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They effectively have. Don't quote me but hasn't every release since iOS 14(?) taken at least 12 months to deliver the features displayed at the preceding WWDC. And some things have never appeared at all. Previously everything arrived on day 1 (followed by 11 months of bug fixes...) It is increasingly difficult to buy "for the features it has, not the promise of what it might have". ESPECIALLY with iPhone 16 which comes "with Apple Intelligence" Asterix, dagger, double dagger as someone is prone to saying...
They are really hoping the OS updates will keep hardware sales going with bells and whistles, but its totally backfiring and putting too much pressure on teams to find a problem to the solution they are coming up with. For example, how many times have you accessed your iPhone from your Mac? I did it once, never did it again.
 
2 years ago I said:



I laid out the parallels between Steve Jobs seeing the mouse at Xerox PARC and understanding its potential to what became the Macintosh, then Jobs seeing multitouch technology at FingerWorks and envisioning what became the iPhone. Then finally seeing Siri and understanding the future of conversational computing. But he died before he could execute on that vision and Tim Cook is not a visionary and could not see what Steve saw and let Siri languish.



I of course got the usual MacRumors short sighted dismissal typical of that famous iPod thread.

I ended with this:


Yup.
I remember when you wrote this and agreed with you heartedly at the time. But the thing is, you don’t have to be a visionary to understand that the feature that is on all Apple products and is therefore mostly THE face of Apple needs to be absolutely above reproach. Only one year of seeing negative comments about Siri should have been enough to make all of Apple stretch to make it exemplary. There is simply no other way to look at it.
 
I think you‘re one of those guys, who doesn‘t understand the impact of AI. The whole world is turning into the direction of Agentic AI, Agents, physical AI (Buzzword mania).
The point is, if you are not capable of this stuff as a software company like Apple - you‘re dead. Simple as that. And of course it will completely change that way we interact with our smartphone. With AI you get the power of a software development team as a user.
Lets say, you want a software that blocks you calendar for your holiday and adds default email messages to all you accounts. You needed to do everything manually, get your secretary to do the job our hire a software team to build a new App.
With AI it is more like „Hey phone, I‘m on holiday from … to …“ and it is done.

You don‘t have to open an App to control your vaccum cleaner robot, you just tell you phone it should start it - maybe with some details „please clean the livingroom“. An App is no longer needed, an App approval process is no longer needed, and so on.


I'm sure the companies care about it, but I don't and I don't work on tech. I see no point in talking to my phone or computer, and I don't want to chat with it like I do a person.

Others can do that, and that's fine. I'm just speaking from my point of view.
 
Tbf Apple Intelligence is the only reason we got 16gb to be the standard in Apple devices as opposed to the 8gb so I wouldn't say Apple is rotten lol. The day Apple reduces the prices of storage upgrades will be the day that Apple is truly beloved. But let's be honest. How many times have you used Apple Intelligence in the past 7 days? I don't know a single person who uses it, and I'm a tech savvy person
I only use cleanup in photos, but I absolutely love it.

I am remembering when Apple briefly allowed Siri to search your photos. Also, when I could have her add notations to notes, not just start a new one. Apple should be able to reinstate those features, since code is already written for those, even though it was abandoned, and make it look like Siri is making some advances even if she can’t do all the things yet that were promised to come in the future. I hope Apple does not sit back and see all the rightfully worded ill will from the misrepresentation of the features for OS 18 Siri, but at least gives us some features on its way to giving to the promised ones. Photos and contacts would be very popular popular places to start.
 
I only use cleanup in photos, but I absolutely love it.

I am remembering when Apple briefly allowed Siri to search your photos. Also, when I could have her add notations to notes, not just start a new one. Apple should be able to reinstate those features, since code is already written for those, even though it was abandoned, and make it look like Siri is making some advances even if she can’t do all the things yet that were promised to come in the future. I hope Apple does not sit back and see all the rightfully worded ill will from the misrepresentation of the features for OS 18 Siri, but at least gives us some features on its way to giving to the promised ones. Photos and contacts would be very popular popular places to start.

Clean up is something Google was shipping on Pixels years before ChatGPT existed. It's beneath table stakes - it was embarrassing that Apple had not shipped their own version.
 
