There is no real data tools in Office web apps or even pivot tables. So that alone makes it not equal to the native applications. There is no where near the functionality of Excel's web app versus the native client.
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There is no real data tools in Office web apps or even pivot tables. So that alone makes it not equal to the native applications. There is no where near the functionality of Excel's web app versus the native client.
uh... What? Have you seen the stuff people's been doing with Keynote. PPT is nowhere close.
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Auto capitalization was removed for some odd reason and I'm not happy about it. It does not capitalize the first word in a sentence or the letter "I" like '09 did. Auto-caps works fine in IOS version, but not Pages 5.0. I've searched for a workaround and have not been able to find one.
Plus the previous update overwrote my copy of iWork '09 and Mavericks won't let me re-install. Not happy.
Auto capitalization was removed for some odd reason and I'm not happy about it. It does not capitalize the first word in a sentence or the letter "I" like '09 did. Auto-caps works fine in IOS version, but not Pages 5.0. I've searched for a workaround and have not been able to find one.
Plus the previous update overwrote my copy of iWork '09 and Mavericks won't let me re-install. Not happy.
Plus the previous update overwrote my copy of iWork '09 and Mavericks won't let me re-install. Not happy.
That should definitely not have happened. All of my old iWork apps are in a folder "iWork '09" and the new ones were installed individually in my Applications folder. Possibly if you'd removed the '09 apps from the enclosing folder they would have been overwritten, but I have not heard of this before. Either way you should be able to restore from Time Capsule.
The biggest problem with having the old and new coexist is that your old iWork docs will automatically associate with the new apps (with no work-around). This is a huge problem for Pages docs, as the new version hoses the old docs pretty thoroughly, and to add insult to injury, autosaves them as the new version.
Well, it did happen! And I can't get it back. I did retain iWork '09 when i upgraded to Mavericks but when Pages 5.0 updated it went away.
And you're right about the new Pages autosaving in the new version. I can't understand why Apple did this. And with auto-caps gone I spend more time going back over my documents just to capitalize.
Ouch! If you look in your Applications folder, is there not an iWorks '09 folder?
Can believe they've not sorted this. If you can do it in preview and keynote why oh why can't they sort it ASAP
You can now delete a page but only by using the top menu.
Can believe they've not sorted this. If you can do it in preview and keynote why oh why can't they sort it ASAP
You can now delete a page but only by using the top menu.
That is ridiculous....the app is CALLED PAGES!!!!
It is so annoying that they have not fixed the page duplicate/delete, etc...by now.
Can I copy/dupicate a page in the app CALLED PAGES yet?
Of course not..., I mean how hard can it be to keep that ???. That alone is the main reason why I cannot use the newer pages
The App Store update is buggy. Launchpad is shows a 1.95 GB download. I assume that is the iMovie update; however, it appears that iMovie is updated to 10.0.1 and Mavericks is downloading it again. There is a placeholder in launchpad where something is downloading, but no idea what it is. Very strange.
Edit: it is iMovie being updated.
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Same happened to me in the App Store, but also included iMovie, MacTracker, and an OS X codec update: all disappeared soon as I hit download.
Edit: it is iMovie being updated.
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Same happened to me in the App Store, but also included iMovie, MacTracker, and an OS X codec update: all disappeared soon as I hit download.
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Jeez, just because you're happy with crap doesn't mean that it is tolerable for any serious user, don't you think? Apple has a long history of coming short on the s/w side, leaving it to kids rather than consulting with people who work for a living.
If people know that Apple have a long history of doing this, then they should switch to another company for those apps. There's no point of bringing up false hope that it'd ever be fixed.
Apple's going to do their own thing and they generally won't care what the customers will go through.
That's not really true. It isn't a matter of processor, etc., but a matter of UI. I have a copy of Pages '09 running on an old 733 MHz PowerMac G4. There is no question but that the processing power available to that PM G4 pales in comparison to the power available to the new iPad Air. I wouldn't be too surprised to find out that even the old iPad 1 had more raw processing power than this old G4. But what none of the iPads have is a practical and functional UI for the more advanced tools. So, if you're trying to make the apps 100% consistent across the diverse platform, you're going to end up with apps that only rise to the lowest common denominator as far as functionality is concerned.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for 100% compatibility. I'm even for providing access to the more advanced tools, even if it's somewhat klunky access. But the tool on the workhorse machine should give you the power that you need to REALLY get the job done.
Steve Jobs rather famously likened computes (desktops and laptops) to pickup trucks and tablets to cars. To me, making the iWork apps all the same across all the platforms is like putting the same shocks on both a car and a truck. They'll do fine on the car, but with such light weight shocks on the truck it can't really do any real work anymore...
Now, I loved AW, but I will have to respectfully disagree. From the beginning, Pages put AW to shame with its word-processing and page layout capabilities. It is true that I continue to be irritated that iWork doesn't have any real DB solution. I kept hoping the they might have bought Bento and integrated properly (Bento was a pretty decent little DB app, but it needed to be able to integrate fully into other apps, like the iWork apps). But they didn't, and now Bento is gone, and there isn't even any apps that are really trying to fill the gap.
Since the re-working of iWork that took place last September I find the product to be less clunky and I love the fact that whatever device I use it on my documents are all identical. In iWork 09 there was always something that was incompatible with one device or the other. Now the documents look the same on my iPhone as they did on the Mac, they look the same on my iPad 4 as they did on the Mac, they look the same on my iPad mini as they did on the mac, they look the same on my iPad as they did on the iPhone etc. Were some features lost? yes. Were they important features to ME? No. For me, iWork became easier to use with less clutter on the screen. Before the rework, I actually preferred using Microsoft Excel over Numbers. Since last fall I haven't even touched Excel or anything in MS Office. I am even considering deleting it off my Mac.
