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Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by Garage Battle, May 1, 2019.
I agree with a lot of what he said. Apple is falling behind in the hardware arena, but still leading by far with macOS. They need to get their **** together.
I wonder how many times this video will be sent to Apple's Executive team?
If celebrities, journalists, and regular people hate these keyboards... what do Apple's own employees think?
Maybe Apple's employees are the #1 buyers of 2015 refurbished models...
I wonder how persnickety executives at Apple feel about dissent from the ranks within. I have a feeling one does not say to Jony; "hey maybe you should listen to the technical engineers when they say it's too thin to be a workable enclosure for a functional keyboard design". No, I don't think there is much of that going around.
Joe Rogan knows how to get clicks, even with the most idiotic content. Call out a big name brand, stir up people to leave comments and arguments, make money.
Fact is, low profile keyboards have their haters because they refuse to adapt to them and continue to hit the keys like previous keyboards. My sister used to strike the keys on my PowerBook as if she was typing on a typewriter. I said she would break my keyboard if she didn't adapt. And she did break it.
Humans have adapted to use every tool imaginable, light, heavy, thin, thick. But in this age of excessive comforts, cognitive dissonance, and click bait....humans are baffling. Some can't adjust their typing habits by a mere millimeter and have to their minds on the internet. "I want everything my way. I'm privileged. The world should be based on my selfish needs. Design everything for me not for everyone else. Please visit my YouTube channel if you agree and click Subscribe."
The majority of users however don't have time to post nonsense. They are busy working. Millions of them using low profile keyboards in offices across the world without complaint. They adapt, they move forward.
Hundreds of members of these forums are making posts with these low profile keyboards. If it was so bad we should see them suffering and making lots of typos.
I had multiple butterfly keyboards fail even though I almost never used it. MBP docked, using external keyboard. And still it failed. And I have no issues with low profile keyboards, it's the opposite.
So please, leave the fanboy mantra 'it's users fault' out of the way. These keyboards are a complete joke.
Glad I have an iMac then. I wonder if external keyboards can be used with Macbooks?
The keyboard does have a higher failure rate, but it’s also way more comfortable to work with. By the way, who is Joe Rogan?
He’s a complete nobody trying to find notoriety because he’s failed at everything else.
If he was on fire, I wouldn’t p*** on him. Or maybe I would just to add insult to injury.
Is what it is: The The Butterfly Keyboard has resulted in the Mac having the worst keyboard of any major brand in both reliability and usability.
If these ultra low throw keyboards were so very spectacular professional typists would have been using them for years, they dont for good reason. Apple designed the Butterfly Keyboard solely to reduce the thickness of the MBP to appeal to the shallow and the Starbucks crowd, likely also to save on production cost at the same time.
Personally since 2016 I've never seen so many professionals drop the platform, as none need flaky keyboards and limited performance on an alleged professional level notebook exceeding $3K-$4K for a reasonable spec...
The design keyboard is an absolute joke given how much cost and how long repairs take. Apple is fast becoming a company of apologies and excuses. MBP once used to be the first on the list for recommendation by many an independent professional. Today it's approaching being a laughing stock...
Have you considered that instead of spending almost 3k on a laptop that they have to adapt to is not ideal. People get a laptop that allows them to work, if they have to change how they work, they're not being as effecient as they can. I like tools that allow me to work as I want too and not forcing me to work the way it needs to me too. The low travel is but one issue, the biggest problem with the butterfly keyboard is the flawed design, which is so bad Apple issued an apology and of course has a repair program.
You're right they don't have time for this nonsense and that's why many people are opting to get Lenovo's Dells, etc. MBPs now has a reputation that their keyboard is horrible and defective.
That's an assumption on your part, while many people are not complaining about the keyboard there's no way for us to know how many hate/complain vs love/don't complain.
"I don't know who this person is that is saying things I disagree with, so it must be a complete nobody".
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Why would you adapt to something you think is sh**ty when there are literally dozens of options on the market?
Why would a company offer no option that suits more people and instead impose what they think is a better way? Just offer more options, you'll interest more people.
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Right? Dude is only has a net worth of $30M+. Fails at everything. What a loser the guy is. I hope he does find a little notoriety so that he can feed his kids
I am not personally a Joe Rogan fan, but a complete nobody?
