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Whatever your source is submit it to MR and it might end up the homepage, that would be HUGE news if its true.

I saw mention of it on another forum by another poster that claimed they'd contacted Apple Support about it and the Apple Support rep admitted it - I can add no credence to that, I'm just offering what I read earlier that someone else posted (their experience).

If it's true, and there should be a coating, I can understand that to some degree but, as a licensed Ham operator for over 3 decades now, the entire concept of putting any antenna in range of actual skin contact (even in spite of said "coating") is just idiotic engineering, any way Apple or anyone else cares to try and slice it.

It just won't work, and I honestly can't believe that Apple went in this direction... I questioned this idea when the first prototype images were leaked out months ago and now I can see that my original line of thought - that they might use the band as some type of antenna or coupling - simply wasn't going to work. Now, months later, my hunch seems to have turned out to be true.

Again, they should have just put the antennas behind the glass backing... or even better would have been to embed it inside the glass, like the types of antennas that cars have for their FM radios, it's embedded as thin wires inside the actual glass itself. That would have been infinitely superior to what they've done, based on my knowledge of antennas and radio wave propagation.

Bleh... this will just get worse as time goes by.
 
+1

Sigh....

a) Time Capsule power failure
b) iMac 27" fiasco
and now...
c) iPhone 4

WTF!!! Have these products tested from peeps whom are SOBER and have it built in the US and/or Germany for gawd sakes

+1 And in the iphone's case in particular, without a "disguise" (case) and in normal use (like in above photos). I still can't believe how big this is. Of course Steve can only reply "non-issue" ...it's called DENIAL!

SOMEBODY is trying to avoid a recall and loss of millions of $$$!
 
wait wait wait......

The official answer is "it's the user's fault"?

Android looks better and better....If one model has a glaring flaw, there are a dozen others waiting to do the same job.

Seriously....Just how much kool-aid do they think we've chugged? Adjusting the way we use a phone to adapt to an obvious flaw?
 
+1 And in the iphone's case in particular, without a "disguise" (case) and in normal use (like in above photos). I still can't believe how big this is. Of course Steve can only reply "non-issue" ...it's called DENIAL!

SOMEBODY is trying to avoid a recall and loss of millions of $$$!

Yeah, they probably made about 300 mil six days before the phone hit stores, and their is no fixing this before the launch of the iphone 5, the entire phone revolves around the band, and its flawed.
 
non issue for me!! I had no problems!!! Just get a case if you are worry. Heck, most of us get a case anyways!! I will get one. However, I have had no problems!!
 
Someone needs to go smack the **** out of Steve Jobs. Better yet, throw a pie in his face. Then when he tries to press charges, tell him it's a "NON ISSUE" Steve. :rolleyes:
 
I saw mention of it on another forum by another poster that claimed they'd contacted Apple Support about it and the Apple Support rep admitted it - I can add no credence to that, I'm just offering what I read earlier that someone else posted (their experience).

If it's true, and there should be a coating, I can understand that to some degree but, as a licensed Ham operator for over 3 decades now, the entire concept of putting any antenna in range of actual skin contact (even in spite of said "coating") is just idiotic engineering, any way Apple or anyone else cares to try and slice it.

It just won't work, and I honestly can't believe that Apple went in this direction... I questioned this idea when the first prototype images were leaked out months ago and now I can see that my original line of thought - that they might use the band as some type of antenna or coupling - simply wasn't going to work. Now, months later, my hunch seems to have turned out to be true.

Again, they should have just put the antennas behind the glass backing... or even better would have been to embed it inside the glass, like the types of antennas that cars have for their FM radios, it's embedded as thin wires inside the actual glass itself. That would have been infinitely superior to what they've done, based on my knowledge of antennas and radio wave propagation.

Bleh... this will just get worse as time goes by.

They once had a patent for a radio transparent hard ceramic phone back, I wonder what happened to that.
 
Just look... this thread is on it's way to a 1,000 posts. I don't think iphone 4 owners consider this a non-issue. Gah!

Thats actually a good number, considering there are probably a million phones in the hands of the public by now.

So many people arent having problems, hopefully I wont. I think the guy with the coating theory had it nailed.
 
Now we know why Apple keeps $24 billion in cash on its balance sheet and has consistently turned down investors' calls for stock buybacks or special dividends.

Apple needs the cash to pay for this kind of recurring screw-ups, and this looks as if this one will be very costly for them!
 
Steve Jobs is right. Just don't hold it that way. I don't see the problem. I'm left handed and I hold the phone by gripping the middle and placing a finger on the bottom for support. The Nexus One also had issues with dropped signals when holding the phone. If you can't change the way you hold it, then get a case.
 
Whoever started this BS rumor deserves an award from Google. Who ever thought that so much crap could be spread from one fandroid troll.

There is no issue here, absolutely none. Your "bars going down" when you hold the phone is in your head. I have been talking all day and browsing all day, no sign of any problems.

Guess what, signal strength tends to go up and down. I'm sure if you spend enough time playing around you can convince yourself that the signal strength is related to combing your hair or biting your nails. Doesn't make it a fact though.

My offer stands to trade my 3GS for any iPhone 4... no takers because 90% of the people reporting problems are trolls, and the other 10% are chasing windmills.
 
Whoever started this BS rumor deserves an award from Google. Who ever thought that so much crap could be spread from one fandroid troll.

There is no issue here, absolutely none. Your "bars going down" when you hold the phone is in your head. I have been talking all day and browsing all day, no sign of any problems.

