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I just wish they would pick a standard and stick to it, I know it need to change over time with thinner cases and new technical requirements.

I can see Apple and others adopting this, maybe not the iPhone 6s bit could be in the 7 (about 18 months) or 8 (about 42 months).
 
Standards change, at some point people will need adaptors to connect USB-C devices that everybody will use to their laptops with USB-A ports.

Sorry, but will be many years before most computers (except this Macbook) only come with USB-C without at least one legacy USB-A port.
 
So here's my question: If Apple supposedly invented this port, why didn't they design it to be like Lightning? It looks like there's still a 'tongue' inside the USB-C port.
 
They haven't said they ordered the Lightning port to Intel either.

I don't know who to believe, but these new ports have got to come to an end. Can't just one port do everything? Wasn't it the promise Lightning ports were supposed to deliver?

That was the promise of Thunderbolt.
 
I'd take my chances of getting data error, I can retry transfer. It costs me nothing but time to retry a file transfer.

You must not value your data then. It would be easy for a magsafe data connection to become detached enough so that data is corrupted but not enough that you'd notice to initiate a retransfer.
 
Wonderful! So I wonder how long before the Lightning connector gets replaced with USB-C?

The biggest reason Apple is the wealthiest company in the world is because every freakin' 5 years you have to buy a bunch of new dongles, cables and adapters.

Mark
 
In two years, your iPhones won't have any ports.

It'd be awesome if they finally picked a cord and stuck with it. Apple is the oasis of dongles for their ever shifting connecting interfaces.

It's Planned Obsolescence. Thunderbolt 2 and USB3 would be plenty for years to come.
 
Or in fact more than often they did... Do you people actually read articles or just headlines then post. They ain't claimed nothing.


I do read yes, thanks for pointing that out..... Do you just assume things to? sounds like you do... my post was not even related to the article for one.
 
Interesting. Apple handing the invention off to the USB group or whoever would make it easier for others to adopt. If you heard that Apple had this new port, or the USB group had this new port, whose would you rather believe (if you were a non-Apple product user)? But even this is odd for Apple, usually they want to confine their own inventions to their own products. Times are a changing at Apple, yes they are.

Well, maybe Apple saw Sony as a great example of a company like themselves (design, hardware quality, global reach) being slayed by its own proprietary sword. Using USB Type-C ports for all Apple products (all MacBooks, iPad, iPhone) in the future would make a lot sense and I think that's the direction Apple is taking. USB Type-C is a great new universal standard, and that's the point, it's a universal standard.

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In two years, your iPhones won't have any ports.

It's Planned Obsolescence. Thunderbolt 2 and USB3 would be plenty for years to come.

Well, eventually Apple's obsession with thinness will get us there.:rolleyes:
 
Just in case anyone ACTUALLY wants to know...

A couple of things.

Just in case anyone actually wants to know why Apple might not want to say that they were the authors of the standard, even if they were. This is sheerest speculation, of course, but it's pretty obvious stuff. All you need to do is look at what happens when Apple authors a standard.

For example, Firewire. Which is also known as IEEE 1394, a, you guessed it, standard. For a while Apple wanted a licensing fee to use the NAME, but otherwise the whole thing was free. And eventually they dropped even that. But a number of industry groups (at the time led by Intel, but also including quite a few other household names) did their best to ensure that it would never be widespread, instead creating and then adopting USB-2, which is wholly inferior to firewire. USB-2, admittedly, was designed simply to be cheap rather than good, but if Firewire devices were ever made in anywhere near the numbers that USB-2 devices were it would have driven the cost of controllers down to a competitive level. But a consortium of companies simply did not want to adopt anything with the 'Apple' name on it.

Now, Apple in 1994 was in a rather different place than they are today. Still, if Apple had come out with a spec, waved it around, and said, "We want this to be adopted as USB-C", there would have been a lot of companies that would have fought that. There are plenty of companies who, if given the chance to give Apple a black eye without costing themselves a dime, will take it. And tying up a standard in a standards body is more or less no-effort. You just need one person to throw some sand in the gears, and you might as well just give up. (This is, at least, true of the standards bodies that I have interacted with, on a pair of RFCs.)

Incidentally, there are also a lot of people on various standards bodies who are GNU diehards. No idea if this one contains any, but a lot of those people would sooner go back to USB 1.1 than adopt an Apple-authored standard, even if it is completely free of all encumbrances.

Second, in case it isn't obvious why they didn't use Lightning: first off, it's too slow. Second off, it doesn't carry enough power. Third off, it can't transmit multiple video channels. Fourth off, you cannot imagine what would happen if you connected both audio in/out and a hard drive over a single lightning connector, not only due to bandwidth but because it doesn't support isochronous-mode communications/dedicated channels.

