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I'm running a 2014 MBP with a 4K/60Hz monitor over DisplayPort, so I was confused. But reading your link a bit more closely, and it seems that 2013 and up supported 4k on Multi-Stream Transport monitors, but you need 2015 if your monitor is Single-Stream Transport only.

I have a Dell P2415Q with MST support. My rMBP 13'' 2014 can only output 4K / UHD at 30Hz. For 60Hz support a 2015 13'' model is needed.

I'm guessing you have a 15'' model with dedicated graphics?
 
What's this talk about needing a TB3 dock for a one-cable docking solution. USB-C by itself (yes, even power) is perfectly suited to that requirement. TB3 isn't needed. Neither is $300.

https://www.amazon.com/CalDigit-USB-C-Docking-Station-DisplayPort/dp/B01AX6J7P4 $150

Unless you're on a 15" (for the power draw) that should be totally fine. Shouldn't be much longer until there's one with a higher wattage either.
 
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Out of 20 mac owners I know, not a single one owns a thunderbolt dock. So for my sample size of 20, the ownership is 0% so far.

Same here.

I bought the first MBP with a Thunderbolt port 5 years ago and I bought the first Thunderbolt accessory a few weeks ago (an SSD external drive).

Everyone around me (family and coworkers) are using Macs and I have never seen anyone using Thunderbolt for anything other than connecting a display until I bought that external drive.
 
Well, I didn't leave the Apple ecosystem, but after seriously considering buying a new MacBook Pro, I just couldn't justify the cost. I bought a 2015 2.5 512gb refurb. I know it's not quite up to the levels of the new one in some ways, but at least it won't mean I have to buy a bunch of dongles. And, since it's secondary machine, 512 Gb is enough.

My daughter is happy enough to take my 2015 13" MacBook Pro off my hands to replace her older 11" Air.
 
Because the competition hasn't exceeded the mac *yet*, I am not sure I'm going to flat out exodus. That may just end up hurting myself. However, I can't buy the new mbp and still respect myself due to its high price....so the used market is likely the best option for me. This way I get the product that I want without giving Apple any more sales. I don't mind the mac as long as I don't get ripped off. Right now, these prices are highway robbery. It's the lack of innovation + the WAY higher price. It's like they made a checklist of what consumers wanted and then did the exact opposite. It's like one of those people who just want to be a contrarian just because they want to, not because it serves any known purpose.

If they simply added thunderbolt 3 to the old MacBook pros, added kaby lake in 3 months, and left everything else the same--same weight, same design....people would buy these old ones over the new ones. I don't know about you, but the old retina screens are plenty fine for me.
 
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Yep, it's crazy people still don't get this. For me, on the old MBP, I'd use magsafe, usb-A, display port and headphone jack. It's foolish to try to please everybody with their own favorite ports.

On the new MPB, I would simply have one usb-c cable to the monitor and and usb hub daisy-chained to the monitor. Away from the office I wouldn't really need anything. That is an advantage everytime I connect/disconnect it.

That said, I would miss magsafe.


I just backed the Snapnator on kickstarter ... I miss the magsafe too, saved my Air approx. 20-30 time from instant death.
 
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Same here.

I bought the first MBP with a Thunderbolt port 5 years ago and I bought the first Thunderbolt accessory a few weeks ago (an SSD external drive).

Everyone around me (family and coworkers) are using Macs and I have never seen anyone using Thunderbolt for anything other than connecting a display until I bought that external drive.

Thunderbolt is great, but it really is only needed for high-bandwidth applications. Couple that with the high cost of Thunderbolt peripherals and I can see why it hasn't gone mainstream.

I use Thunderbolt for my RAID 5 array. (20 TB, spinning disk, 4-drive array) and it is smoking fast. Every time I access it for large files, it still amazes me even after 2 years of heavy use. But when it comes to a single drive, Thunderbolt is not worth it since USB 3/3.1 can already transfer the data faster than the drive can read/write so it is a moot point. Why spend an additional $50-$60 to get Thunderbolt when it makes zero difference in performance for a single drive? (Not directing this at one person, just a discussion point for all.)

Thunderbolt is amazing when you need it. Unfortunately, we are still somewhat limited in the number of real-world situations that require it. However, this is rapidly changing as people begin to drive high-resolution displays and especially as they daisy-chain additional peripherals onto those displays.
 
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Thunderbolt is great, but it really is only needed for high-bandwidth applications. Couple that with the high cost of Thunderbolt peripherals and I can see why it hasn't gone mainstream.

I use Thunderbolt for my RAID 5 array. (20 TB, spinning disk, 4-drive array) and it is smoking fast. Every time I access it for large files, it still amazes me even after 2 years of heavy use. But when it comes to a single drive, Thunderbolt is not worth it since USB 3/3.1 can already transfer the data faster than the drive can read/write so it is a moot point. Why spend an additional $50-$60 to get Thunderbolt when it makes zero difference in performance for a single drive? (Not directing this at one person, just a discussion point for all.)

Thunderbolt is amazing when you need it. Unfortunately, we are still somewhat limited in the number of real-world situations that require it. However, this is rapidly changing as people begin to drive high-resolution displays and especially as they daisy-chain additional peripherals onto those displays.

Indeed, very few people need Thunderbolt over USB 3 which is why the move from Apple is too extreme IMO. Even if USB-C is the future, the one port to rule them all yada yada.

The most demanding video editors working on a laptop won't need more than a pair of Thunderbolt 3 ports. 1 for connecting hi res displays, and 1 for a RAID. If you need to connect more than that you probably need a desktop anyway. Hopefully a new Mac Pro is coming to overcome the disappointing GPU performance of the new MBPs.
 
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