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Yet, you provided no cogent argument for this failure.
That's why I say I trust their market research more than you.
Its not like this is something totally out of left field for them like the watch.
The watch is were they're taking much more risk, not this.

So having a product that does the same thing for more than half the price isn't a cogent argument? Ok then.
 
I have no doubt this will see its way over to all iOS devices.Especially in regards to phones and the EU law to see all chargers use the same standard. Although I am not convinced this will make its way to all laptops yet, as i think the magsafe or a similar design (haptic) may stay on high end laptops. whereas the macbook and other usb c products will be aimed at the iOS lower price end product lines.
 
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If you don't use ports and don't need processing power then buy an iPad. This product is wrong for everyone.

I guess you didn't understand my post. I do need ports, but like most people, not enough to justify a heavier, bulkier laptop. And not everyone uses their laptops for heavy gaming or 3D rendering. Core M is plenty fast for what most people use laptops for: email, web, office productivity apps, managing music and photos, etc.

The MacBook is the perfect laptop for me and I'd imagine many others. So clearly it's not the wrong product for everyone. Stop projecting. Your needs are not the same as everyone else's.
 
What a dumb thing to say. Why not a MagSafe USB-C?

Um, what I said was dumb? I was simply staying the obvious. Of course, they might be able to make a MagSafe that has data transfer capabilities but obviously there are reasons they didn't. I simply gave the simple answer.
 
Well, because it still is a "Universal Serial Bus".

Apple may well have been a major force behind the adoption of USB C standard, it doesn't mean it is proprietary. They don't own USB C. It's not like Lightning where you need to pay a fee to Apple to make an accessory.

And to my knowledge nobody claimed it to be proprietary.

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Or, Gruber is being his usual blowhard self and trying to spin Apple as positive as possible.

And you are trying as usual to spin Apple as negative as possible. What's the difference ?
 
I think it's fine for consumer tasks or whatever, but I'm not a fan of USB C replacing ThunderBolt because USB always works at the cost of CPU power (does Type C too?) and standards like FireWire or ThunderBolt with its PCIe-based protocol are far more optimized for low latencies and high efficiency. Talking about audio interfaces for instance.
 
FireWire was Apple's brand name for IEEE standard 1394, developed by an honest to gosh working group and everything. It was pushed largely by Apple, but also had a number of other companies involved. It was probably pretty comparable to the process behind this, though this looks more promising to me.

Thunderbolt was more of a joint venture between Apple and Intel, but was intended to be more of a sweeping standard, I think. I guess it's not dead yet, but USB-C almost certainly looks to replace it if successful.

Thunderbolt is a replacement for internal PCIe expansion cards. It will always have a place in the Mac Pro and MacBook Pro. However, expect the iPad and iPhone to get USB-C, and maybe the Mac mini and low end iMac. The pro products might include USB-C in addition to the thunderbolt ports.
 
Not having the connector pull away when yanked on is a severe negative for a portable.

Have the connector pull away while you're in the middle of writing to an external disk is a server negative for a usb cable

Also, how's that MagSafe connector on your iPad working out for you?
 
"Lightning can not even support 1080P res, how is that better than USB C?"

Yes, it can. Apple sells an adaptor from Lightning to HDMI that handles 1080p here: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD826ZM/A/lightning-digital-av-adapter

Well, actually, it can only support 1080p (and, for that matter, 4K on any newer iPhone / iPad model starting with the 5s / rMini / Air) in only one case: when playing back mp4 / m4v / mov video. Then, it's the adapter itself that decodes the original file, which means not much bandwidth is used over the inherently slow (USB2 speed) Lightning cable.

However, when pure (already-decoded) video needs to be transferred over Lightning, the maximum resolution is 900p, not even 1080p. This includes everything including screen mirroring or iDevice-based video decoding (for example, when a non-native-container video format is played back).

I've published a lot of information on all this here at MacRumors - see for example https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1581053/
 
Just because Apple has decided that it hates wires, doesn't mean that we all have to adopt slower more complex ways of doing everything.