I've never heard of this guy but he has 2.2 million subscribers. So he's a big deal.
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I'm going to subscribe to the guy as he obviously knows something.
I have seen him perform a couple of times, opening up for other comics. I have also seen few of his podcasts. He is a bit all over the place imho, but hardly a complete nobody or a failure either.
I have 91 followers on Twitter. I obviously am not looking to build a following base but I see people that do try to build a following and it is very difficult to do if you're talking about serious stuff or you aren't fairly entertaining.
Does it really matter if he's a nobody? The point I took away is that we see more and more people being vocal about their displeasure then we had with prior models. I don't just mean complaining but rather people choosing to leave the Mac platform due to the issues.
In a sense, if Joe Rogan was a nobody that speaks volumes of how far Apple's reputation has sunk with its keyboard, but he's a somebody. He was on TV from time to time, and he's a comedian. To be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of him, I don't follow him, and until this thread I had no idea he had a YT channel. As I see it, his celebrity status (or lack there of) has nothing to do with point that many people are being more vocal about their disappointment and/or frustration with the MBP to the point they're finding different solutions.
I know just enough about who he is to know that he has had some success over the years, but like you, not personally a fan. That said, I do find some discussion about the keyboards from a non-tech related / Apple Fan/Hater / getting paid to support or bash type blog refreshing. In other words, Joe Rogan doesn't really have much to lose or gain by having this segment on his experience with the Apple keyboard, but just presenting his thoughts as a consumer of a product which he admits he owns and goes as far as explaining why despite his dislike of the keyboard. It is probably more honest than many of the reviews out there.
I'm a programmer, I type really fast, I've gotten used to this keyboard. If I had a choice, I'd choose my old MBA 2015's keyboard because I liked it a lot. That said, this keyboard takes a lot of getting used to. My wife and I (for almost a year now), along with a lot of people in education (that we know) use it and don't have problems with it.
I think it is becoming really popular to hate on this keyboard. I get it if you don't like it, I do like a bit more travel myself.
Joe's right about the Lenovo keyboard. That keyboard is amazing (I've used it). X1 Carbon or something.
For work I use an XPS 15 (2018) and for personal use I have a MBP 2017 (13' TB). I like Mac OS but I spend all day on Windows 10. Never been a hater of Windows. I just like reading, texting, using Mac OS. I miss my MBA 2015. Should have kept it.
Agreed, you did a better job at describing who a normal person's opinion in some sense can carry more weight then many of the tech people on YT
That's the thing, people are seeing they do have a choice, some are choosing to go with a 2015, some are choosing to live with keyboard and some are choosing to buy a windows PC. Like Rogan, I cannot tell you how much better the Thinkpad's keyboard is over the butterfly keyboard.
I've tried it and it's okay. I suppose I could get to like it. I don't really like the 2015 MBP keyboard all that much. My favorite was the 2008 keyboard. These all pale in comparison to Mechanical keyboards though.
Agreed, though, I find I annoy the **** out of my wife if I use the 3 I have. At my old apartment, I actually had people banging on the wall when I was pounding away on my mechanical keyboard. That and now that my fingers are so used to the MBP 2017's keyboard, I find typing on a mechanical really tiring. I used to be able to type on that thing all day.
Typing on the 2017 MBP takes a lot of effort to get used to. You have to type on it very differently than you would a normal keyboard. Once you get used to it, takes a lot less effort and ... personally, I can really fly on it.
Well I don't own an Apple laptop (though I've typed on some), and admittedly I probably never will. However, I think the ASK (for my 1st and 2nd gen 12.9 pros) was one of the best keyboards I ever used. I could FLY typing on that thing. I don't really know if one could get much more low profile than that.
I had a 2016 and now recently a 2018 MBP. I am as used to and have adjusted to the butterfly keyboard as much as I am going to. I still very much dislike it.
I am waiting to see which happens first. Windows devices to improve their trackpads to be as good as the MBP or Apple to abandon the butterfly and deliver a great typing experience
A MBP's touchpad and screen with a Lenovo X1 Carbon's keyboard? I'd buy that right now.