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They mention Blu-ray in iTunes 8 supporting video playback is another matter.
 

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Doesn't make sense. Why would iTunes have blu-ray support? It makes more sense for Frontrow of the "DVD" Player to have blu-ray support. iTunes don't even have plain DVD video support.


The only thing Blueray I own is a Blueray Audio disk (no video what so ever). It came in a combined BR-A and SACD 2 pack. Since SACD and DVD-A failed (SACD is "popular" only in classical music and jazz independent labels--which is good for me:D), the big studios are going to push for Blueray Audio (just an educated guess).
 
I can see this making sense for the Digital Copy stuff that is showing up these days. For those not aware, many BR releases come with two discs: a Blu-ray for the main feature, and a second DVD with a file you can add to your iPod or iPhone (random example from Amazon if you want to check it out).

I imagine one of these days, when BR drives become more popular, they would drop the second (DVD) disc and fit everything on the main BR disc. iTunes would need to at least support the BR drive in that case, even if it doesn't necessarily include BR playback.
 
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Since SACD and DVD-A failed (SACD is "popular" only in classical music and jazz independent labels--which is good for me:D), the big studios are going to push for Blueray Audio (just an educated guess).

I really doubt Blu-Ray audio is going to fare any better than SACD or DVD-A. Yeah the quality might be better, but playing your music on a disc is so 90s...
 
The only thing Blueray I own is a Blueray Audio disk (no video what so ever). It came in a combined BR-A and SACD 2 pack. Since SACD and DVD-A failed (SACD is "popular" only in classical music and jazz independent labels--which is good for me:D), the big studios are going to push for Blueray Audio (just an educated guess).

I hope they don't have bluray audio given that it would doom ripping audio cds in the future. All I wish for is iTunes start selling drm free lossless encoded music. If they did that, I would be a happy chap.
 
I would definitely welcome better iphone app organization, which I'm pretty sure will come eventually. Still unsure about whether apple will implement blu-ray support, but I would be happy about that too.
 
I have a feeling because Mac OS X Snow Leopard is pretty much API stable (still more work to be done though - API stable doesn't mean RTM) that maybe iTunes 9 will be Cocoa based using Quicktime X for compressing audio and will also be 64bit as well :)

I wonder whether Quicktime X will make its way onto Windows - personally what I'd sooner see is Apple utilise Windows Media Player instead and create a plugin for their iPod so that Windows users have a decent music player instead of the horrible situation they have now. Quicktime on Windows is a horrible abomination which drags Apples name down into the mud.

WMP in Windows 7 plays QT .mov files natively now.
 
Snow Leopard is 32-bit too

...if iTunes is rewritten in cocoa 64bit even if they add a lot of things to it, it will be much much faster especially on snow leopard.

... itunes needs 64 bit support! Snow Leopard is completely based around the 64 bit architecture so it would make perfect sense for itunes 9 to be x64.

Snow Leopard runs on 32-bit only machines, and even on some systems with 64-bit CPUs only 32-bit 10.6 is available (now).

They'll need an x86 Cocoa version as well as the x64 Cocoa version - which is of course possible.

Question for developers - would Cocoa help the x86 version? Is Cocoa x64 much faster than x86 in general?


All I wish for is iTunes start selling drm free lossless encoded music. If they did that, I would be a happy chap.

DRM and lossless would make me sign up for Itunes too.


Originally Posted by macintoshtoffy
I wonder whether Quicktime X will make its way onto Windows - personally what I'd sooner see is Apple utilise Windows Media Player instead and create a plugin for their iPod so that Windows users have a decent music player instead of the horrible situation they have now. Quicktime on Windows is a horrible abomination which drags Apples name down into the mud.

WMP in Windows 7 plays QT .mov files natively now.

;) I've always used VLC on Windows for QT files, the QT app is just too slow and limited.
 
I highly doubt Blu-ray support is coming to the Mac. Apple wants you to buy and download movies from iTunes. That's their business model. Why would they include support for Blu-ray?
 
The iMac is already 1920x1200. Know why? To fit the menu bar while still being able to use 1080p video.

To really appreciate the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD, you need 1080p. And FYI, 720p is 1366x768.

I would say to *fully* appreciate it, you need 1080p. I've got a pretty nice Samsung 720p television, and I can tell a great deal of quality bump from even my upscaled DVDs. But then my dad has a huge DLP 1080p television with a nice Onkyo a/v receiver and some Bose speakers. THAT is some Blu-ray experience.

Anywho, I'm not going to be in the market for a new computer for a few years, but adding Blu-ray support would be a huge factor to me not waiting in the future. The fact that sub-$1,000 notebooks have BD capability and even the Mac Pro doesn't has been a joke. Apple and some users can have this "all downloads, all the time" pipe dream, but optical discs are still extremely popular and won't just go away. This isn't some ancient worthless technology like the floppy disk.
 