Third, in case it isn't obvious why they didn't make it mag-safe: two reasons. First, they would have to open magsafe to everyone if they made usb-c mag-safe. They MIGHT be able to include a licensing deal that let people license it for free only for the purposes of making USB-C connectors, that would depend on the rules of the standards body (which I don't know). But then it would be utterly obvious that it was an Apple technology, and, well, see above. Second, though, has already been covered. Some people are utterly perfect in their ability to keep their laptop firmly on their desks, not jog cables, not in short do anything that could in any way break their connection. They don't NEED magsafe. Those of us who do occasionally catch the cable on something, even if it's sitting on our desks, are fine with accidentally disconnecting the power cable. Accidentally disconnecting the power, the external hard drive, the monitor, the ethernet, the keyboard, the mouse, the connection to the remote server that you're copying data from onto the external hard drive, or even the external hard drive THAT YOU BOOTED FROM, is not so trivial.
 
It was basically the same story with the nano-SIM. Apple was able to push its design to become the adopted standard

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ctorious-in-nano-sim-standards-battle-1083585

Yeah but eveybody knew Apple invented that, it was no secret. Here you have someone claiming Apple invented USB-C by themselves with no help from anybody else and they decided to keep it a secret, sorry but I'm not buying, especially when they don't have any evidence.
 
Wonderful! So I wonder how long before the Lightning connector gets replaced with USB-C?

The biggest reason Apple is the wealthiest company in the world is because every freakin' 5 years you have to buy a bunch of new dongles, cables and adapters.

Mark

Never. The iPad and iPhone are too thin to house something the size of USB-C.
 
The point is that wireless is slower and less reliable.

Though pretty convenient when it's working right. If there's one thing I hate about corded peripherals, it's the cord. Not that I advocate getting rid of what's still arguably the better choice for reliability for the simple sake of convenience, but if we could find a way to make wireless tech as quick and sturdy as corded tech, well...

...it'd sure be nice.
 
Hahaha Apple inventing a cable to be used as a standard. Yeah that'll be the day. But maybe the next iPad / iPhone will carry USB - C and life will be good
 
Interesting. Apple handing the invention off to the USB group or whoever would make it easier for others to adopt. If you heard that Apple had this new port, or the USB group had this new port, whose would you rather believe (if you were a non-Apple product user)? But even this is odd for Apple, usually they want to confine their own inventions to their own products. Times are a changing at Apple, yes they are.

This would not be the first time they've done this, though. Also, with the EU demanding all phones use the same charging port, their hand has been forced.

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Hahaha Apple inventing a cable to be used as a standard. Yeah that'll be the day. But maybe the next iPad / iPhone will carry USB - C and life will be good

Ever heard of FireWire? WTF?

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Yeah but eveybody knew Apple invented that, it was no secret. Here you have someone claiming Apple invented USB-C by themselves with no help from anybody else and they decided to keep it a secret, sorry but I'm not buying, especially when they don't have any evidence.

But there is evidence...and a rumor surrounding it. Of course you shouldn't just swallow it but where there's smoke there is usually fire.
 
This is one thing i don't like about. The entire industry should work together to get one standard.

We had Thunderbolt (More expensive than USB port made out of pure gold:D)
USB 3.0
and now usb C

Having 2 ports of each is a waste. I have 2 thunderbolt port that is never used, and i'm using usb hub as 4 ports is not sufficient.

Why couldn't they make thunderbolt cheaper or lightning port more accessible. And if iPhones are going to adopt usbc then, lightning cable had the shortest life span compared to 30pin.
 
It's another lie. Apple also claimed they innovated a smaller logic board in the new Macbook. This is the Intel Core M prototype from six months ago.

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http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/macbook-logic-board.jpg

Wow, they're identical!! Oh, no they aren't at all. I'll never get over people claiming Apple lied because they heard a rumor from somewhere else.

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Why couldn't they make thunderbolt cheaper or lightning port more accessible. And if iPhones are going to adopt usbc then, lightning cable had the shortest life span compared to 30pin.

Well yes, of course it did. 30 pin stuck around through a whopping four iterations of USB.
 
USB Type C is an open standard so you don't have to buy any Apple dongles.

I highly doubt a Apple blue shirt is going to tell a customer that you can buy a cheaper adapter from Monoprice or eBay. Their goal is to pitch a sale and snag you with accessories. A Apple consumer has no idea what USB Type C is. Hell; most people here did not know what Type C was a week ago today.

And just look at the title of this article.

"John Gruber: Apple Invented USB Type C"
 
Or, Gruber is being his usual blowhard self and trying to spin Apple as positive as possible.

That's funny because just the other day he said he was uneasy about the Apple Watch...

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Isn't having just one port and being forced to use a dongle the definition of "clutter?"

I thought that at first as well. Now I may have changed my view, at least as far as how much junk I have to lug around in my bag. Honestly, I use one connection, power...and even my Lenovo has a dongle in my bag for Ethernet. Everything else is wireless until that one random time where I need to hook up HDMI or break out a backup drive - which are also now sold as wireless.

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Why is it insane? About 10 hours is pretty much what we expect from our laptops these days.

Nonsense...I have a brand new, lightweight, ultrabook PC right here that lasts about four hours in the real world and it's top of the line.
 
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