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What we are seeing on the board and elsewhere with the beta, is nothing new. The rhetoric happens every time.

People that are constantly trying to keep up with the Jones' are never going to be satisfied. For many of them, self-worth has gotten wrapped up in Apple products. And when they don't get what they expect, many throw a temper-tantrum and storm off. Good riddance I say. Life is too short for such immaturity and shallowness.

An iPhone is a tool not all manner of being. Some need to remember that.
 
The flat design and colors had me crying in the corner of my bathtub for 3 days. Only the release of Jesus's (Steve Jobs) book in paperback brought me out.:D
 
... No way is this finished. Dalrymple wouldn't be putting a post up like this if what we're seeing now is pretty much final. Same with Rene Ritchie.

The problem is that if you think about all the betas and compare their GM releases, with the exception of a very few surprise features like Siri, they aren't too different. Sure, some small bugs are fixed and maybe a font size or shape of the play button are changed, but functionality and aesthetics are mainly unchanged. If the iOS 7.0 GM is significantly different than the beta released last week, this will be a change in Apple's MO. I'm a fan of the way iOS 7 is btw.
 
John Gruber echos these comments on his blog. He was the one who reported iOS 7 being behind schedule and Apple having to pull OSX engineers to work on it.

http://daringfireball.net/
iOS 7 is so far from done that maybe there is a story here, in that Apple has a mountain of work ahead to get iOS 7 ready for actual release this fall (presumably, coincident with the release of new iPhone and iPad devices). But to judge iOS 7 beta 1 as you would a release version is silly.

Makes me wonder when we will see it.
 
The problem is that if you think about all the betas and compare their GM releases, with the exception of a very few surprise features like Siri, they aren't too different. Sure, some small bugs are fixed and maybe a font size or shape of the play button are changed, but functionality and aesthetics are mainly unchanged. If the iOS 7.0 GM is significantly different than the beta released last week, this will be a change in Apple's MO. I'm a fan of the way iOS 7 is btw.

The theme I'm getting from Apple bloggers (see my post from Gruber) is that iOS 7 is far from finished. These comments along with earlier ones about iOS 7 being behind schedule leads me to believe that perhaps Apple was too ambitious in what they were trying to do in basically 6 months. Maybe there was pressure from Cook and the board, or maybe Federighi and Ive didn't think they could go another year with existing iOS UI. I get the feeling they scrambled to get something presentable for WWDC and this might be a longer beta or a beta that has more changes in it than normal.

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Meanwhile, a member from the Evad3rs team decided to switch to Android
http://www.redmondpie.com/pod2g-con...7-is-the-worst-move-apple-did-in-a-long-time/

Hmmm....why do I get the feeling this person was probably planning to go Android anyway.
 
He should relax himself and not try to stop people from responding to a beta. It lies in the purpose of beta that improvements must be made. Thank god that people, devs or not, are taking their time to comment on the hideous iOS 7.
 
He should relax himself and not try to stop people from responding to a beta. It lies in the purpose of beta that improvements must be made. Thank god that people, devs or not, is taking their time to comment on the hideous iOS 7.

I don't think Jim was referring to beta testers and those reporting bugs to Apple.
 
"I'm moving to Android in protest!!!!" <rant rant, stamp stamp>

Orly? Ah ok, see ya then - let me know how you get on with your protest/boycott :)
 
"I'm moving to Android in protest!!!!" <rant rant, stamp stamp>

Orly? Ah ok, see ya then - let me know how you get on with your protest/boycott :)

What's the point of posting this here? Go to that guy's twitter account and post it there. It's not like anyone in *this thread* has ranted and threatened to move to Android.
 
I don't think Jim was referring to beta testers and those reporting bugs to Apple.

Of course not, but icons and layout plus videos were made public by Apple for everyone to see on the website. People can look at that and are free to judge. I have yet to see a beta that was fundamentally changed before rolling out, so actually there is a lot for people, devs or not, to comment on. In the end Apple can also benefit from that much respond to improve. If so many people complain about inconsistency, very bad color saturation and a bad UI in terms of telling you what to do, there must be something about it.
 
