs ATV Netflix image quality.
I guess that only you and your eyes can judge that BUT i've read some very promising posts on this forum from people highly impressed with Netflix on ATV 4K. Also, the super exciting addition of Auto Frame Rate switching is a real winner.
I've never used the apps on my Panasonic 4K TV - totally prefer the UI and experience of the ATV. It has everything that I want in one reliable place! For a surfer guy like me, Red Bull TV HD and WSL World Surf League HD are the true icing on the cake along with Vimeo/MUBI/M2M.
As for the physical vs digital argument, I will weigh in my 2 cents.
Physical Discs: When new movies come out they can often be bought for about $20-25 and generally come with a digital copy code. In my opinion this is the best of both worlds.
I do not have 4k equipment at the moment, but there are advantages to the disc as it does not require internet to play. This is nice because of unreliable or slow internet streams. Some people will fall into preferring the physical disc because they can not get fast enough internet for streaming due to geographical location.
Digital Copies: These are extremely convenient and due to being able to buy redemption codes online along with sales are often cheaper. I have been hesitant about going purely digital until recently when Movies Anywhere came out. Now I have almost all of my purchases sync'ed between iTunes/Amazon/Google play. Once Paramount and Lionsgate sign on I think all of my movies will be synced.
Conclusion: For me it ultimately depends on price and the movie. Some movies I will want to buy the physical copy that includes a digital code. For others I am interested in just buying the movie at the cheapest cost and I do not really care about having it on disc. For example I've bought several iTunes codes online recently for <$5, to have the movie at that price the pro's of streaming generally out weight the cons of streaming and physical ownership. I have been a person who wanted the physical media but I am increasingly turning towards digital copies only.
I hope this helps some of you out there thinking about purchasing digital only vs physical.
Note; I do not buy physical discs which do not come with a digital code.
Physical Discs: When new movies come out they can often be bought for about $20-25 and generally come with a digital copy code. In my opinion this is the best of both worlds.
I do not have 4k equipment at the moment, but there are advantages to the disc as it does not require internet to play. This is nice because of unreliable or slow internet streams. Some people will fall into preferring the physical disc because they can not get fast enough internet for streaming due to geographical location.
Digital Copies: These are extremely convenient and due to being able to buy redemption codes online along with sales are often cheaper. I have been hesitant about going purely digital until recently when Movies Anywhere came out. Now I have almost all of my purchases sync'ed between iTunes/Amazon/Google play. Once Paramount and Lionsgate sign on I think all of my movies will be synced.
Conclusion: For me it ultimately depends on price and the movie. Some movies I will want to buy the physical copy that includes a digital code. For others I am interested in just buying the movie at the cheapest cost and I do not really care about having it on disc. For example I've bought several iTunes codes online recently for <$5, to have the movie at that price the pro's of streaming generally out weight the cons of streaming and physical ownership. I have been a person who wanted the physical media but I am increasingly turning towards digital copies only.
I hope this helps some of you out there thinking about purchasing digital only vs physical.
Note; I do not buy physical discs which do not come with a digital code.
Michael Scrip
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It's crazy that people still buy DVDs.
Good ol' 480p
I won't even watch 480p clips on Youtube... let alone an entire movie. 😛
Good ol' 480p
I won't even watch 480p clips on Youtube... let alone an entire movie. 😛
Where it is full fat leaded 4K keeps I want, then it will be a disk if the master is good. However starting to get a few that I will watch on occasion as downloads.
e.g. 2001 a Space Odyssey ever gets 4k then that is a disc. Planet Earth II, Blue Planet when released and Blade Runner, and so on. Star Wars even.....
The few 4K I have now on Apple TV are impressive.
e.g. 2001 a Space Odyssey ever gets 4k then that is a disc. Planet Earth II, Blue Planet when released and Blade Runner, and so on. Star Wars even.....
The few 4K I have now on Apple TV are impressive.
Is it legal to buy codes for huge savings on iTunes? I can't imagine Apple allowing this???
I don't believe that we have codes like this for sale here in the UK. Is it an American thing?
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I find it very strange and very much like going back to 1998 or 2000. There's also CDs there which I stopped buying in 1999!!! It's like timewarp - but I think old British traditionalists can be like that - it's a very very scary country to live in right now - we have people trying to move forward and people pushing to go backwards. Super strange and not a very nice place to be right now :'(
I don't believe that we have codes like this for sale here in the UK. Is it an American thing?
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I know it's so weird. Waitrose, this upmarket supermarket sells only DVD not BluRay. It's weird BUT there are many many old people that shop there that tend to live in country areas that do not have fibre/fast internet.
