Jobs: Leopard Will Anchor Product Schedule For A Decade

Every 12-18 months is great news. I suspect 10.6 will be 18 months, but who knows.

I think Apple is slowly moving us towards a new UI experience, with multi-touch leading the way.
 
Stella said:
Why do people still go on about the 'secret features'?

All was revealed in WWDC.. there are NO secret features.
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THANK YOU!

I was getting a little tired of the "But what are the secret features?" questions that keep showing up in the Leopard threads. Were people not paying attention to the last few Keynotes?!
 
notjustjay said:
THANK YOU!

I was getting a little tired of the "But what are the secret features?" questions that keep showing up in the Leopard threads. Were people not paying attention to the last few Keynotes?!
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Probably because most people (on this forum anyways) knew about the secret features long before the Keynotes, therefore they were not really secret. Expectations had been raised.
 
notjustjay said:
THANK YOU!

I was getting a little tired of the "But what are the secret features?" questions that keep showing up in the Leopard threads. Were people not paying attention to the last few Keynotes?!
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I think you know the answer to that one ;-) .
 
citi said:
I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not. While I love the fact Apple is really investing in their future, a major release every year and a half means that I (as a music producer) potentially need to pay for new Protools software, plug-ins, (don't tell me waves isn't going to capitalize on this) potentially new hardware and have to fear that some of my programs will just stop working. And yes, I can of course just not upgrade, but what can I say, Apple makes great products.
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every major linux distro release 1 or 2 times each year.

the thing is, you don't need to use each release, you can skip whenever you want.

apple just need to make it free. lol
 
ChrisA said:
It's not really a "new OS". It is still the same old BSD unix inside and then some "user land" applications on top. They make some changes and additions to those user land applications. The process goes on continuously. The big question for Apple is how often to package it up as a release. I think they have to ask how often they can ask their users to pay up $129. If you hit them up every 12 moths maybe only a third will upgrade, with a longer upgrade interval you can collect up more changes and maybe get a higher fraction of your users to pay for the upgrade. It's all about maximizing the return they get.
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It is not the "same old BSD Unix".Since certification one could call it Apple Unix.
 
ChrisA said:
It's not really a "new OS". It is still the same old BSD unix inside and then some "user land" applications on top. They make some changes and additions to those user land applications. The process goes on continuously. The big question for Apple is how often to package it up as a release. I think they have to ask how often they can ask their users to pay up $129. If you hit them up every 12 moths maybe only a third will upgrade, with a longer upgrade interval you can collect up more changes and maybe get a higher fraction of your users to pay for the upgrade. It's all about maximizing the return they get.
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The BSD Unix underneath is a minority of the software supporting the modern environment. It's a mistake to split the Mac OS into "Unix core" and "user land applications" as you have done; this ignores the substantial layer between the two, the Mac APIs like Cocoa. Major new Mac API features in each release support the end-user banner features like Spotlight or Time Machine.
 
brianus said:
Uh.. what? That was the pace back in 2002-2005. The Tiger-Leopard transition took 30 months. What is he talking about?
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The Tiger to leopard transition took place in the middle of the PPC to Intel transition and the lunch of the iPhone/iTouch platform launch. They not only had to polish up Tiger to run right on Intel but also had to launch a new mobile version of OS X.
 
The only thing I see that may pose a problem is the software you're using, after a certain update (see World of Warcraft) will FORCE you, every 18 months, to spend $120 dollars on an upgraded OS because of the "new features" it can use, etc. etc.

You're pretty much paying $6.66/mo to keep using your apps.
 
aristotle said:
The Tiger to leopard transition took place in the middle of the PPC to Intel transition and the lunch of the iPhone/iTouch platform launch. They not only had to polish up Tiger to run right on Intel but also had to launch a new mobile version of OS X.
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I would like to know how much energy each linux distro developers has spend for PPC version, such that they can actually release twice each year?

ibwb said:
The BSD Unix underneath is a minority of the software supporting the modern environment. It's a mistake to split the Mac OS into "Unix core" and "user land applications" as you have done; this ignores the substantial layer between the two, the Mac APIs like Cocoa. Major new Mac API features in each release support the end-user banner features like Spotlight or Time Machine.
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lets drop out the Unix part of OSX then, see how much apple has left.
Shanesan said:
The only thing I see that may pose a problem is the software you're using, after a certain update (see World of Warcraft) will FORCE you, every 18 months, to spend $120 dollars on an upgraded OS because of the "new features" it can use, etc. etc.

