Jim Dalrymple on iOS 7: Take a deep breath and relax

[Binarymix]

If anyone is an ACTUAL developer like I am you can SEE how the icons go together by watching the video about UI, and designing apps for iOS 7. It covers the default icons, and you'd be surprised at how it actually fits together. People WILL upgrade to iOS 7, and regardless of the people "boycotting" the adoption rate will still overthrow competition. Stop being butthurt over the icons and go switch to another mobile OS, or better yet a basic phone with ZERO apps or features, maybe that will get you to appreciate what you had with Apple.

You're a developer, not a designer. Stop being butthurt over people's comments on UI design who actually see what they use and not the underlying code.

How many good apps fail to become popular because the icon, and GUI suck?

A Lot.

The people who like the icons obviously do not have an ounce of design ability.

As ios7 stands now, it's a visual mess. Half the icons don't even use the same gradient nor light source, it's visually confusing to the eye.

 

[sracer]

I've seen similar comments from Rene Ritchie over at imore.com. Perhaps some of these clued in bloggers know something we don't know? Especially ones who are under the NDA. I personally wish this beta wasn't so public. Having developers only do testing might not be the best answer but it seems like a lot of people are running this software that probably shouldn't be and are forming opinions based on an unfinished product. The several of the rumors prior to WWDC said iOS 7 was behind schedule. I'm sure Apple pushed to have something they could demo for WWDC. Doesn't mean things won't change between now and when it ships. Just because that may not have happened in the past doesn't mean it can't happen this time.

Don’t worry about iOS 7

Why are you so concerned about what people think of iOS7? Do you own Apple stock? Work for Apple?

 

[BaldiMac]

From the time they started on iOS, to the time Jobs showed it off publicly, was exactly one year.

Based on what? The Businessweek profile of Forstall a couple years ago implied that development started in 2005.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...y-origins-of-ios-and-lost-iphone-4-prototype/

 

[chekz0414]

You're a developer, not a designer. Stop being butthurt over people's comments on UI design who actually see what they use and not the underlying code.

How many good apps fail to become popular because the icon, and GUI suck?

A Lot.

The people who like the icons obviously do not have an ounce of design ability.

As ios7 stands now, it's a visual mess. Half the icons don't even use the same gradient nor light source, it's visually confusing to the eye.

YES THEY DO, If YOU are a developer I suggest you watch the video on UI design elements of 7.0, as I posted elsewhere due to NDA I cannot provide you the image, but I gave a response in a similar thread About the UI design and thought process.

 

[Orlandoech]

YES THEY DO, If YOU are a developer I suggest you watch the video on UI design elements of 7.0, as I posted elsewhere due to NDA I cannot provide you the image, but I gave a response in a similar thread About the UI design and thought process.

Calm down killer. It will be ok.

 

[Night Spring]

If anyone is an ACTUAL developer like I am you can SEE how the icons go together by watching the video about UI, and designing apps for iOS 7. It covers the default icons, and you'd be surprised at how it actually fits together.

If people need to watch a video to appreciate how the icons and UI all fit together, then they are doing it wrong.

 

[cjmillsnun]

That's because ALL of the icons ARE HIDEOUS.

The colour scheme is god awful, and the glyphs on the icons are just as bad.

OK Flatten the UI all you want, but you still need buttons and depth of field (bevels, shadows) for any GUI to actually work and make sense. iOS7 as it stands is a HIG disaster.

Steve Jobs must be rolling in his grave, if not trying to dig his way out and make heads roll at Apple HQ.

Oh stop with the Steve must be xxxxxxx or it wouldn't happen under Steve... It's bollocks. Many things that shocked people were done under Steve.

OS X for one. People bitched and whined about it calling it's UI juvenile against OS 8 and OS 9's. They adapted. The same fricking thing will happen here.

 

[Risco]

What people have to bear in mind is that that work only really started in October time, right when Scott Forstall was outed for good. Apples only mistake was leaving it as long as they did to make the change.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Why are you so concerned about what people think of iOS7? Do you own Apple stock? Work for Apple?

Perhaps like I am he's pissed off with the same old crap.

Apple makes it look the same - It lacks innovation

Apple changes things. It's the fricking end of the world.


FFS it happens every bloody time

 

[chekz0414]

If people need to watch a video to appreciate how the icons and UI all fit together, then they are doing it wrong.

Not necessarily, a common person knows nothing about UI, that is how iOS came to just be accepted, it was the first mobile OS for it's kind, and the UI was standard, I am pretty sure had iOS began like how 7.0 looks today and then 7.0 released with iOS 6 UI, people would be outraged over icons and textures etc. No one is doing it wrong, people just aren't appreciative of the work Apple has put in, there are MANY great API's available, and the UI is also elegant, and less clunky. Content is shown and not so obscure. We Developers are looking forward to this release, and I am sure consumers will be just as excited.

