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The cause of the jelly scrolling is generally thought to be that the screen and display controller were optimized for scrolling as though the mini was in landscape mode. When you scroll in portrait orientation, the updates have to be done 90 degrees across the actually physical pixel update sequence. The result is mismatched updates in adjacent parts of the screen. Not everyone’s eyes are sensitive to the effect depending on their response rate. This rumor says that they are swapping the orientation of the screen components to favor portrait orientation scrolling.

I get that. But they make it sound like jelly scrolling has to exist one way or the other. If that's true, how come the jelly scroll is seemingly much worse on the Mini than other iPads? (Obviously, I'm only referring to people who see it at all).

Is it purely down to the smaller screen size of the Mini? I've no doubt the re-orientation of the screen components will improve the experience, at least in portrait. But is that really the best Apple can do?
 
Therefore, jelly scrolling will not be observable in portrait mode, but landscape-mode scrolling will be jellied instead.
 
I get that. But they make it sound like jelly scrolling has to exist one way or the other. If that's true, how come the jelly scroll is seemingly much worse on the Mini than other iPads? (Obviously, I'm only referring to people who see it at all).

Is it purely down to the smaller screen size of the Mini? I've no doubt the re-orientation of the screen components will improve the experience, at least in portrait. But is that really the best Apple can do?
The reason for the jelly scrolling is that the screen is built to refresh across the narrow dimension but you are scrolling along the long dimension. that makes the screen updates slower and less smooth.

All screens have this to a degree but in most the effect is too small for you eye to notice. Just as many people‘s eyes don’t notice the jelly scrolling in the current mini. (I’ve never been able to see it). this is probably why the rumor talks of reducing the jelly scrolling rather than eliminating it.
 
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Would have been good if the problem was eliminated. But hopefully since it is 'reduced', it should be just enough.
 
Apple would disagree with you about it not nearly as big of an issue as people like to think. They have directed resources to reduce the effect. If it was really no big deal, they'd do what they always do, deny the issue exists or claim it is being blown out of proportion. (Refresh rate is not the root issue of jelly scrolling so ProMotion isn't going to eliminate it)
Ummm you know from a reliable second source Apple has directed resources or just stating as fact what is really a rumor?
 
Due to the size and how people use it, portrait orientation makes more sense in the mini than in the larger iPads.
I keep seeing this repeated over and over and I wonder if it’s published statistics somewhere or if the people even use one or just say what they guess? If you treat it like a big phone. Maybe. But I almost never use portrait mode with mine. The only time I reliably use it is reading books, and for that case I read down the page then flip it. Scrolling just isn’t a problem for me. Anecdotal sure, ymmv, but I wish Macrumors would have a toggle button so you could identify who owns the device they are commenting on or not.
 
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Most screen technologies update one row at a time in some direction. In the iPhones and almost all the iPads, this is from top to bottom when you hold it in portrait orientation. As a side effect, when you scroll, at any given moment the top part of the screen has scrolled already, but the bottom part hasn’t. This leads to an illusion - almost completely imperceptible - that the screen has stretched or squashed during scrolling.

On the iPad Mini 6, the screen updates left to right in portrait mode, not top to bottom. This means that when you are scrolling, the left side of the screen has scrolled already, but the right side hasn’t. This leads to a much more obvious illusion that the screen has skewed. It’s the same underlying cause but because it’s at right angles to the scrolling rather than parallel with it, it’s more obvious.

You can see this effect on any non-iPad-mini-6 device by turning your device to landscape and scrolling. Conversely, if you hold your iPad mini 6 in landscape, the effect goes away.

Nobody knows why Apple went with this refresh pattern for the iPad Mini 6 screen.
I think that Apple has begun moving towards marketing iPads as devices mainly used in landscape orientation. The 10th gen iPad being another example with its webcam placement.
 
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Idk why people are making such a big deal out of those. Ever since I saw an article about this years ago, I tried to replicate it but couldn’t, so either you have to be doing something so specific, or it’s barely noticeable. People need to relax

Good for you that you are not seeing it.
For me it was annoying even just scrolling down on macrumors forum. Which is why i returned it.
 
Yeah it is frustrating that they're still clinging to "ProMotion is for Pros only!". I don't expect we'll see 120Hz on any non-Pro device until the Pro iPads start switching to OLED and maybe not even then. They'll milk 60Hz for as long as they possibly can.



If jelly scrolling is just a made-up issue that no one notices, why would they even bother responding to it? Seems to be that Apple does acknowledge it, as they've acknowledged other issues.
They should just keep the pro chips for pro machines
 
It is normal. According to the rumor the effect will still be there, just that it will affect landscape rather than portrait orientation.

It won’t affect landscape as much as it did when it was done in portrait since when they are updating over a shorter distance the scan-out is slower which makes the problem more noticeable. So while it is true that it is normal Apple really make choices in engineering to make it more much noticeable than other devices out there, now they seem to have learned and will fix it.
 
