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If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.

Yes, Movistar Spain allows tethering to any device/computer you can come up with, for free, and without data caps/limits.
I know this is not the situation in the US (and not sure about Canada where you seem to be), but that shouldn't cause problems to me, in Europe.
 
The thing is other than on a car trip were Im not the driver I don't see a place that when i take my iPad there isn't wifi. Book stores , coffee shops, other houses , heck even McDonalds has FREE wifi.
 
If he's really answering these (which i'm pretty sure he is because no one else but him would be so blunt) it rather amusing.

For a total ego maniac I think it's sweat. :)
 
Yes, Movistar Spain allows tethering to any device/computer you can come up with, for free, and without data caps/limits.

LOL, North Americans can only wish . . .


Let's throw it back to Apple, if that makes some of you happy. If Apple has a (more expensive) 3G model, why allow tethering on the less-expensive wifi model? It's not evil, it's business. I wish it were different, as a consumer, but Apple *knows* the iPad will be huge and that demand will be high. I'd do the same thing in Apple's unibody shoes.
 
LOL, North Americans can only wish . . .


Let's throw it back to Apple, if that makes some of you happy. If Apple has a (more expensive) 3G model, why allow tethering on the less-expensive wifi model? It's not evil, it's business. I wish it were different, as a consumer, but Apple *knows* the iPad will be huge and that demand will be high. I'd do the same thing in Apple's unibody shoes.

It's less about paying for the 3G model and more about paying for internet access AGAIN. I think most people already have some connection to their home and then some mobile connection. The iPad will add a 3rd connection fee, and for many that's a second connection fee to the same company (AT&T). At some point consumers are going to balk at paying so much money just to stay connected.

I've already seen a lot of talk of people dumping their iPhone and getting a pre-pay phone + iPad instead. Over the course of the typical iPhone contract the consumer can end up saving quite a bit money by going this route.
 
If Apple has a (more expensive) 3G model, why allow tethering on the less-expensive wifi model? It's not evil, it's business. I wish it were different, as a consumer, but Apple *knows* the iPad will be huge and that demand will be high. I'd do the same thing in Apple's unibody shoes.


I originally thought that some form of tethering/plan sharing would be available for the 3G only since aapl wouldn't want to leave $130 on the table. I now think it's very likely that it will be available for the wifi model as a benny/sweetner for iPhone ownership (a shared app). Everyone other than iPhone owners will have to pay $130 more. That real and perceived "deal" will drive iPad demand through the roof. Every iPhone owner will want an iPad. And 3G will be available for those without iPhones, or those who want the convenience of a separate 3G device. I'm not saying this will happen. I'm saying it's very likely to happen, and certainly not pie in the sky.
 
I've already seen a lot of talk of people dumping their iPhone and getting a pre-pay phone + iPad instead. Over the course of the typical iPhone contract the consumer can end up saving quite a bit money by going this route.

I think you might be on to something here . . .
 
I'm not surprised by this response. Someone should email him asking him to list exactly why the iPad is "magical".

Anyways, due to all these restrictions, IF I buy an iPad (90% I won't), it will be jailbroken before I have it out of its box.
 
It's less about paying for the 3G model and more about paying for internet access AGAIN. I think most people already have some connection to their home and then some mobile connection. The iPad will add a 3rd connection fee, and for many that's a second connection fee to the same company (AT&T). At some point consumers are going to balk at paying so much money just to stay connected.

I've already seen a lot of talk of people dumping their iPhone and getting a pre-pay phone + iPad instead. Over the course of the typical iPhone contract the consumer can end up saving quite a bit money by going this route.


My bet is that a certain number of people will do this. For a while. They'll then realize it's a PITA to carry around an iPad for 24/7 access (we're now a 24/7 culture) and they'll go back to an iPhone as well.
 
Are these apps in the AppStore? I thought they were available only through Cydia.

You're rigth those are only available through cydia there's one that I really like that's called MyWi that one I like a lot you just open it and you have a wifi hot spot you can password protect it and it even tells you how much you've used
 
Extra data plan equals FAIL

I know tethering hasn't come to the US yet. But we have it in Canada, so for work and pleasure trips I can currently take my laptop with me and, where there is no wifi or paid wifi only, I can just link up to my iPhone and off I go on 3g. And I doubt we can count on the carriers to say "sure, we can register your iPad as a second device on your iPhone data account".

Today we're inundated with devices...PDA, cell phone, smart phone, mp3 player, netbook, laptop, portable dvd player, e-reader, digital camera, camcorder, etc etc, and costs to use each of them (accounts, communications, etc etc). Most people look for convergence devices to lessen the number they carry and the stack of bills they pay but still be able to do most of these things. For example, I was happy to get my iPhone because it gave me casual camera use, business and personal voice connection, MP3, email, e-reader, and internet. Tethered to my netbook, it gives me ereader, internet, hard drive storage, computer, etc on the run when I needed something bigger than my iPhone screen and keyboard. No need to use paid wifi spots. And I'm down to two devices.