I find it very strange and very much like going back to 1998 or 2000. There's also CDs there which I stopped buying in 1999!!! It's like timewarp - but I think old British traditionalists can be like that - it's a very very scary country to live in right now - we have people trying to move forward and people pushing to go backwards. Super strange and not a very nice place to be right now :'(
Michael Scrip
macrumors G3
I have a friend who still buys a couple DVDs a month. I think she has over 500 total. I want to tell her:
1. You're never gonna watch these anyway
2. They look terrible on your 65" LCD TV
It just seems like pouring money down the drain.
Oh... and she's 36 years old!
Damn! 36 - she should know better 🙂 To me, DVDs and CDs always look really messy in a house unless you can put them away in a draw - the opposite of my coffee table books - Surfing, Hip Hop, Travel, Architecture, Graphic Design etc. I get the impression that Steve Jobs was right when he rejected BluRay for Mac. It's funny, I think it's demographics, cultures too. Certainly, when I played basketball at university, my Indian friends and friends from all over Asia, were downloading their films in 2007. They didn't own one DVD whereas when I moved to a smaller UK city/town I saw that many people were still in 2017 buying CDs and DVDs. It's a really interesting one BUT i've discovered even more over the last year or so that IF Apple does something, then they do it 100% with passion.
The ATV is a great example. IF they'd put 4K playback in ATV in 2015, first it would have been H264 which may have caused buffering problems for some PLUS of course, no HDR/DV was around back then. So in reality, more people would have complained that ATV couldn't do this and couldn't do that. I'm glad that they waited as damn, they have a fine product in ATV 4K. Putting the A10X in it is pure gold!Until HMDI 2:1 is launched and popular, this lil box is pretty future proof for the next 2 or 3 years 🙂 I guess that's the real beauty of ATV, just upgrade it every few years 🙂
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Looks like Apple's ATV 4K HDMI Belkin lead is the very first HDMI 2.1 one out there...
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I bought my 4K TV at the end of 2015 and there were no 4K media players worth buying then, hence why it's only now two years later that I'm watching 4K content on it for the first time. While waiting I used a Chromecast for Smart TV functions. I could have upgraded to the Chromecast Ultra at a later stage but 4K/30Hz wasn't future proof enough and no Amazon app is on the horizon.
Yupp. 8K is 5 if not 10 years away, and 4K/60Hz hasn't reached mass adoption. The 4K ATV will be future proof for several years.
Dolby Atmos is also on the way which I hope will improve improve sound quality. Last night I watched Wonder Woman and whilst image quality was excellent clarity, object detail and punch was noticeably below Bluray. It wasn't bad, just ok. I certainly didn't think in my head "This is so good I never have to go to cinema" Hopefully Dolby Atmos will enjoy higher pirate sound than DDP.
Meanwhile when I watch Oblivion on Blu-ray the sound completely takes over the room and elevates the heart rate. Pop "Les Miserable In Concert 25th Anniversary" into the disc drive and the voices of all the actors and singers are so clear it's as if I'm watching it live.
Hopefully with software updates, ATV 4K can give me the same escapism and sensory experience..
WOW That sounds incredible. What sound/cinema system are you using? This is where BluRay comes into its own isn't it.
With HDMI 2.1 now released, i'm hoping that we see changes in TV in the next year - the variable frame rate conditioning sounds incredible - sounds like Apple's ProMotion to me 🙂 and the 4K120fps sounds great. Hopefully 8K will be here quicker than we think. VIMEO now offers the choice to upload 8K content and I believe stream it. Plus Red Bull and Extreme sports films companies have been shooting in 8K & 6K using Phantom and RED Dragon cameras for two years now 🙂
ATV UI would look pretty fluid in 120fps. My iPhone scrolling is in 120fps and it's very awesome 🙂
Hardcore PC gamers will be rocking 120Hz in no time.
My sound system is the Yamaha YSP-2500 7.1 sound projector. I know some people here frown on soundbars but it’s exceptionally good. It wasn’t what I had planned to buy but after an accidental demo in Richers Sound it was an instant buy. What is your setup?
You mentioned 4k and 8k Red Bull videos earlier and it escaped my mind. I will download the app today and give it a shot today. It’s a shame hardly any gadget or car reviews I watch you YouTube are available on Vimeo.
While there are many 4K streamers on the market, the ATV has blind sided all of them with a wealth of UHD HDR titles Available to rent out of the box. I wonder what 4K movie options Fire 4K owners have.