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I agree with you...I just started working with Logic 8 and I gotta tell you...i'm pretty impressed. Plus I know it will work with the upgrade. I am so sick of Digidesign taking like 3-6 months to "qualify" an OS. Don't they get the SDKs? The only problem is of course, most major studios in LA use protools and that omf importer that Digi sells is expensive.

Or you could find companies that don't bend you over like Waves and Digidesign do. That's one of the biggest reasons I dumped both of those companies years ago.
 
don't be so sure about that. they've said that they have four areas: Computers, MP3 players, Phone, and Living room (Apple TV being a hobby project).

i think they've managed to balance all four relatively well this year so far and i expect the same from now on. each getting its own time to shine.

Apple says a lot of stuff. To take what they say at face value is silly (not saying you did, just saying "in general").
What they've said about 4 areas of focus represent today (or even yesterday). I suspect those lines will blur over the next decade.

Again, rethink what it means to develop, manufacture, market, sell and use personal computing tools. It is changing at an exponential rate.

2014 will be nothing like 1984. ;)
 
No matter what...

people want to say about Vista, this article is definitely a "hit-piece". If this article was this biased in favor of Windows, everyone would be up in arms.

Example 1: "On Friday, Apple will start selling the new Leopard version of its OS X operating system, which has a range of features that in some cases match those in Windows Vista and in others surpass them."

This makes it appear that there are no features of Vista that aren't in Mac OS X, which simply isn't true.

Example 2: "That pace suggests that Apple will continue to move more quickly than Microsoft, which took almost seven years between the release of its Windows XP and Windows Vista operating systems."

XP Release: Oct 2001
Vista Business Release: Nov 2006
General Release: Jan 2007

Sure it's a long time, but that's not even close to SIX years, so how could it be "almost seven". Plus, there were free service packs that added functionality in between, not just bug fixes. For a respected news outlet like the NY Times, this kind of biased and untrue reporting is unacceptable.

There is also an overall failure to realize that steady updates just means more money. If Z operating system meets your needs now, why does it matter what the developer is doing to add new features (other than bug/security updates).
 
Apple says a lot of stuff. To take what they say at face value is silly.

2014 will be nothing like 1984. ;)

I still hope we have hoverboards, and flying cars, flexible tv screens, aeroponic fruit gardens in the kitchen, no dust covers, and have outlawed lawyers in 2015... like Zemeckis predicted. Anything less is disappointment.
 
The pace of OSX updates has consistently slowed:

10.0 3/24/01
10.1 9/25/01 (6 months)
10.2 8/23/02 (11 months)
10.3 10/24/03 (14 months)
10.4 4/29/05 (18 months)
10.5 10/26/07 (30 months)

I'm with the people who don't think we'll see 10.6 until 2010, which is 26 months away. Although the end of 2009 seems possible. I also think we'll see 10.6 either well before the next Windows release, or soon afterwards (for marketing reasons).

I think it will be 18-24 months and less time than Leopard.

A lot of the hard stuff that underpins OSX has been completed or near completed.

-64 bit
-resolution independence
-security (ASLR, sandboxing)
-File system (ZFS integration coming on strong)
-AutoFS, much better multicore support, UNIX cert etc)

With all this stuff in place you have a relatively future proof OS that enables Apple to really go to town on features and end user improvements. ZFS could be a revelation with Apples grubby mits on the GUI for instance.

I also think we will see PowerPC support dropped. I hope they do so anyway, though the 3 years since the last G5 to 10.6 might be too much of a bitter pill to swallow. I just feel that the sooner Apple drops that platform the better. Easier for support, frees up development resources etc.
 
I didn't go through all the posts, but Steve also hints that the next releases of Mac OS X would probably offer some sort of interface using the multi-touch technology.

Indeed, many of the new features in the Leopard operating system version are incremental improvements. But Mr. Jobs said he was struck by the success of the multitouch interface that is at the heart of the iPhone version of the OS X.