Now I'm not a heavy netbook user for business and an iPad may work very well for my business and pleasure travel needs (jury still out till we see it in operation). And while I don't tether to 3g often, at the same time rarely does my travel lead me to an area where wifi is available for free. So do I buy an iPad, pay for the 3g option, and then pay another $30 for a 3g data plan on top of my iPhnone one? Or do I keep on with netbook (which I admit is nowhere near as nice as an iPad) and iPhone and no extra cost on the wallet?

There are people that will need the 3g, no doubt. And people that will be happy with wifi only and keeping their iPad at home. But for a lot of us convergence and flexibility is the way to go. PDAs were all the rage until smartphones showed they could do the same thing and more. PDAs for the most part have disappeared. E-readers face the same risk of falling into irrelevance as convergence devices offer e-reading and more. Will the iPad be a PDA or a PDA killer?

Hopefully Apple will look at this and think about that flexibility and its benefits. Otherwise it might be a long time before some of us get iPads as it falls to "merely" another e-reader/mp3 player/internet browser. I don't need another internet browser at home if it doesn't' compellingly replace what I already use (desktop, laptop, netbook, and/or iphone). I can order a newspaper to be delivered to my doorstep as easy as buying an iPad just to read the news. And it certainly isn't a replacement for my iPhone (too big to hold to head for calls). And I can't carry it on my hip for music while jogging.

So if the iPad isn't compelling enough to replace or fit nicely in between devices, its classified to many as a luxury purchase, not a must. And its going to be these little things, like tethering if you already have a 3g data device, ability to hold and work on files multitasking, etc that will be the decision maker for many with their infinite variety of needs as to where it sits between 'fits in' and 'just another'. The way SJ was talking at his launch promo, they intend this to be a "fit in between" and "replace" type device. So come on Apple, you're all about lifestyle...so how about thinking it through?
 
First off this has nothing to do with Apple or Steve so direct you attitude at AT&T. Carriers in other parts of the world support tethering in one form or another. In fact shipping iPhone software supports it right now over USB if the carrier profile allows it.

Hi,
I´m from Germany. My provider does allow tethering. And I use this with my Macbook. All legal. Same as the requestor from Sweden.

But the the statement from Steve was not "no tethering AT&T, but no problem for you in Sweden". His statement was a clear: "NO".

I have no problem when you choose a provider that does not allow tethering - it´s your problem. Choose a different provider or pay for tethering.

If my provider allows tethering (I´m paying for it!) and my device could use tethering. But a stupid software restriction is blocking the usage of this - then I´m pissed!.

Greetings,
Michael
 


Thanks. They updated that page since the last time I looked after the product announcement.


Still, the key phrase here is "Up to 10 hours of surfing the web on Wi-Fi, watching video, or listening to music".

I know Apple engineers are smarter then I am, but I wonder if the iPad caches web pages to save reloading from the server...might cut down on battery usage.
 
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Me to. I don't like to Jailbreak my iPhone 3GS to tether to the iPad. There should be no need to do this. I dont like to steal software or media content.

But If I get forced to Jailbreak by Apple (Thanks Apple, Thanks Steve!) - maybe I´m so pissed (cause of all the security issues that come with jail breaking anyway) that I have to try all the other advantages of jail breaking.

Jailbreaking does not equal stealing software, no matter what Apple may want you to think. I have a jailbroken phone, I still buy software from the App store AND from Cydia and Rock, they all offer apoplications, Cydia and Rock apps can do a bit more.

As far as security issues, by jailobreaking, I am able to change the root password (one of the key security measures that must be take on any *nix based system).

In addition there are firewall applications available by jailbreaking that prevent other applications (officially available in the App Store) from "phoning home" without your permission. The often include phone number, sometimes finds credit card numbers, etc. Apple doesn't seem inclined to do much to stop these applications, so jailbreaking fixes this as well.

I can seriously make the argument that a jailbroken phone that is properly setup is a lot more secure than a non-jailbroken phone. This is in addition to all of the other benefits.

As previously stated, jailbreak the phone, install MyWi (do not use PDANet, it drains the battery very quickly) and use it to setup a wifi hotspot. Honestly, I have used my phone for surfing the net on my MacBook and using it's built in internet sharing to share the connection to my BluRay player and watching NetFlix on it, while charging the phone and having the battery increase. (The trick is to plug the phone into a wall outlet, not a USB port).
 
My bet is that a certain number of people will do this. For a while. They'll then realize it's a PITA to carry around an iPad for 24/7 access (we're now a 24/7 culture) and they'll go back to an iPhone as well.