But you don't - it's a usb connector, so you can transfer your data over wire if you wish. No ones forcing you to only use the usb-c port for power only
 
I think it's fine for consumer tasks or whatever, but I'm not a fan of USB C replacing ThunderBolt because USB always works at the cost of CPU power (does Type C too?) and standards like FireWire or ThunderBolt with its PCIe-based protocol are far more optimized for low latencies and high efficiency. Talking about audio interfaces for instance.

because whenever you plug in an usb accessory you notice an instant considerable loss in performance, right?
 
Also, how's that MagSafe connector on your iPad working out for you?

It's a pity iPads (or any iDevices) don't have Qi, while competitors' top models (incl. even the inexpensive Nexus 7 tablets) have been having it for two years. And not an easily detachable Lightning, either.
 
So, USB-C on MacBook because reasons, and Lightning on iPhone because other reasons?

Yeah, this makes me think it was - as always - a collaboration of committee members that came up with it and not a straight up Apple invention.
 
I have no doubt this will see its way over to all iOS devices.Especially in regards to phones and the EU law to see all chargers use the same standard. Although I am not convinced this will make its way to all laptops yet, as i think the magsafe or a similar design (haptic) may stay on high end laptops. whereas the macbook and other usb c products will be aimed at the iOS lower price end product lines.

Apple couldn't bother about EU laws / regulations in the past either. It's highly unlikely they start using USB-C on iDevices, even with them being in many respects (e.g., troughput speed) vastly superior to Lightning. Why would they? It'd mean an end to their lucrative adapter / cable / MFi business...
 
That's not a reason for not using a magsafe-style connector. Instead, it is a reason for not using a transfer protocol without error detection. But nobody in their right mind would dream of using such an inferior and defective protocol for a modern multiple-Gbps connection, since there will be bit errors even if the physical connection is rock solid.

There may be other reasons for not using magsafe for a data connection (e.g. difficulty of having enough pins in a reasonably-sized magsafe connector) but data integrity is not a factor here.

Who is going to design a data port where the plug just falls out with the slightest nudge? They'd be a laughing stock for decades. 'Error detection in the transfer protocol' isn't going to stop processes crashing when a data source gets disconnected mid-read. Unless you're flippantly suggesting all the world's software should get also rewritten to an impossible standard of robustness just for the sake of a connector that users everywhere will be calling ****ing stupid on a daily basis.
 
I guess you didn't understand my post. I do need ports, but like most people, not enough to justify a heavier, bulkier laptop. And not everyone uses their laptops for heavy gaming or 3D rendering. Core M is plenty fast for what most people use laptops for: email, web, office productivity apps, managing music and photos, etc.

The MacBook is the perfect laptop for me and I'd imagine many others. So clearly it's not the wrong product for everyone. Stop projecting. Your needs are not the same as everyone else's.

Everything you just stated is what an iPad is for.

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Being wrong for you doesn't make it wrong for everyone else...

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Not many Apple's products actually failed

In the past decade you are correct. In the 90's and 80's quite a lot did. The main reason the past decade they haven't is simply because Jobs came back. Apple literally wouldn't exist anymore otherwise. They were broke.
 
If Apple had invented it, why wouldn't they just have said it?

You know how many Apple haters are out there who are stuck with MP3 and are not touching AAC, because they believe that the A's stand for Apple? (In reality, it is Advanced Audio Codec and all your DVDs use it anyway).

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Those advertised 10 hour battery life stats are usually based around web browsing, watching videos, and light work. The moment you do something that spikes all the cores in your processor, or starts riding the GPU for an extended period of time, you'll be lucky to get even 5 hours out even a Macbook Air.

When you think about it, stating battery life in hours is the same as saying the fuel tank in your car lasts for x hours and then people complain that it doesn't last that as long as advertised driving on a German Autobahn at 120 mph.

But what is happening with more powerful processors is that your MacBook can do very, very much using only 10% of its CPU power, so the difference between average and maximum power usage has been growing over the last years.
 
From the verge:

Apple assigned 18 engineers to help build it alongside companies like Lenovo, Dell, and HP. That engineer count is second only to Intel (with 24 people) and just above Microsoft’s 16 assigned engineers. Apple significantly surpasses the amount of engineers assigned from Google (10), Dell (5), and HP (6).

So it was a collaboration.

Does this mean, Thundberbolt is going slowly to die? :)

No. People who say that clearly have no understanding of the difference between thunderbolt and USB technology.
 
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