This is something they've been planning for quite some time if you follow not only the patent filings but the product evolution. They have been experimenting with capacitance-sensing input devices for a while... the Mighty Mouse, the new MacBook trackpad with two-fingered scrolling, etc. The iPhone is just their first "toe in the water" with a full blown interface being controlled via multitouch input.

There have also been systematic enhancements coming gradually, like Coverflow, which hint at a definite strategy to migrate to a multitouch input. This of course would not entirely eliminate other input options, just as the mouse did not eliminate the keyboard, but it would offer users a new dimension of input and physics-based feedback (i.e. an interface that "reacts" to your multitouch input the way you would expect real objects to... elastic lists, scroll-flick momentum, etc.) to provide the user with many layers of information during your interaction with the technology.

Apple's goal has always been to make transparent the technology in between the user and the application/function. This facilitates the most productive, most comfortable, user experience when you are interacting with a machine in a way that is most familiar to you, rather than having to conform to input standards that are most familiar to and convenient for the machine but not intuitive or instinctive to us.

Be on the lookout in the next three years for many other types of multitouch devices from Apple. EvangeList founder and Apple Fellow Guy Kawasaki's statement about Apple's success holds true... they succeed simply because they know how to make "cool stuff that people want". Multitouch is in the fold as a technology so intuitive, organic and elegant that, unlike many other technologies at work today, makes us feel like we really, truly are living in the 21st century.

Check out this demonstration by Perceptive Pixel to see what larger-scale multitouch surfaces can do. The first thing that came to my mind was the Pre-Crime computer in "Minority Report." The technology in this demo is fundamentally the same and as real as the technology in the iPhone interface. We'll see everything from gaming simulation to medical diagnostics taking advantage of these types of interfaces over the next 3-5 years.

It's what we call a game-changer... it redefines the industry in a way that there's no turning back from. This will become the standard interface of the future against which others will be measured, just like the desktop interface as Macintosh defined it twenty years ago.
 
10.0 3/24/01

I remember having some version of OSX in 2000, because I spent all Thanksgiving/Christmas entering all my CDs into iTunes. I think that date is off... I remember Apple already making a huge deal of OSX in 1999 and it was postponed slightly into late 1999 or 2000.
 
I remember having some version of OSX in 2000, because I spent all Thanksgiving/Christmas entering all my CDs into iTunes. I think that date is off... I remember Apple already making a huge deal of OSX in 1999 and it was postponed slightly into late 1999 or 2000.

Was that a public beta? The Beta was released in Sept 2000, and OS X Server 1.0 in 1999.
 
Was that a public beta?

It might have been. I just can't remember the specifics of how it became available. Thought I got it with a Mac Tower i purchased that year.

OSX was hell to get used to at first. Since I used OS 7,8,9 for a decade OSX seemed totally alien. About 2 weeks later I was so enthralled by the function and style that I couldn't stand to look at OS9 any more.

Staggering Brilliant OS.
 
I remember having some version of OSX in 2000, because I spent all Thanksgiving/Christmas entering all my CDs into iTunes. I think that date is off... I remember Apple already making a huge deal of OSX in 1999 and it was postponed slightly into late 1999 or 2000.

The official public release was on said date.
 
10.6

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that while OS X 10.6 may or may not wow us with new user features, I think it will have drastic "under the hood changes":

(1) no more PPC support. The Intel transition was completed on Aug. 7, 2006. Allowing for additional time to eliminate overstock or refurbed PPC Macs, There should be no further Apple Care support required for PPC Macs by the end of 2009. This would justify (from a corporate perspective), dropping PPC support in the OS. Besides, even the last shipping PPC Macs will be able to run one more OS (10.5) than the last one with which they shipped (10.4). This eliminates any argument about inability to upgrade after purchase.

