iTunes 9 to Include Blu-ray Support and iPhone App Organization?

[deconstruct60]

Brace yourself for the Bag of Hurt.

Jobs say that licensing blu-ray was a bag of hurt. That is substantially different from saying that the technology doesn't have value for the customer.

Since the licensing has been streamlined. Not sure how this flow

http://www.blu-raydisc.info/license_app/license_flow.php

is a bag of hurt. Sure there are a number of forms to fill out but Apple had to fill out how many forms to get Phones approved by several dozens countries? This is just once for worldwide.


Or really about securing the audio/video decode stream to the display? (which Windows and other OSs have finished implementing for a while now.) Apple has gotten over a year of breathing space to get stuff implemented. Blu-ray's adoption rate is on track with that exhibited by DVDs and CDROMs in the past. It has matured at this point so that Apple takes on minimal risk by adopting it.

 

[yg17]

That's ridiculous! You can't buy movies on iTunes that are 1080p and even if you COULD, the Apple TV can't even play movies at 1080p.

My 1080p HDTV and Blu-ray player can.

Another point... Blu-ray is always going to be higher quality than the compressed downloads from iTunes. Also, the sound is better on Blu-ray AAAAAAAAANNNND I don't have to fill hard drives with movies... just buy it at the store, come home and put it on my shelf.

I also like how my movies are separate from my computer so if anything happens to the files, I have the hard copy at hand.

EDIT: I just remembered... HD content from iTunes won't even play on the computer... you have to watch them from your Apple TV so you can't just plug your computer into your TV and enjoy movies from iTunes.

Not to mention that I pay around 18 bucks a month for Netflix and can watch all the movies I want, including Blu Ray. So unless Apple can develop a subscription plan that competes with NetFlix in both price and selection, optical media isn't going anywhere.

 

[xIGmanIx]

Found this a while back someone's idea of how the App Organizer might look.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pherplexed/3743490794/

Enjoy!

now that would be an iTunes i would actually enjoy to use. Id on't see why we can't perform some functions in iTunes itself as it would allow a much better and quicker input (mice/keyboard) and would allow you to possibly restore such settings if you had to restore for whatever reason.

 

[SteveDaMacFreak]

app organization, it's about time.

it's about time they offered some organization for the massive amount of apps we have accumulated. Although, I am more interested if apple plans to solve the problem with synching...

 

[mr.steevo]

Hi,

BlueRay will be great for archiving large multi track WAV files. DVD fills up far too quickly. I've been waiting for BlueRay simply for this reason.

s.

 

[JFreak]

Actually, all TVs classified as 720p are 1366x768. It is a broadcast standard.

TV's and broadcast standard are two different things. As already mentioned, 720p = 1280x720 progressive and this is what is broadcasted. You can then watch that using 1366x768 TV or a 1920x1080 TV or a 2560x1600 monitor or whatever. TV's and monitors up or downscale the pic as needed.

 

[JFreak]

Hi,

BlueRay will be great for archiving large multi track WAV files. DVD fills up far too quickly. I've been waiting for BlueRay simply for this reason.

s.

Me too. Very often I need to back up projects of about 30GB in size, so whenever dual-layer blu-ray burners and dual-layer blu-ray media become cheap enough, I'll be buying...

 

[tempusfugit]

I think/hope apple just skips over this blu-ray hype.

why the hell are you people trying to delay the inevitable?

The future of storage media is not discs no smaller than DVD's.

With the evolution of internet speed and physical storage in people's computers, there will soon really be no need for blu-ray discs at all.


I for one refuse to spend 30-40 bucks a movie anyway. I stream HD on the internet (netflix, for example) and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. Blu ray is NOT the future.

Personally I think this is why apple has not yet really supported blu-ray despite being in the blu-ray camp (as opposed to HD-DVD)



Blu-Ray = Waste of money, waste of time. I bet the technology will be obscure by 2015.

 

[Razeus]

I'm sorry, but the price of movies on Blu-Ray is absolutely ridiculous. I love movies, but I don't spend all my free-time in front of my HDTV. I have a PS3 and several BR movies, but I've gotten those all for $15-20. That's reasonable. The HD content that BR provides is no way justificiation for double the price. The only movies I "upgraded" to BR from the DVD are the Pixar movies and the Godfather. The rest, I've never owned before. Plus I have Netflix, and it's ALOT cheaper. BR is a joke. Plus I believe 90% of the people are just happy with DVD resolution and downloading.

 

[xIGmanIx]

I think/hope apple just skips over this blu-ray hype.

why the hell are you people trying to delay the inevitable?

The future of storage media is not discs no smaller than DVD's.

With the evolution of internet speed and physical storage in people's computers, there will soon really be no need for blu-ray discs at all.


I for one refuse to spend 30-40 bucks a movie anyway. I stream HD on the internet (netflix, for example) and it looks fantastic on my HDTV. Blu ray is NOT the future.