I had switched from the iPhone 5 to the S4 because iOS6 was becoming stale for me, and I was convinced that iOS7 wouldn't be all that great. When it was announced, I switched back to the iPhone and I love iOS7. I'm not sure where everyone is getting all these battery issues because my phone is on par with the S4 and I get a full day out of using my phone. Android has its own issues and you realize that when you switch. Quality for the apps are nearly night and day, and unless you root or have a nexus phone, you have a skin bogging down what would be a lovely OS. On top of that, android isn't optimized, and that becomes apparent real quick also.


The point I'm trying to make is: You can switch, but if you're switching because you're not happy with a BETA OS....you're going to regret it.


Of course not, but icons and layout plus videos were made public by Apple to everyone on the website. People can look at that and are free to judge. I have yet to see a beta that was fundamentally changed before rolling out, so actually there is a lot for people, devs or not, to comment on. In the end Apple can also benefit from that much respond to improve. If so many people complain about inconsistency, very bad color saturation and a bad UI in terms of telling you what to do, there must be something about it.

You also have to remember that that OS remained largely unchanged for six years. There was no need to drastically change a beta because there wasn't a drastic change to tweak, fix and improve on in the first place.
 
There has been a time when iOS changed a bit before the release in terms of design. iOS 5 is a GREAT example of this, beta 1 dealt with notifications in a non bubble way on the lockscreen ALSO The Reminders app icon also changed in beta 2. In beta 1 it said "Milk, Eggs, and Bread" I believe. I personally don't see Apple changing all the icons in iOS 7
 
I personally don't see Apple changing all the icons in iOS 7

They don't need to change all of them, just some of them. Especially the "settings" icon. I'm always afraid to touch it because it looks like I'm putting my finger into a grinder of some sort.
 
They don't need to change all of them, just some of them. Especially the "settings" icon. I'm always afraid to touch it because it looks like I'm putting my finger into a grinder of some sort.

Then maybe people should say that to Apple, instead I am hearing things generalizing the WHOLE UI...and ALL the icons...not one lick of praise for the new icons, all I hear is negativity...
 
They don't need to change all of them, just some of them. Especially the "settings" icon. I'm always afraid to touch it because it looks like I'm putting my finger into a grinder of some sort.

See now. This I don't understand. Why are some icons silver and black while others are pastel colors.

There needs to be better continuity.

Hopefully it will come.
 
See now. This I don't understand. Why are some icons silver and black while others are pastel colors.

There needs to be better continuity.

Hopefully it will come.

Muse be a hangover from previous versions. Settings icon was silver in iOS 6. Just like certain icons in the share sheet were silver and others were colored. Would be nice to see some consistency there.
 
iOS 7 has a completely different UI that was completed in roughly 6 months.

Ordinarily I skip over these types of claims as bs, but I've seen you post it at least two maybe three times now. So you must have some basis -- would you please link the source because I'd like to read more about it.
 
Yeah I was a little surprised by that.

Why? They've had an equivalent of this page up since at least iOS 4 (possibly before, but my memory isn't serving me too well). That they'd do it again this year is no surprise at all.
 
What do you mean it wasn't meant for me! I'm an uniformed and entitled end user, I paid my money, and I get to piss and moan all I want. I install the Beta, it doesn't work perfectly, and I get to get hysterical about it...because I paid my money for access.

Some nerve...not meant for me, indeed!:mad:

It is not meant for you. That's as simple as it gets.

You're an end user, not a developer. And if you paid money, you didn't pay money to use the beta operating system, you paid money to become a registered developer and have the ability to submit your apps to the app store. If you paid a company other than Apple to register your UDID, then you have actually paid to be able to test the company you paid's apps.

You install the beta, it doesn't work properly, you are NOT entitled to get hysterical, piss or moan about it as it is unfinished pre-release software. There will be bugs and these bugs and comments should be reported to Apple using the developer site (which you should know, being a developer and all).

Too many end users with no common sense whatsoever using the beta version is giving iOS7 a bad reputation it does not deserve.
 
There's a good chance that quite a bit of the OS can change between now and release, people are not realising that this is a major change over previous versions, so because not much changed in previous betas, does not apply here.
 
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