I highly doubt Blu-ray support is coming to the Mac. Apple wants you to buy and download movies from iTunes. That's their business model. Why would they include support for Blu-ray?

Because Apple is only stupid to a point on this issue. Just because you can buy music, TV shows and movies from iTunes hasn't stopped Apple from supporting CD and DVD playback. I'm willing to bet that digital downloads of movies in HD are way way way way behind Blu-ray sales.

Before, Apple had a legitimate gripe about the licensing problems. But this year, the licensing for CD, DVD and BD has been streamlined a good bit. The format itself has also matured and gotten cheaper. Go check Amazon.com and you'll find plenty of sub-$20 quality movies. I think there are even some good ones at $10, although none I care to own. I just ordered Clerks 2 and Zack and Miri Make a Porno for $14.99 each. I found Lost: Season 2 for $30. Etc. etc.

The next line of Macs will be the holiday season models, and I'm willing to bet you'll see the first $99 standalone BD players this year. Apple pretty much has to jump in or be kind of a joke as the top premium computer maker. When USB 3 devices come on the market, do you think Apple will be one of the last to support it? Doubtful.
 
Snow Leopard runs on 32-bit only machines, and even on some systems with 64-bit CPUs only 32-bit 10.6 is available (now).

They'll need an x86 Cocoa version as well as the x64 Cocoa version - which is of course possible.

Question for developers - would Cocoa help the x86 version? Is Cocoa x64 much faster than x86 in general?




DRM and lossless would make me sign up for Itunes too.




;) I've always used VLC on Windows for QT files, the QT app is just too slow and limited.

I didn't say QT plays .mov files in windows 7. I said windows media player in windows 7 plays .mov files natively . I don't even have QT installed in windows 7.

The QT *.mov file must be encoded in H.264 though in order for windows media player to play the file.

I transcoded a 1080P H.264 video in Snow Leopard to 720P H.264 and the file extension was a default *.mov file.

Then I copied it to my Windows RTM partition and played it using windows media player. Smooth as silk.
 
If they add BluRay to the iMacs, this means that the rest of the Mac lineup may be getting them in their next update or so.
I've been holding off to buy a new UB MBP with BluRay - seems that soon I might be able to do so :)
 
I really doubt Blu-Ray audio is going to fare any better than SACD or DVD-A. Yeah the quality might be better, but playing your music on a disc is so 90s...

You are missing the point here. If you buy music off of iTunes the quality is pretty bad and the only purpose of SACD's DVD-A and BD-A is to supply audio that is a LOT better then cd sound quality is is for audiophiles that have high end equipment and want to hear better sound quality something you cannot do with a computer or downloaded files. Some people have DAC ( digital audio converters ) that cost thousands of dollars connected to amps and pre amps that also cost thousands of dollars to speakers that cost thousands of dollars and these kinds of people will not be satisfied with downloads or even normal cd's for that matter. Physical formats still trump downloads when it comes to things like HD and high end audio because stuff like this requires HUGE files to be as good as they are and when they are put onto iTunes they are heavily compressed.
 
All Macs should have Blu-ray drives and support for both movie playbk and read-write on BR-R and BR-RW disks. Or else a deal breaker!
 
I really dont get the blu ray fuss (and neither does most of the consumer market since most people grab a regular dvd still).

Back when blu ray and hd dvd came out and players were still $1100 I worked at Circuit City and we did a test for fun and showed customers the "new blu ray" and they were wowed and said how much nicer it looked then dvd.

Well guess what, it was a regular dvd they were watching just on a nice TV.


Most people can't tell the difference between blu ray and dvd unless they see a side by side comparison.
 
My white plastic iMac of a few years back has aresolution of 1920x1100,:eek: BluRay should have been included back then. My PS3 had it, why not my iMac?:confused:

The PS3 has 3 basic working modes that work separately, Linux, games and BR playback. On a computer the BR signal has to go via the OS needlessly complicating the process. A workaround could be restarting the computer to run the BR or give the BR player direct connection to the screen without needing the OS.
 
I don't see how adding the ability for iTunes to access more than 4~ gigs of memory would make it faster.

(referring to making it 64 bit)
 
At this point, not having Blu-ray support is just defiance for the sake of it. BD-ROM drives can be found for sub $70 retail, a burner for $160.

A lot of Windows-based consumer laptops are making a big deal out of having a Blu-ray drive now. It's a "premium" feature that can be added at little extra cost to the overall package. So long as Apple aren't supporting it, even as an option, they are giving business away - ironic considering they are on the Blu-ray board.
 
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