Personally I think this is why apple has not yet really supported blu-ray despite being in the blu-ray camp (as opposed to HD-DVD)



Blu-Ray = Waste of money, waste of time. I bet the technology will be obscure by 2015.

I'm sorry, but the price of movies on Blu-Ray is absolutely ridiculous. I love movies, but I don't spend all my free-time in front of my HDTV. I have a PS3 and several BR movies, but I've gotten those all for $15-20. That's reasonable. The HD content that BR provides is no way justificiation for double the price. The only movies I "upgraded" to BR from the DVD are the Pixar movies and the Godfather. The rest, I've never owned before. Plus I have Netflix, and it's ALOT cheaper. BR is a joke. Plus I believe 90% of the people are just happy with DVD resolution and downloading.

seriously? shoo trolls

 

[Tilpots]

<snip>

Blu ray is NOT the future.

<snip>

This is the only thing you got right. Blu-Ray is not the future, it is NOW.

 

[Target362]

That's ridiculous! You can't buy movies on iTunes that are 1080p and even if you COULD, the Apple TV can't even play movies at 1080p.

My 1080p HDTV and Blu-ray player can.

Another point... Blu-ray is always going to be higher quality than the compressed downloads from iTunes. Also, the sound is better on Blu-ray AAAAAAAAANNNND I don't have to fill hard drives with movies... just buy it at the store, come home and put it on my shelf.

I also like how my movies are separate from my computer so if anything happens to the files, I have the hard copy at hand.

EDIT: I just remembered... HD content from iTunes won't even play on the computer... you have to watch them from your Apple TV so you can't just plug your computer into your TV and enjoy movies from iTunes.

Good points. but I think ypou misunderstood. HD content from iTunes can play on the computer, it just can't play on the ipod/iphone.

Most of us cannot afford $5K and more for a home theater. Mine - 52-inch 1080p TV + BD player + 5.1 sound system - adds up to $2200. The only problem with it is not the system but my dog who does not like storms and thunder. She reacts whenever the sound system is on, and it is even more of a problem with BD movies because of the similarity to thunder. I must also add that she does not like regular TV, either, but I don't plan on decreasing the bass response because that would take away from the sound experience.

who said anything about spending over five grand on a home theater. Look at what you just said, $2200 for one and there are cheeper ones out there

If I had a BD player attached to my Mac, I could listen using my headphones. That would be one advantage. The other, of course, is being able to view BD movies on my computer's cinema display. Optical discs are not dead - nor are they dying. And if I can write to one, I can use it for backing up my iTunes, photos and other data.

Theres a guy who thinks out side the box!

__

Do you really think Steve Jobs is "god" and that Apple will take over the world and kill every formatt thats out there: DVD, Blu-ray, Firewire, cable, satiate TV, just to name a few?

Please, get a hold of your selfs.

 

[MacFly123]

Wow iTunes is getting more and more bloated with each iteration. I wish they would just keep it a lightweight and fast music jukebox like it was originally intended for.

I don't know if I'd want to play BluRay discs in ITunes. Rather have a separate app for that.

This would be great if it comes to light. As for BluRay... Not sure how that ties in with iTunes

Ya, um, wouldn't it make a LOT more sense to build BluRay support into DVD Player???

iTunes needs a nice cleaning in Snow Leopard with all the other apps. Why on earth would they put BluRay support in iTunes and not DVD Player? Can iTunes even play DVDs? I've never tried because THAT'S WHAT DVD PLAYER IS FOR, lol! And if you can't rip BluRays yet, then what is the point? Is there any software to rip BluRays yet on Macs or PCs?

 

[deconstruct60]

Internet speeds are constantly improving.

Internet isn't going to solve a problem when you need to boot a diagnostic disk version of the OS. Right now that is DVD. As the OS and complementary tools grow bigger over time it will be easier to fit a burned image of the OS + combos onto a Blu-ray disk than DVD. (you can spend lots of time pruning something down, but why bother if don't have to?)

For example burn a boot disk with your normal OS install and Apps. (leave off your user data/etc.; not a full backup.. just a backup of your system software. ) That more easily fits on a Blu-ray disk than DVD.

Sure you could perhaps netboot off of your multi-TB home storage server but that isn't going to work so hot if on the road with your laptop.

Similarly a USB flash drive have storage but it is also RW. Easier to stick a Read only media into a computer and be confident that it will be the same media when you get that media back out again.

The improvement from VHS to DVD was phenomenal. The improvement from DVD to BluRay is not so dramatic. Sure it's better, but not like it was from VHS to DVD.

1. think you need to right viewing device to see the difference (and a test that is going to show a difference). Increasingly that does not require some multi-thousand dollar device. Especially, now that finally triggered digital signals for TV in US.