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Clean up is something Google was shipping on Pixels years before ChatGPT. It's beneath table stakes - it was embarrassing that Apple had not shipped their own version.
Even more embarrassing is how bad it is compared to other, competing solutions doing the same thing.
 
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Even more embarrassing is how bad it is compared to other, competing solutions doing the same thing.
Yeah. It is much, much worse than Magic Eraser. You can try it for free in the Google Photos app on iPhone. Apple is behind. People should just accept that.
 
Could it be that the main difference between the hardware and software sides is that the former had to come into the office and the latter "worked" from home? Just like everywhere else, everyone must work in the office.
Absolutely!.

As a software engineer who has both worked from home and from the office I can tell you I am so much more productive when I have to spend an hour or more commuting every day. Working in a glass cube with 5 other engineers where I need to wear noise-cancelling headphones to block out distractions and still get interrupted constantly by people tapping me on the shoulder to ask a question just helps me to concentrate. Needing to spend time finding an empty conference room every time I want to make a phone call or brainstorm with some other engineers sends my productivity through the roof. Walking to meetings on the other side of campus so that I can sit in a conference room where half the people are on WebEx anyways because they are across the world is the best possible way to have a meeting.

It's just impossible to put in extra hours of work at home since it takes a whole 10 seconds to walk from my bedroom to my office. Being able to close the door and concentrate uninterrupted for long stretches of time makes writing code or debugging so much harder. Collaborating via Slack where I can reach out to experts across the whole organization instead of just those in my immediate vicinity and share my knowledge with others in ways that does not interrupt my workflow is just awful. Being able to pick up the phone or fire up WebEx and know I can have a private conversation without disturbing others or risking them overhearing confidential information is such a bummer.
 
Absolutely!.

As a software engineer who has both worked from home and from the office I can tell you I am so much more productive when I have to spend an hour or more commuting every day. Working in a glass cube with 5 other engineers where I need to wear noise-cancelling headphones to block out distractions and still get interrupted constantly by people tapping me on the shoulder to ask a question just helps me to concentrate. Needing to spend time finding an empty conference room every time I want to make a phone call or brainstorm with some other engineers sends my productivity through the roof. Walking to meetings on the other side of campus so that I can sit in a conference room where half the people are on WebEx anyways because they are across the world is the best possible way to have a meeting.

It's just impossible to put in extra hours of work at home since it takes a whole 10 seconds to walk from my bedroom to my office. Being able to close the door and concentrate uninterrupted for long stretches of time makes writing code or debugging so much harder. Collaborating via Slack where I can reach out to experts across the whole organization instead of just those in my immediate vicinity and share my knowledge with others in ways that does not interrupt my workflow is just awful. Being able to pick up the phone or fire up WebEx and know I can have a private conversation without disturbing others or risking them overhearing confidential information is such a bummer.
While I tend to agree, it CLEARLY doesn't work for Apple if this is the result. Our personal pref on WFH is not relevant, they aren't capable.
 
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Could it be that the main difference between the hardware and software sides is that the former had to come into the office and the latter "worked" from home? Just like everywhere else, everyone must work in the office.
What a dumb take. The people who work on Siri have been working in person since before the iPhone 4s. How is that working out?
 
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When Siri was first released as an app, it was a groundbreaking innovation that captured the public’s imagination. With Apple’s vast resources and expertise, the company had the potential to refine and elevate Siri into the most advanced and widely used AI-powered voice assistant in the world. However, Apple seemingly chose to deprioritize its development, assuming they could afford to neglect the division without significant consequences. It’s likely that Tim Cook never fully envisioned Siri’s true potential. Moreover, those responsible for acquiring Siri for nearly $200 million are almost certainly no longer part of Apple today.

Back in the day, if I ask Siri to set a timer for 3 minutes, it would reply "Setting timer for 3 minutes, don't overcook that egg". Now, Siri just starts a timer. So boring.
If Siri were a paid feature on the devices. It would have improved long ago.
 
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What a dumb take. The people who work on Siri have been working in person since before the iPhone 4s. How is that working out?
So you're saying an empty box and separation is probably in order?
 
