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The idea is that a device should work on it's own without having to add other devices to make it functional.

I understand the philosophical argument, but practically, most people use cases. Just look at the wall of cases in an apple store. I suspect that the "naked iPhone" contingent on this board is a small but (very) vocal group. You need to buy Bluetooth devices to use the Bluetooth functionality, you need to buy a wifi router to use facetime, you need to buy screen protectors to avoid screen scratches, etc. Again, IF a case solves the problem, it probably won't be a big deal for apple in the long run.
 
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also, i dont think some of you realize how sporadic a radio frequency is when it comes to cellphones. the number is always ever changing. Just because you see zero bars on a reception signal, doesnt mean you cannot make a phone call. It could mean a number of things, signal not being represented properly, etc.

Sporadic is a very strong word for companies who generate revenues in billions. Sporadic is good for Tarot readers.

When iPhone shows no signal and says searching, one CANNOT make a phone call. What do you mean signal is not being represented properly? Cannot make a call is cannot make a call. PERIOD
 
I still can't get it to drop below 4 bars even though Speedtest slows down a bit.

Can someone please come over here and show me how to properly lose signal with my iPhone 4?
 
I hate complainers who complain just for the sake of complaining. Can't stand them. But THIS is a significant issue, and unacceptable in today's technological advancements. It's like they give with one hand, and take with the other.

I'll be close to an Apple store next weekend and I plan on going by to have my iPhone replaced. If this TRULY is a non-issue, they should have no problem replacing the phones that DO show this "MINOR" problem.. right?!

Obviously fanboys are drugged/brainwashed. Seriously don't know what they're smoking.
 
Just looking at this thread, I can feel my IQ dropping by the second. NEVER have I seen more garbage in one place on this website. Truly a pity.
 
Apparently, it's only okay to hold the phone like this now if you're using WiFi, since they were using FaceTime for all of these shots. Seriously, though. All of their ads have shown people holding phones like this for the last few years. Ridiculous. I bet Steve is regretting that initial response right now.

Indeed! Doesn't it seem like the dumbest thing to say in a situation like this? You know what they say about subliminal advertising... and i'm sure after years of seeing it held a certain way, people are more likely to do the same. On top of that, it's more COMFORTABLE for a righty to hold it like that. I wonder what Apple is going to make of this mess?

I've tried fixing the issue by putting two small strips of electrical tape on each side. So far it seems to be helping. Hopefully this is just a temporary fix.

$600 piece of technology fixed by tape. Gotta love it :) Good idea, but I'd hate to walk around with my brand new iPhone 4 telling all my friends how I rigged it to work.
 
You need to buy Bluetooth devices to use the Bluetooth functionality, you need to buy a wifi router to use facetime, you need to buy screen protectors to avoid screen scratches, etc. Again, IF a case solves the problem, it probably won't be a big deal for apple in the long run.

Yes I agree but I saw alot of people walk out without cases for whatever reason be it cost or lack of necessity. if it doesn't work for alot of people there will be complains unless Apple basically says "get a bumper to fix the problem" because that'll basically be an admission that it's a design flaw which will need to be addressed in its own way (possible recall, free bumpers, bumper refunds etc).
 
If the phone works with a rubber 'bumper', to me that's a clear admission that they could have (should have) engineered this to work without forcing people to worry about how they hold the phone.

I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs, but he's lost me with this one. Okay, other phones lose some signal strength when held — I've confirmed this with my 3G. But some people are completely losing an otherwise strong signal just by holding the phone in the normal fashion, because (as is clearly demonstrated in this YouTube video) there is an issue with the two antennas shorting out due to their proximity and external exposure. It saddens me to say it, but I can't see Apple escaping this one. This is an obvious and easily demonstrated design flaw.

Look, this same external antenna design was something Apple tried to sell as a new design feature — something that differentiates the iPhone 4 from other phones. But now that its weakness is apparent, Apple wants to downplay the difference and say it works just like other phones?!

Some people are saying this isn't a deal breaker. Well sorry guys, but it is for me, and I was as excited about this phone's release as the next guy. I'm now going to wait and hope that the early adopters don't put up with this from Apple, because really, Apple's response is in your hands. If enough people refuse to put up with this issue, what would probably have been the most profitable product launch in Apple's history will be a flop, and Apple will be forced to take notice. Yes, it's gonna hurt their bottom line, and as a long time Apple fan I don't like to see that, but that's something Apple is going to have to deal with for pushing out a product with such a glaring design flaw.

Yes, it's an otherwise brilliant product by all accounts, but that doesn't make it acceptable for what is, after all, still marketed as a 'phone'.

Totally agree. Steve Jobs says that consumers vote with their wallets. Well today I voted "no". It saddens me as well. I was SO excited about this phone. I pre-ordered it and counted the days for it's release. Steve Job's response as a "non-issue" infuriates me. Today, I went to my local Apple store to test the Death Grip issue, and sure thing, trying to browse the web while touching the antenna is 5x slower than when the phone sits on a table. That's not acceptable in my book.
 
Apparently, it's only okay to hold the phone like this now if you're using WiFi, since they were using FaceTime for all of these shots. Seriously, though. All of their ads have shown people holding phones like this for the last few years. Ridiculous. I bet Steve is regretting that initial response right now.