Guess what, signal strength tends to go up and down. I'm sure if you spend enough time playing around you can convince yourself that the signal strength is related to combing your hair or biting your nails. Doesn't make it a fact though.

My offer stands to trade my 3GS for any iPhone 4... no takers because 90% of the people reporting problems are trolls, and the other 10% are chasing windmills.

Watch the youtube videos man, it really is happening to people. Im telling you that guy with the coating theory is on to something...
 
Whoever started this BS rumor deserves an award from Google. Who ever thought that so much crap could be spread from one fandroid troll.

There is no issue here, absolutely none. Your "bars going down" when you hold the phone is in your head. I have been talking all day and browsing all day, no sign of any problems.

Guess what, signal strength tends to go up and down. I'm sure if you spend enough time playing around you can convince yourself that the signal strength is related to combing your hair or biting your nails. Doesn't make it a fact though.

My offer stands to trade my 3GS for any iPhone 4... no takers because 90% of the people reporting problems are trolls, and the other 10% are chasing windmills.

You sir, are wrong. There are many videos on YouTube and reports that plainly show people with an iPhone 4 laying flat on a surface and the only contact with the phone is a fingertip precisely on the seam between the two metal chassis components on the lower left side and as soon as those points are bridged - meaning a connection is made, albeit an incredibly small one from an electrical perspective - results in dramatic loss of signal and even outright loss of service entirely as long as that fingertip is held in place.

It's not necessary to hold the iPhone - this issue can be triggered with a fingertip which again leads significant credence to the "coating" theory. If you've got an iPhone 4 that had the coating properly applied (assuming this coating does exist and Apple owns up to it soon) then this won't affect your iPhone, at all.

But on an uncoated iPhone 4 this is easily reproducible as it has been for the people posting videos and reports all over the place.

I said it once already and I'll say it again:

Just because you're not having this particular issue with your iPhone 4 does not mean this issue isn't a real one and causing problems for others. Make your posts with this in mind and you'll be ok, but immediately thinking Apple is perfect and this isn't a real problem for people even in spite of it not being a problem for you is sheer ignorance and outright stupidity.

If you don't have the problem, lucky you. But many do, thousands so far are dropping reports and videos about it and the evidence is rapidly mounting.

"Some things are true whether you believe them or not."
 
I dont even have to squeeze my phone, as long as its in the left hand and touching my palm i can watch my bars disappear. Ahh this is not good
 
Just a comment regarding cases or bumpers. Why would anyone want to envelope a beautifully designed phone in a thick ugly piece of plastic or rubber?!?

One of the points of owning a high-end smartphone is that it's thin and stylish. I've had an iPhone for 1.5 years and I've never dropped it once, and I am puzzled by all the people who think a "protective case" is an indispensable accessory for their phones. It's not, and I certainly would return my iPhone 4 rather than being forced to put it into a $30 bumper so that I can get it to do what it's supposed to in the first place.
 
Just a comment regarding cases or bumpers. Why would anyone want to envelope a beautifully designed phone in a thick ugly piece of plastic or rubber?!?

One of the points of owning a high-end smartphone is that it's thin and stylish. I've had an iPhone for 1.5 years and I've never dropped it once, and I am puzzled by all the people who think a "protective case" is an indispensable accessory for their phones. It's not, and I certainly would return my iPhone 4 rather than being forced to put it into a $30 bumper so that I can get it to do what it's supposed to in the first place.

PRECISELY
 
Just a comment regarding cases or bumpers. Why would anyone want to envelope a beautifully designed phone in a thick ugly piece of plastic or rubber?!?

One of the points of owning a high-end smartphone is that it's thin and stylish. I've had an iPhone for 1.5 years and I've never dropped it once, and I am puzzled by all the people who think a "protective case" is an indispensable accessory for their phones. It's not, and I certainly would return my iPhone 4 rather than being forced to put it into a $30 bumper so that I can get it to do what it's supposed to in the first place.

I have always despised cases too, but the bumper is actually really nice, id be willing to bet that even with a bumper the ip4 would be thinner than your 3g/s
 
Speaker seems to solve the problem

Interesting theory about the coating. I seem to have one of the phones which experiences fairly serious call issues. Almost all of my calls are plagued with background distortion, clicking, and scratching sounds which make it hard for the people on the other end to hear me. I've found however that switching the call to speaker gets rid of most of this noise. I did a test with a friend and the call quality improved dramatically when the call was in speaker mode, even though I continued to hold the phone in the standard way.

Does this happen to anyone else?
If this is part of the problem then maybe some of the issues could be improved with a software update.
 
oh my it looks like the iPhone 4 is a lemon.

Steve Made a Big thing about the Steel edge being this new high tech 3 x Antenna

Yet it doesnt work aswell as the old 3GS.

EPIC FAIL JOBSEY!
 
A great president once said... it's not about how your phone can conform to your hand, but how your hand can conform to your phone.

Steve Jobs, you sir, are a patriot! :apple:
 
Interesting theory about the coating. I seem to have one of the phones which experiences fairly serious call issues. Almost all of my calls are plagued with background distortion, clicking, and scratching sounds which make it hard for the people on the other end to hear me. I've found however that switching the call to speaker gets rid of most of this noise. I did a test with a friend and the call quality improved dramatically when the call was in speaker mode, even though I continued to hold the phone in the standard way.

Does this happen to anyone else?
If this is part of the problem then maybe some of the issues could be improved with a software update.

this happened to be a while back with my 3g, noticed the speaker was working fine, headset fine, but not when holding it to my ear, a quick restore fixed it. dont know it that will work for the ip4 though. Good luck.
 
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