If you want an expensive iPad mini sure…
Amazing how android manufacturers can put in 120hz screens 3+ years ago in inexpensive phones, but Apple can’t do it for less than a $400 up-charge.

When will apologists realize that Apple does this for upsell purposes only? Apple could provide an improved experience for all users, but where is the MAXIMIZED profits in that? :rolleyes:
 
A16 isn’t much of a performance boost over A15, and only tweaking the front camera to go with it? That would be the second least substantial Mini upgrade ever.
To me, A16 would mean more RAM, which is nice tbh. Now we need 128GB as base model ffs
 
So does this mean that people who use their mini mostly in landscape will now have the issue?
 
I keep seeing this repeated over and over and I wonder if it’s published statistics somewhere or if the people even use one or just say what they guess? If you treat it like a big phone. Maybe. But I almost never use portrait mode with mine. The only time I reliably use it is reading books, and for that case I read down the page then flip it. Scrolling just isn’t a problem for me. Anecdotal sure, ymmv, but I wish Macrumors would have a toggle button so you could identify who owns the device they are commenting on or not.
I owned a series of iPad minis starting with the first, non-retina one, but eventually traded in for an iPad Pro. It was just getting a little hard to see doing web browsing on the mini. Not undoable, just not as comfortable. i almost always used the mini in portrait. The iPad Pro is almost always in landscape orientation.

I have admitted that I don’t notice the jelly scrolling effect. It doesn’t conflict with my eyes. But I do believe that it is real and that it bugs those who can see it.
 
To me, A16 would mean more RAM, which is nice tbh. Now we need 128GB as base model ffs

It might, but it might not. The Mini 6 already has an oddball A15 with the 5 core GPU but only 4GB of RAM, and the CPU was downclocked a bit (likely to recover chips that would have been thrown out otherwise). I could see a scenario where it gets A16s with only 4GB.
 
My expectation will be:

- new chip (A16)
- better screen (less jelly scroll effect) still 60hz
Both likely although based on the rumor the jelly scroll will just transfer from portrait to landscape.
- better screen brightness, i hope.
Unlikely as Apple uses screen brightness as one thing to distinguish between Pro and non-Pro. Therefore I don't think that's happening unless they also increase the brightness on the Pro models.
- slimmer bezel
Since iPad mini 6 already was an entire redesign, I would not expect anything more than a spec bump. Certainly nothing that would change the case or display sizes.
- new starting storage config ( 128gb ) i would assume.
Hopefully as 64 GB is just a joke in 2023. On the other hand it already has been a joke when the mini 6 was released in 2021 as they just increased the base storage on the iPhones to 128 GB but skipped that on the non-Pro iPads. So they might as well stay with 64 GB base storage to force more people to buy the more expensive 256 GB version.
- improved cameras ( still single rear camera config )
Probably but personally I don't care about the cameras on an iPad as long as they suffice for scanning QR codes. I have an iPhone for taking pictures while on the go.
- has facetime iD with the front-facing camera orientation will be on the landscape side. (doubt apple will do this)
I'd love to see this happen but think Apple won't do it. :(
- WiFi 6/6E
- BT 5.3
-same battery capacity
Pretty sure that's a safe bet.
features that i want to have on the mini but will not be included were:

- A17 pro (for gaming performace)
- 120hz pro motion or similar refresh rate tech
- OLED screen with 60hz refresh rate (though possible, but doubt it.)
- dual rear cameras (wide and ultrawide)
- bigger battery capacity
Yeah those features all seem unlikely. Especially OLED will be some more years as not even the Pro models have it yet.
- USB 3 USB C port
You do know that the current mini 6 already has USB 3 with 5 Gibt/s?
-magsafe charging
I also think that won't happen, at least not in the way it's done on iPhones. Maybe the Mac version at some point but I'd guess we would see that on some Pro model first.
 
It might, but it might not. The Mini 6 already has an oddball A15 with the 5 core GPU but only 4GB of RAM, and the CPU was downclocked a bit (likely to recover chips that would have been thrown out otherwise). I could see a scenario where it gets A16s with only 4GB.
It could be they do the same thing with the A17 Pro, if they are really having quality issues on that chip for the iPhone.
 
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And the rumor before this said the iPad mini will get an OLED screen - which don’t jelly scroll at all.
So ..... they’re all just rumors
Jelly scrolling absolutely can occur on OLED. It’s not a property of any specific display technology, but rather how nearly all display technologies are refreshed. It doesn’t update all at once, but rather starts at one corner, produces a line, goes to the next line, and repeats this, until it reaches the bottom. Because of this, there will always be some distortion if the underlying image changes mid refresh cycle. It’s particularly noticeable on the iPad mini in portrait mode is because the refresh cycle on the panel is actually optimized for landscape. In landscape, it would be going from top to bottom (or bottom to top, depending on how you orient your iPad), but in portrait it’s going side to side. This creates the so-called jelly scroll effect. Flipping the orientation of the refresh would eliminate the jelly scroll in portrait, though though it would then occur in landscape. The best way to mitigate the problem would be to increase the refresh rate of the display.
 
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