(2) no more or at most minimalistic support for running Carbon Apps. Although I do not claim any expertise in this field, from my general understanding of OS X, I think this will be completely gone by OS X 10.7 (or whatever it will be named) and perhaps as early as 10.6.

(3) no more Rosetta emulation. I think Apple will eliminate Rosetta support at the same time it eliminates support for Carbon apps.

(4) new zfs filesystem, including boot partition. I anticipate Apple may migrate to zfs during a minor update to Leopard (Apple filed a patent concerning transitioning from one file system to another--ZFS, I think--a while back), but I expect full support in 10.6.

Obviously, this is just speculation, but based on Apple's past track record, I think this is probable.

Also, Apple upgrading every 18-24 months seems very realistic in light of Intel's Tick-Tock model of architecture upgrades every 24 months.

Apple is in the same boat with keeping PPC and Carbon apps running natively on the MacOS X kernel, but that hasn't gotten out of hand yet. Last gen software compatibility always involves some tradeoffs, even for Apple. But running DOS/Win3.1 compatibility is more like Classic for Apple; removing this type of backwards compatibility doesn't make the core OS even a whit more stable, because the individual applications aren't running natively on the kernel anyway. They can't even talk directly to the hardware. Very safe.

For MS, there is no good reason to drop compatibility with these really old apps, and for newer apps, which do give them problems, well they feel like they can't drop compatibility with them. Apple's dropping Classic is really just out of meanness and disdain for their traditional base of Mac users and for the old OS. There is no technical advantage to having done so, not even a monetary one (cost almost nothing to keep it around). Dropping Rosetta support and Carbon however might actually help the core OS in lots of ways, but like MS, I am sure Apple doesn't feel like they could get away with that.
 
Vienna could be the code name for the next windows, but windows 7 is referring to the version number, I.E. Xp is 5.1, and Vista is 6
Somewhere on 2005 someone from Micorosft said that it works on OS named BlackBomb, that could be launched somewhere about 2008 and will expose "completely different approach to user interface". I heard this sentence a lot of times since 95 was released. I heard it about 98, some ghost OS between 98 and 2000, I heard it about 2000 and about Vista. Logically and visually XP and Vista is a good old 95.
So, they said that Vista will be a short-live transition OS between XP and blackbomb. After it they called BlackBomb Vienna, and now it's called Windows 7. Looking at 5 OSes and recent 12 years of MS history, I suppose that windows 7 it'll be a slightly improved Vista.
There are countless rumors about new MS operation systems, secret laboratories working on a completely new interfaces, etc.. MS wastes about 6B$ annually on R&D.
So, I have only one question. Where all that amazing stuff???
 
I gladly pay my $129 every 12-18 month as long as Apple keeps innovating as they do.
I have been happy with each upgrade since 10.2 came out.
Can't wait to have my official copy of 10.5
 
I may be in the minority here, but my first impression of OS X was that it was gaudy and goofy looking, and almost unusable (lacking in features and extremely buggy). 10.1 was the first version I thought was acceptable as a main OS, and 10.2 was the first version I'd say was good (and it was great).
 
If your not happy with shelling out $120+ every year on a OS update, then don't. Simple really

SJ isn't standing behind you with a magnum pointed into your back forcing you to go into a Apple store and pick up a copy is he?


Oh problem is apple does force obsolet on its older OS. They drop all major support for it very quickly, and you will noticed how quickly software devs stop providing support for it. Windows on the other had still it is easy to get new software all the way back to windows 2000. (windows 9.x on new stuff has thank god almost died off) Plus M$ supports its OS longer. XP has major support though summer of 09. Traditionally M$ supports its OS 3 or so years after it been replaced. XP was not a true replacement for 2000.

Also with apple very fast releases of OS it never stand a chance in IT and on those system. IT guys are paid to be paranoid about the computer network. They move slowly because they have to. They do not like change and I can not say I blame them. I would be the same way if I was maintain a huge network of computers. It took them a very long time just to move to windows 2000 and also up to XP. Also it takes them a while to install new SP because they want to make sure it will not break anything and they know how to deal with it.