Yep, with iPhone 4 people will have to use different grips for different tasks: one grip for WiFi, another grip for 3G and yet another one for EDGE. But we are lucky that iPhone 4 does not support 4G (WiMax or LTE) :p
 
I'm a developer and came across the iOS 4.0.1 source code. Curiously, this piece of code stuck out at me:

signal_strength = signal_strength+3;

if (signal_strength > 5)
{
signal_strength = 5;
}

:confused:

Can anyone explain what that bit of code might do?


boy... you are so freaking funny.... NOT....
 
Several of my friends purchased the iPhone today and non of them experienced any drop calls or signal loss when holding it in the lower-left corner. They TRIED several attempts but they had no problems whatsoever. I think most iPhones are like theirs and aren't effected. You guys are acting like all iPhone4's have this glitch.

Every single iPhone since 2007 had sensitive areas that could cause this. And holding any cell phone tightly near the antenna would affect the signal.

Now, if your phone has this glitch and you don't want to hold it with your other hand or place a bumper around it. Return it. I would bet that 99% of you that are complaining about this in this thread are not going to return it, but instead are going to just bitch and moan on message boards. If you do that, companies will continue to release products with design flaws because they know people like you guys will buy the product no matter what. (flaws and all) If everyone complained with their WALLETS and not on message boards like babies, Apple would get the message loud and clear.
 
I understand the philosophical argument, but practically, most people use cases. Just look at the wall of cases in an apple store. I suspect that the "naked iPhone" contingent on this board is a small but (very) vocal group. You need to buy Bluetooth devices to use the Bluetooth functionality, you need to buy a wifi router to use facetime, you need to buy screen protectors to avoid screen scratches, etc. Again, IF a case solves the problem, it probably won't be a big deal for apple in the long run.
Most people would prefer to not use a case at all. Cellphone cases were barely on the map before the iPhone, I mean... the only people I saw using cases for their Nokia/Samsung/Motorola phones were construction workers and IT geeks carrying their phones in a belt clip.

With previous iPhone models (particularly the plastic 3G and 3GS) people used cases because they realized that wear and tear were potential issues. The chrome bezel is fairly sensitive and the back is easy to scratch.

But the iPhone 4G is all stainless steel and glass and advertised as rugged and scratch-resistant, front and back. Apple themselves released a 'bumper' that only protects the stainless steel part, not the front or back, which indicates that they feel those are too scratch resistant to warrant protection.
 
Its crazy but all of us have been blaming ATT and maybe it's been Apple all along responsible for our dropped calls. We were possibly blinding by the light.
 
I understand the philosophical argument, but practically, most people use cases. Just look at the wall of cases in an apple store. I suspect that the "naked iPhone" contingent on this board is a small but (very) vocal group. You need to buy Bluetooth devices to use the Bluetooth functionality, you need to buy a wifi router to use facetime, you need to buy screen protectors to avoid screen scratches, etc. Again, IF a case solves the problem, it probably won't be a big deal for apple in the long run.

Wow...
 
Which school would that be, Leeds Elementary? That was a dialect issue, not an education issue.

Did you even read the original post? The guy doesn't know the usage of the word pillion and you're backing him. World of ignorants is nice to be around.
 
Several of my friends purchased the iPhone today and non of them experienced any drop calls or signal loss when holding it in the lower-left corner. They TRIED several attempts but they had no problems whatsoever. I think most iPhones are like theirs and aren't effected. You guys are acting like all iPhone4's have this glitch.

Every single iPhone since 2007 had sensitive areas that could cause this. And holding any cell phone tightly near the antenna would affect the signal.

Now, if your phone has this glitch and you don't want to hold it with your other hand or place a bumper around it. Return it. I would bet that 99% of you that are complaining about this in this thread are not going to return it, but instead are going to just bitch and moan on message boards. If you do that, companies will continue to release products with design flaws because they know people like you guys will buy the product no matter what. (flaws and all) If everyone complained with their WALLETS and not on message boards like babies, Apple would get the message loud and clear.

So which is it? Most phones are fine? Or every phone has sensitive areas that reduce one bar at a time until there is no reception?
 
I totally agree with him. As soon as I realized that you just need to avoid touching the bottom, I adjusted the way I hold it. Just hold it a bit higher and your fine. Like he said, non-issue. Especially sine most of us are going to have bumpers or some other kind of case. I think that most of the people claiming that they are dropping calls because of it are trolls and shills anyway. Ya, it's a little annoying, but not that big of a deal. Of course all of "the usual suspects" are having a field day crying about it.



Nonsense. Most people are right handed and don't normally hold the whole phone in the palm of their hand. And the lefty's don't usually hold it that way either. Just takes a bit of adjusting if you do.

So I guess were supposed to hold the phone like were sipping tea? Guess I'll hold my pinkie out too :rolleyes:

I love this phone. I always use a case, so it's not a problem for me but it's laughable to argue that you should learn to hold a premier piece of equipment a certain way or it won't work properly and just as laughable that you should have to spend MORE money to cover it in order for it to not drop calls! Especially when Steve Jobs went out of his way to tout it's beauty!
 
people.. this happens with many phones. Apple is just the start of it. I have an iPhone 4, and the problem isnt as dramatic as said to be. I have to hold the phone REALLY tightly for the signal to drop. It really does not affect the signal if you hold it normally in your left or right hand. But my hands arent sweaty, and "conductive". I am pretty sure the people in some of these videos may have sweaty hands...
 
Did you even read the original post? The guy doesn't know the usage of the word pillion and you're backing him. World of ignorants is nice to be around.

No, you're just using the occasion to be a dick about it.

The context isn't completely clear, it could have been back seat or passenger's side.
 
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