2. 50 GB is different than 7-8GB. Single digit GB into double digit and R&D projects that put that into the triple digits which could come online in a couple of years. From a data perspective and data storage requirements for "inexpensively, pass around read-only media" are going up. DVDs had dead-ended. From a data storage perspective perhaps not revolutionary but certainly evolutionary.

 

[satcomer]

Why would iTunes need Blu Ray support? Surely DVD Player is the app of choice for that?

I guess for backup.

 

[rhett7660]

I agree with what others have said.. there is a big difference from DVD to blu-ray. You need to take a look at it on a system that can view it properly. And no you don't need a 10K system to do this.

 

[OllyW]

And if you can't rip BluRays yet, then what is the point? Is there any software to rip BluRays yet on Macs or PCs?

It is quite easy on a PC using AnyDVD HD and there's a thread here discussing native Blu-ray ripping for OS X.

 

[Hugh]

<snip>

Well, not all of us are tethered to our living rooms. This isn't about the entire family huddling up around an iMac to watch a movie. People watch movies everywhere. There's no 42" TV at hand when you're on a train or in an airplane, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to enjoy full HD picture quality. As for surround sound, there are headphones for that these days.

<snip>

There are headphones that can do surround sound? I didn't know that, are they high in the $$?

Hugh

 

[nws0291]

It is quite easy on a PC using AnyDVD HD and there's a thread here discussing native Blu-ray ripping for OS X.

Yeah MakeMKV is great! I am using it on my core i7 hackintosh to archive my blurays and have a nice Plex front end. I also invested in a 3WARE hardware RAID card to run my RAID5 array to keep everything safe. My rips are around 20-30GB each.

With native playback I could ditch my piece of crap Samsung bluray player that takes forever to load a disk and constantly needs firmware updates to play new disks.

 

[Hugh]

Giant Eagle

do people even use the term "supermarkets" anymore. I don't. Everyone I know calls it a store.

and of course your store has a large collection, its a Walmart supercenter, it has the electronics deparment.

I was talking about stores like Safeway. Stores that are only grochery.

<SNIP>

The store I am talking about is called Giant Eagle. They are big stores here, they only tech they sell are DVD/Blue Ray. I'm just saying the reason most likely because of the Super Wal-Mart is only like 10 miles away from this store. I actually think Giant Eagle has a bigger selection, I'm not sure on that. I will have to look around at both stores to make a termination.

I could take a photo if you want LOL!

 

[MacFly123]

It is quite easy on a PC using AnyDVD HD and there's a thread here discussing native Blu-ray ripping for OS X.

Yeah MakeMKV is great! I am using it on my core i7 hackintosh to archive my blurays and have a nice Plex front end. I also invested in a 3WARE hardware RAID card to run my RAID5 array to keep everything safe. My rips are around 20-30GB each.

With native playback I could ditch my piece of crap Samsung bluray player that takes forever to load a disk and constantly needs firmware updates to play new disks.

Nice, thanks! I thought there were solutions for PCs, but I didn't know there was anything on the Mac yet.

So could I rip a BluRay and sync and play it on my Apple TV??? I think Apple TV will do up to 1080i now right? Would it be able to play back a BluRay 1080p rip?

20-30GB each wow lol. That is literally 10x my DVD rips!

P.S. Does anyone know if there exists software that will upscale DVD rips like BluRay players upscale DVDs to 1080, or rip and upscale? That would be AWESOME!!!

 

[BaldiMac]

So could I rip a BluRay and sync and play it on my Apple TV??? I think Apple TV will do up to 1080i now right? Would it be able to play back a BluRay 1080p rip?

AppleTV can output 1080p, but 720p is the limit for video files that it can play.

P.S. Does anyone know if there exists software that will upscale DVD rips like BluRay players upscale DVDs to 1080, or rip and upscale? That would be AWESOME!!!

What does that mean? Upscaling does not add quality. Any TVs or DVD players that can output 1080p do it automatically. As does the AppleTV.

 

[SactoGuy18]

I'm sorry, but downloaded videos is NOT it due to the enormous bandwidth issues with downloading, let alone streaming, HD-quality videos!

With the Blu-ray Disc Association now with a vastly simplified licensing model, I still expect Apple to start offering Blu-ray disc support, possibly starting with the MacBook Pro models as early as October 2009.

 

[MacFly123]

AppleTV can output 1080p, but 720p is the limit for video files that it can play.

Huh? What exactly do you mean by OUTPUT if it cannot PLAY them?

What does that mean? Upscaling does not add quality. Any TVs or DVD players that can output 1080p do it automatically. As does the AppleTV.

Most all BluRay players that I have seen can also play DVDs, and when you play a DVD in them, they will upscale the DVD from 480 to 1080 on the fly.

I want to know if there is any software that will let you upscale DVD rips or files so they would be 1080.

I have ripped all my DVDs onto my Apple TV and it would be SWEET if there were software that could upscale all those files into 1080 so I would not have to by BluRays of all the DVDs I already have.

 

[Galley]

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