Now we get to the recent updates, more features were added. Some of these features will be good for some people, some will find them to be lame or useless but maybe that's because they don't use them. IN time I suspect that Apple will be adding more features to iWork. When you re-write an application as huge as iWork from the ground up, you ave to look at what features can be dropped or postponed to a later date. You are never going to please everyone all the time. People were complaining how long it had been since a major update, now they did one and people still complain. For me, the fact that there is 100% compatibility between all my devices is far better than the few features that were lost, even temporarily.
If I use iWork on the web via a Windows PC, my documents still look the same and I am able to use the web version of iWork just as I would on MacOS or iOS. You can't say that with the MS Office web apps, because they are scaled down versions of their Windows or Mac cousins. Microsoft dropped the ball by not bringing Office to iOS or at least the iPad when the iPad was first released. With iWork now, and me being all Apple iWork has been able to handle anything I can throw at it so far.
As for a DB solution, I wish there was one for the average consumer. Bento filled that spot for me just fine and I thought it was a stupid decision for Filemaker to discontinue it. Filemaker is a subsidiary of Apple so maybe there is something in the works under the Apple nameplate, only time will tell. Bento had it's quirks and I still use it, but in all reality a lot of what I did with Bento could be done in many of the specialized apps already out there so on a consumer level maybe there really isn't a market for an app like Bento anymore.
I think Apple is going in the right direction with iWork and over the next few months or so you will see new features added and it will become a much stronger contender with MS Office since it seems clear that Microsoft really doesn't want to do much with it's Apple side of the business anymore. It's a shame because Excel, Word and PowerPoint were all originally written for the Mac, now they are treated like the red-headed stepchild.
Now we get to the recent updates, more features were added. Some of these features will be good for some people, some will find them to be lame or useless but maybe that's because they don't use them. IN time I suspect that Apple will be adding more features to iWork. When you re-write an application as huge as iWork from the ground up, you ave to look at what features can be dropped or postponed to a later date. You are never going to please everyone all the time. People were complaining how long it had been since a major update, now they did one and people still complain. For me, the fact that there is 100% compatibility between all my devices is far better than the few features that were lost, even temporarily.
If I use iWork on the web via a Windows PC, my documents still look the same and I am able to use the web version of iWork just as I would on MacOS or iOS. You can't say that with the MS Office web apps, because they are scaled down versions of their Windows or Mac cousins. Microsoft dropped the ball by not bringing Office to iOS or at least the iPad when the iPad was first released. With iWork now, and me being all Apple iWork has been able to handle anything I can throw at it so far.
As for a DB solution, I wish there was one for the average consumer. Bento filled that spot for me just fine and I thought it was a stupid decision for Filemaker to discontinue it. Filemaker is a subsidiary of Apple so maybe there is something in the works under the Apple nameplate, only time will tell. Bento had it's quirks and I still use it, but in all reality a lot of what I did with Bento could be done in many of the specialized apps already out there so on a consumer level maybe there really isn't a market for an app like Bento anymore.
I think Apple is going in the right direction with iWork and over the next few months or so you will see new features added and it will become a much stronger contender with MS Office since it seems clear that Microsoft really doesn't want to do much with it's Apple side of the business anymore. It's a shame because Excel, Word and PowerPoint were all originally written for the Mac, now they are treated like the red-headed stepchild.
But at least the native client can still do it. The web and mobile versions may be lacking in the hardcore features at the moment, but Microsoft at least see no need to strip their desktop client of features because of it.
It isn't as if iWork was even a serious competitor to Office before they went and dumbed it down further.
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No argument there. Never have argued that point. What I will argue is that Apple appears to be committed to continue to develop features - in a rolling fashion as Google has done with their online platform Drive. As more features are added across the board it will get closer in parity. As of now Pages is working fine for what I need even in a small business environment (micro-brewery). Numbers still has a ways to go ( I need pivot tables) - but the filter situation has gotten much better along with available functions. Keynote is still quite good.
Office Mobile for Office 365 user here.
Nothing like any of the full versions whatsoever. Furthermore, they still have no iPad version.
I was more on about the features of the desktop version. Compatibility is maintained with the simpler online and mobile versions without any feature gut.
There is a Windows RT version. Since the iphone version exists, it is unclear atm if Microsoft are keeping back the iPad version in favour of Surface and RT sales or they're still on with it.
With the IOS update of numbers I can at least open a reporting services spread sheet that has merged cells. Unfortunately I still can't filter and sort it.
Polaris office is the only one that can even get close for now. At least Apple is going in the right direction.
The rumor mill says once Apple completes the Windows 8 version of iTunes Microsoft will release the office suit for IOS. So it might be a while.
Unfortunately I still can't filter and sort it.Polaris office is the only one that can even get close for now. At least Apple is going in the right direction.
The rumor mill says once Apple completes the Windows 8 version of iTunes Microsoft will release the office suit for IOS. So it might be a while.
Save to iCloud?
I kid...I kid...
Edit: They may have been talking about the Google Drive (formally Google Docs) app for iOS, which...while I haven't looked at it much recently, I remember it being pretty feature gutted, hard to work with, and buggy.
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I'd have to try using Google Docs again to say where it falls flat - I know that there's a large amount of features in Office and iWork that I use without thinking, and then I'm shocked when it's missing in Google Docs/Drive.