You're pretty much paying $6.66/mo to keep using your apps.
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This is indeed a shame, "soft" forcing users to upgrade is ugly.
 
I get a lot of spinning wheel when opening and closing simple applications (iPhoto, safari, word). Nothing bad usually happens, it just takes a really long time. Do you think it will get better with Leopard?
 
darthraige said:
"...that the next Windows release, code-named Windows 7, may not come until 2010."

We can only imagine what Apple will have out by then...
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There was a time when 2010 sounded like the "cars flying" future (still does, actually). But it's only 2 years away...
I don't suspect Apple will be looking that much different then than it does now.
 
you know... sometimes i miss the good ol' days of MacOS 9... no MP3 player application, no webcam, IE 5 or Netscape 6, Appleworks, Bugdom... sigh...

when Mac OS 10.0 public beta came out it was shocking! everything was different... i remember it freaking me out a little, so i switched back to OS 9...

does anyone remember when 10.1 was released and it was a free upgrade? i went to "the apple reseller" store here (there was no apple stores at the time) and i had to sign some paper for the free Mac OS 10.1 upgrade... why was it a free upgrad again?
 
JMax1 said:
I get a lot of spinning wheel when opening and closing simple applications (iPhoto, safari, word). Nothing bad usually happens, it just takes a really long time. Do you think it will get better with Leopard?
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i don't see why, unless you think Tiger is supposed to have so many beachballs.

I suspect its a result of apple's crappy patches.

So if you do a clean installation of leopard, you will probably see a good improvement, but after 3 patches, when you get 10.5.4, it will back to what you have now, as far as beachball is concerned :D

does anyone remember when 10.1 was released and it was a free upgrade? i went to "the apple reseller" store here (there was no apple stores at the time) and i had to sign some paper for the free Mac OS 10.1 upgrade... why was it a free upgrad again?
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because 10.0 was intolerably slow.
 
brianus said:
Uh.. what? That was the pace back in 2002-2005. The Tiger-Leopard transition took 30 months. What is he talking about?
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Steve has counted the Intel transistion as an OS release/development cycle in the past which makes it roughly every 12-15 months.
 
oct 27th - "where's lion?" threads birthdate

i just hope apple focuses on the mac in 2008. 07 for obvious reasons saw a little bit of ignoring of the computer line up. personally, i'd love to see the addition of the 12" macbook/subnotebook. but getting the macpro with the new chips due out soon with a graphics card update to boot. couldn't argue. hopefully macworld will signal in 2008 as the year of the mac!! :apple::apple::apple:
 
ibwb said:
The BSD Unix underneath is a minority of the software supporting the modern environment. It's a mistake to split the Mac OS into "Unix core" and "user land applications" as you have done; this ignores the substantial layer between the two, the Mac APIs like Cocoa. Major new Mac API features in each release support the end-user banner features like Spotlight or Time Machine.
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For the point I was making it does not matter how you split it up. What Apple calls "Mac OS X" is a collection of mostly independent parts most of these, as you say some of the parts are common libraries, some are user level application programs, most parts are very lightly "coupled". So they are able to make hundreds of mostly unrelated and independent changes. Because they are mostly uncoupled Apple can decide which to include in any new Mac OS release. This was my main point: Apple can decide. If the changes were tightly coupled then they'd have less choice in what to release. They'd have to finish everything before they could release anything. But it's not that way. They can make the decision based on economics and marketing not so much on technical grounds
 
wattage said:
That must be a lot of manpower to release a new OS every 12-18 months. Keep them coming. We love new features!!
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Consider that when Jobs said Apple would be slowing down on OS development they were still secretly working on the Intel version. Also consider that during Leopard development they were creating essentially 2 other OSX variants (i.e. one for the AppleTV and one for iPhone and iPod Touch).

Now consider that Apple is freed-up to have one development team work on the current next generation OSX (10.5) while another team works on the next one after that (10.6). When 10.6 hits beta you can bet 10.7 will be in the works. :D
 
clevin said:
.. you will probably see a good improvement, but after 3 patches, when you get 10.5.4, it will back to what you have now,...
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Do you have a theory about why updates to Tiger cause programs to load slower? Would be interesting to hear it.

How is "clean install" different? Seriously. Look at the files on the disk and tell me what's different.
 
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