 

[Binarymix]

YES THEY DO, If YOU are a developer I suggest you watch the video on UI design elements of 7.0, as I posted elsewhere due to NDA I cannot provide you the image, but I gave a response in a similar thread About the UI design and thought process.

Just because the elements within the icon backdrop (glyphs/symbols) adhere to a grid, does not mean the icon is designed properly.

You have to take into account, colour tones, highlights, drop shadows, light sources.

ALL of these elements have to co-mingle to make a great icon/photo/design.

The icons and GUI elements, as they stand now, do not follow any coherent guideline, and are definitely not attractive visually.

But, what do I know.

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Oh stop with the Steve must be xxxxxxx or it wouldn't happen under Steve... It's bollocks. Many things that shocked people were done under Steve.

OS X for one. People bitched and whined about it calling it's UI juvenile against OS 8 and OS 9's. They adapted. The same fricking thing will happen here.

Steve however had a sense of design, and knew what worked.

The morons who came up with this new GUI obviously do not.

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Not necessarily, a common person knows nothing about UI, that is how iOS came to just be accepted, it was the first mobile OS for it's kind, and the UI was standard, I am pretty sure had iOS began like how 7.0 looks today and then 7.0 released with iOS 6 UI, people would be outraged over icons and textures etc. No one is doing it wrong, people just aren't appreciative of the work Apple has put in, there are MANY great API's available, and the UI is also elegant, and less clunky. Content is shown and not so obscure. We Developers are looking forward to this release, and I am sure consumers will be just as excited.

The common person doesn't need to know about UI, because a good UI will mimic real world scenarios, such as buttons to be pushed.

Consumers don't care about API's!

They just want it to work, and look good while doing so, in most every case!


Some developers remind me of hardcore gamers who don't give a **** about aesthetics, but only what the internals of their rig can do!

 

[phpmaven]

This is what a lot us have been saying to try and stem the tide of mass hysteria, but it should mean a lot more coming from Jim Dalrymple. I especially love his last 2 bulleted comments.

Wow I just read the comment above mine, and I guess some people just don't get it.

 

[sracer]

Perhaps like I am he's pissed off with the same old crap.

Apple makes it look the same - It lacks innovation

Apple changes things. It's the fricking end of the world.

FFS it happens every bloody time

And even though it "happens every bloody time" you still get pissed off? Do you get equally pissed off by those who blindly swoon over everything that Apple does? Do you also get pissed off over the incessant speculation?

 

[Night Spring]

Not necessarily, a common person knows nothing about UI, that is how iOS came to just be accepted, it was the first mobile OS for it's kind, and the UI was standard, I am pretty sure had iOS began like how 7.0 looks today and then 7.0 released with iOS 6 UI, people would be outraged over icons and textures etc. No one is doing it wrong, people just aren't appreciative of the work Apple has put in, there are MANY great API's available, and the UI is also elegant, and less clunky. Content is shown and not so obscure. We Developers are looking forward to this release, and I am sure consumers will be just as excited.

Yes, I understand that iOS 7 has great new APIs that developers are all excited about, but what does that have to do with the new icons and UI? The new APIs would still work if the icons looked like they do in iOS 6.

And what I was trying to say is that icons and UI should look good to the common person who knows nothing about UI design. If you have to explain to the common person why the icon *should* look good, you've failed.

Yes, some of the criticism against iOS 7 stems from knee-jerk resistance to change. But personally, I've tried to approach it with an open mind, but the new UI literally gives me headaches, because so many visual elements are now much harder to see. My only hope is that it *is* beta, and maybe they will fix it before it gets to public release.

 

[darngooddesign]

...As ios7 stands now, it's a visual mess. Half the icons don't even use the same gradient nor light source, it's visually confusing to the eye.

iOS6's icons are inconsistent as well. Many of the icons use the glare, but quite a few do not.

 

[cjmillsnun]

And even though it "happens every bloody time" you still get pissed off? Do you get equally pissed off by those who blindly swoon over everything that Apple does? Do you also get pissed off over the incessant speculation?

To quote Jim... "Yup"

 

[iOSOS]

I've seen similar comments from Rene Ritchie over at imore.com. Perhaps some of these clued in bloggers know something we don't know? Especially ones who are under the NDA. I personally wish this beta wasn't so public. Having developers only do testing might not be the best answer but it seems like a lot of people are running this software that probably shouldn't be and are forming opinions based on an unfinished product. The several of the rumors prior to WWDC said iOS 7 was behind schedule. I'm sure Apple pushed to have something they could demo for WWDC. Doesn't mean things won't change between now and when it ships. Just because that may not have happened in the past doesn't mean it can't happen this time.

Don’t worry about iOS 7

I am sure they will work on the overall design going further. The new design language in iOS 7 needs time to polish. Having said that. The iOS 7 icons and some other areas in iOS 7 are not a difficult design project. Designers does not write code, they hand over graphic design samples to engineers for implementation. In the end you might fine tune some elements when they are implemented and you interact with them. The overall graphic application framework was finished a long time ago. The designers would have had time to polish them.