If it's a PITA to carry around an iPad then why get the 3G version in the first place? The next question is why have an iPad at all if you have an iPhone? This is the problem I've been pointing to since the iPad was released. There is too much overlap with the iPhone in functionality while losing the iPhones portability. And since I don't see the iPad replacing anyones laptop it can't fully fill that role either.

In the end I just don't see a lot of people (outside of the Apple fanatic) who will have all three devices - MB/MBP, iPad, iPhone.
 
I work in an Apple Premium reseller, like 99% of users who jailbroken their phones do that for pirating software and they also pirate softwares that are free on AppStore. it is easy to say things like what you wrote in a internet forum... reality is much more different.

yes because working in a store that sells apple products magically gives you insight to everyone's intentions :rolleyes:
 
wizard said:
First off this has nothing to do with Apple or Steve so direct you attitude at AT&T. Carriers in other parts of the world support tethering in one form or another. In fact shipping iPhone software supports it right now over USB if the carrier profile allows it.

you dont know anything.

att did nothing wrong not to mention the ipad is unlocked so it has nothing to do with att.

next why would apple not want to make an extra 130 bucks and they prob got a deal with att with the data too.

you obviously are just and idiot fanboy that doesnt know who to blame.

ok also the ipod touch has nothing to do with a carrier. why cant you tether to that? you have no facts and dont know what your talking about.
 
If it's a PITA to carry around an iPad then why get the 3G version in the first place? The next question is why have an iPad at all if you have an iPhone? This is the problem I've been pointing to since the iPad was released. There is too much overlap with the iPhone in functionality while losing the iPhones portability. And since I don't see the iPad replacing anyones laptop it can't fully fill that role either.

In the end I just don't see a lot of people (outside of the Apple fanatic) who will have all three devices - MB/MBP, iPad, iPhone.


It's a PITA to carry around something bigger than a phone ALL the time. And "too much" overlap is extremely subjective. Around the house and on the road it can replace a laptop for light lifting. I'm not a fanatic and generally not an early adopter, but I'll be ordering two (one for a family member) next week. I want/need one for vacations where I don't have wifi but do have 3G. I can do it on my iPhone, but want the larger screen.
 
I would say the ipad is not great for gaming. The only games that will work well are touch based games. The tilt games will be horrible.

Unless you are looking to play chess on a coffee table with the family.

The racing games will be awesome, similiar to holding a steering wheel! Looking forward to Madden as well, the screen is too small on the iphone always hitting the wrong recievers LOL

I guess different stroke for different folks...I personally would prefer to play games on the bigger screen, didn't like alot of them on the iphone even though they were good games, just because my fingers always covered so much of the screen (have big hands) and I couldn't see what was going on.
 
10 hours of battery life while doing what? My iPhone 3GS will gladly make it through 10 hours of use if I limit it to 2 hours of music, a half dozen or so phone calls and receive/send several emails.

BUT the same phone will lose half its charge in a 45 minute web surfing session on 3G while listening to music (wow multi-tasking on an iPhone!).

My guess is that the 10 hour figure has a lot more to do with reading a book then it does with network access.

Your iPhone has a much smaller battery in it ;) They said iPad is 10 hours of constant use, web surfing with wifi, watching movies, playing games etc...

Laptops last 10-12 hours nowadays no reason the ipad won't. Only reason the phones don't is because they have to use a small battery.
 
Your iPhone has a much smaller battery in it ;) They said iPad is 10 hours of constant use, web surfing with wifi, watching movies, playing games etc...

Laptops last 10-12 hours nowadays no reason the ipad won't. Only reason the phones don't is because they have to use a small battery.

Small battery doesn't mean much, it's how efficient the phone itself is at using the power resorces. Frankly, the iPhone is a juice guzzler. But at least it fits in your pocket...

As for Steve's claim of a 10 hour battery life, this will be the first thing that's going to be put to the test. Honestly, I don't believe it...but we'll see.
 
Sooo much for that idea even though many of us already had a feeling you wouldn't be able to tether, although I can't see how you wouldn't be able to tether if you can make your phone into a wi-fi hotspot?

Somehow I think that people you can setup their phone to turn it into a wi-fi hotspot are not quite the group of people that are targetted as iPad customers :rolleyes:
 
People are reading way too much into this.

At some point in the future AT&T is going to allow the iPhone to be used as a mifi device, and it will not tether with the iPad but it will still allow the ipad to use its connection.
 
Somehow I think that people you can setup their phone to turn it into a wi-fi hotspot are not quite the group of people that are targetted as iPad customers :rolleyes:

hmmm... so according to you, ipad customers will be dumb, and phone-tethering individuals are mensa candidates??
 
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