Due to M$ raw size they can not move as fast as Apple. They have to be slower and they are force to legacy support. It hurts. Also I like M$ slower pace on new OS's. Mind you the 6 years between XP and Vista was way to long. XP was really showing it age and was being force to do things it was never designed to handle. I like a 3 year cycle. It gives a 1-1.5 years to be adopted. Then 1.5-2 years of it it being in use and allowing things to just be made better. And on top of that new software is comes out that will work on the older OS during that 1-1.5 adoption time span. Compare that with apple. By the time the adaption time is over the next OS is already out and then of course the drop of support happens in the first 6months hurts as well.

I think it is very clear apple does not and never intends to try to move in to the business side and does not intend to be a major player.
 
$129 isn't bad for what you get. I own a Mac because I want the bleeding edge and not yesterday's technology like Vista/XP or some Linux distribution that copies Windows 95.
 
My Prediction for 10.6

For better, or worse (and I support the 'better' camp), AGREED.

[...edited...]

Fact is, iPhones, tablets and the like all represent where personal computing is headed. Lighter, more mobile, more personal devices will be Apple's focus the next decade. And it should be.

I think the next big Mac hardware advance is going to be small multi-touch tablets - that is an 12" iBook sized notebook with no keyboard. Apple, with the iPhone and the new iPod Touch are training legions of users to use this new interface on a relatively simple device (simple compared to a full sized computer).

When there is enough of a user-base of people who are comfortable using the multi-touch, they will introduce the tablets. Anyone using the iPhone and iPod Touch will find the transition easy, and will be the early adopters to iron out the GUI bugs. They will also be the ones who will convince and teach those of use who might find moving from a keyboard/mouse notebook to a multi-touch tablet too much.

Apple introduced the iTunes interface for a simple task, and have now expanded it to more areas after people got used to the change.

This prediction and $1.00 will get you a cup of coffee, somewhere I'm sure.
 
That must be a lot of manpower to release a new OS every 12-18 months. Keep them coming. We love new features!!
It has been 30 months since Tiger was released so I wonder how they can take it down to 12-18 months. 18-24 months sounds reasonable, and now with OS X being UNIX, not UNIX based, I am guessing their focus will be less on visual effects and more on developing/improving frameworks. The two items I see getting the most attention are ZFS and Clang.
 
Which upgrade to any OS, ever, would you describe as "staggeringly brilliant"?

It appears Leopard represents the most significant OS upgrade since 9 to X.
Seriously, I have seen little (save Exposé) in OS X upgrades that have proven revolutionary or significant. Leopard appears the exception.
 
I really can't wait for Windows: codename 7. The little that's known about it is a new or redefined GUI (whatever), but also that it's not going to be holding on to the Windows legacy. This means, it could actually be built off of a Linux kernel with NT6 virtualized for compatibility. This means.. better memory management, better security, and better..well, just about everything. and then who knows what you can do? IF MS can pull it off, then Apple will have something to watch out for.. and I really hope they can, I HATE the dock!

I so rt of wonder where they came up with Windows 7 as a code name. Does it show that people at MS can't count?
Windows 1, 2, 3 (and 3.11), 95, ME, 98, XP and Vista seem to be 8, and I didn't bother with the NT and 2000 flavors. :)
No, it just shows that you're completely clueless :p
 
I sort of wonder where they came up with Windows 7 as a code name. Does it show that people at MS can't count?
Windows 1, 2, 3 (and 3.11), 95, ME, 98, XP and Vista seem to be 8, and I didn't bother with the NT and 2000 flavors. :)
I think Vista has been such a flop that they don't want to count it! :eek:
 
It has been 30 months since Tiger was released so I wonder how they can take it down to 12-18 months.

Probably they consider Tiger for Intel to be a major release also. Steve has mentioned this in (I think) 2 of his keynotes.
 
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