So you're saying an empty box and separation is probably in order?
How about Apple just gives up and licenses something? How many years of failures must users accept?

For enough money, Apple can buy a solution where Apple hosts the tech and someone who knows what they are doing makes it. Privacy can be preserved, though that's mostly a late Cook-era marketing term.
 
How about Apple just gives up and licenses something? How many years of failures must users accept?
great idea. They did it for silicon, they did it for test flight, they CAN do it, so what's the holdup except maybe misguided pride?
 
I'm sure the companies care about it, but I don't and I don't work on tech. I see no point in talking to my phone or computer, and I don't want to chat with it like I do a person.

Others can do that, and that's fine. I'm just speaking from my point of view.
I stand by your perspective. I talked to my phone for a few months back in '23. My significant other used to laugh at me for talking to my phone. Now, every text message they send me has been transcribed by Siri. Alarms and timers for things? I hear a voice calling out to their phone, "Siri, set an n min timer," or "Siri, turn on my hh:mm alarm."

(Why did I stop talking to my phone? Anything I asked my phone to do required my phone to be in an unlocked state to do anything. Why talk to my phone to get directions if I have to stop and unlock my phone first. I might as well pull over, do the needful, and then continue on my way.)
 
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I stand by your perspective. I talked to my phone for a few months back in '23. My significant other used to laugh at me for talking to my phone. Now, every text message they send me has been transcribed by Siri. Alarms and timers for things? I hear a voice calling out to their phone, "Siri, set an n min timer," or "Siri, turn on my hh:mm alarm."

(Why did I stop talking to my phone? Anything I asked my phone to do required my phone to be in an unlocked state to do anything. Why talk to my phone to get directions if I have to stop and unlock my phone first. I might as well pull over, do the needful, and then continue on my way.)
I appreciate that this was anticipated and so Gemini can do this- if you turn it on- without unlocking. Why can't Apple let this work if an Apple watch is close? I dunno just spit-balling
 
I'm sure the companies care about it, but I don't and I don't work on tech. I see no point in talking to my phone or computer, and I don't want to chat with it like I do a person.

Others can do that, and that's fine. I'm just speaking from my point of view.
You just prove that you don‘t know, that you are already using AI functionality. There is no way to avoid using AI functionality - even if you keep saying you don‘t need it. Especially if you don‘t work on tech - if you talk to a person you won‘t know if it is an AI and if you enter a search into a search engine, some AI functionality is triggered.

Your iPhone camera takes pictures, but what it shows to you is an AI generated/MLP modified picture, the sky has the color your iPhone thinks it should have. And when you search „cars“ in your photos, AI functionality takes over - but of course, you don‘t use such kind of functionality.

The world is changing …
 
How about Apple just gives up and licenses something? How many years of failures must users accept?

For enough money, Apple can buy a solution where Apple hosts the tech and someone who knows what they are doing makes it. Privacy can be preserved, though that's mostly a late Cook-era marketing term.
Siri was a bought product. Look what they have done with it.
 
I can just imagine the TechBro AI future. Everyone walking around malls and shopping centres, yelling at their phones, hoping their phones hear them over everyone else yelling at their phones, because they’ve all forgotten how to do things themselves. 😆
 
You just prove that you don‘t know, that you are already using AI functionality. There is no way to avoid using AI functionality - even if you keep saying you don‘t need it. Especially if you don‘t work on tech - if you talk to a person you won‘t know if it is an AI and if you enter a search into a search engine, some AI functionality is triggered.

Your iPhone camera takes pictures, but what it shows to you is an AI generated/MLP modified picture, the sky has the color your iPhone thinks it should have. And when you search „cars“ in your photos, AI functionality takes over - but of course, you don‘t use such kind of functionality.

The world is changing …

I'm referring to LLM-gpt style. Rebadged AI, that would previously be called machine learning is what you're talking about....until marketing took over, isn't what I'm talking about.
 
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Siri was a bought product. Look what they have done with it.
Which is why I am saying 'license' and not buy. License something. Use that as a stop gap. Buy something that's AI-based, which Siri never was.
 
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