Dat noise when you pick it up by the corner and the whole thing starts creaking and popping like grandma
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Dat noise when you pick it up by the corner and the whole thing starts creaking and popping like grandma
It used to be you payed a premium for an Apple product and had a 1st class experience - these days it's stand-by only.
Maybe it's just me but this dongle looks like a recipe of disaster. With the lever effect of the length of this thing, you put quite some pressure on this little USB-C port, just a matter of time to wear it out or break it. Well luckily on the base 13" at least you have a second port, on the MB you are out of luck altogether when this happens...
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The Yoga 910 is very nice! So far I dig it! I was doing some reading earlier and came across a few reviews where they compare specs and stats to the base Macbook Pro.
Here is one such review (can see the spec comparisons)
Macbook review (with stat / spec comparisons to Yoga 910) --> http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/macbook-pro-13-inch#
Overall they gave the base Macbook Pro 4 stars. In relation to that, they gave the Yoga 910, 4 1/2 stars..
Yoga 910 review --> http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-yoga-910
I get it this is a Mac site but slamming the competition, who offers more for less $$$$ is a bit odd..
The world around Apple has *radically* changed though. It *did* build powerhouses for their time - mainly because the alternatives in 2006 were not portable - and their increasingly long update cycles and mediocre-at-launch internals means that the opportunity cost for a business choosing Apple is getting wider and wider.
Say you're an architect who wants to quick render on site for a client. Use an Apple machine and do it in 40 minutes, or a Windows machine that's essentially just as portable and do it in 6 minutes? That time costs real money.
No, Apple has never built powerhouses. All of their laptops for the past 10+ years have been more powerful CPU wise than most, but still within a relatively small TDP window. People are complaining today because they aren't using 100W+ TDP graphics cards. Well no Apple laptop has ever used cards like that. There are Windows machines that do - and some of them are even thin and light today vs the 8lbs they were a few years ago (although many of them are *still* 8lbs when you factor in the power supplies). But the kind of use you suggest is so far out the long tail of use cases that a company like Apple isn't going to chase it. There's no money in it. And they've never chased that niche. Ever.
Where are you getting 40min and 6min from? Talk about Exaggeration to make an invalid point.
Exactly. The market is shifting and companies are starting to focus on enthusiasts and performance segments more than mainstream. About damn time. It's why Best Buy is now selling MSI, Razer, and Alienware laptops. I was browsing around at my local BB and the sales rep said they are trying to compete with Microcenter and offer legit brick and mortar gaming / powerhouse laptops. We now see desktop class graphics cards in laptops and even desktop processors. Apple needs to adapt or die and become simply a niche phone and smart watch company that will slowly fade away. Enthusiasts and performance focused consumers spend far more than mainstream users do. And spend more often.
I plan on using my new Blade for more than just some gaming while away from home. Mobile quad core i7 CPU in that 14" form factor is so sweet.
http://jonpeddie.com/publications/pc_gaming_hardware_market_report
Focuses more on high end peripherals than pure power notebooks. Just a quick link semi-related.
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My god people. You don't pay JUST for the hardware on an Apple system. You also pay for the superior products like MacOS, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, GarageBand, and more. THIS IS WHY I GET APPLE SYSTEMS.
If you get an Apple system just for the specs, you should have always been disappointed as this has always been the case.
If you get an Apple system just for the specs, you should have always been disappointed as this has always been the case.
But that's also the reason for the rage here. If Lenovo launches a new windows machine with lack of ports or other things that are diskliked, people buy an HP, Dell or whatever. For Apple if you like the software environment, you have no choice and recently it feels like Apple is abusing this somewhat.
We were talking about what's available for professionals across OS'es - because the point was that Apple's top end is now ends way, way before rival portable top ends.
You're saying that's not a fair number for a Dell mobile workstation with a Intel Xeon and a Nvidia Quadro? It's generous to Apple, if anything, by far.
^^^ I agree! I like MacOS much better but when I can get a better spec'd Yoga 910 for $500 less, the decision becomes much easier..
I'm thinking Apple's logic is that laptops used to need charging every 4-6 hours, so Magsafe was often necessary, but with laptops now needing charging every 9-10 hours, all day use is possible and charging at nite is becoming the new norm.
I don't use any of those programs, aside from MacOS. I use a portable scanner, printer, additional monitor, wireless ergonomic keyboard and mouse, and oh yeah, Apple's own iPhone. None of these devices can be connected to the new MBP out of the box. This is why I will never buy another Apple system in the foreseeable future.
You didn't include Aperture in that list. Oh wait, they discontinued that.
Doesn't seem odd to me. There's always about two weeks of threads like this after a major Apple redesign.
You should have been around here back in 2012 when Apple dropped the SuperDrive, Ethernet, FireWire, and anti-glare option from the MacBook Pros (at the same time they raised by the price by 22% for the "good" build and 27% for the "best" build). The level of pissed-offness then was more then what you're seeing now, IMO.
And there are projectors and old monitors that I need to use that only have VGA or DVI. Guess what? I have needed adapters for these for YEARS AND YEARS. I don't go around stomping my feet and whining all day about it. Just get a damn USB-C to USB-A adapter for cheap.
https://www.amazon.com/Aerb-Adapter...d=1478488759&sr=8-3&keywords=usb-c+to+usb+3.0
$6 ******* dollars for TWO. That is 0.4% the price of the BASE 13". My god people get a grip.
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Yup, these people are about to experience Dell "support" first hand.
I have an XPS13 for work with a flawed touchpad driver that they never bothered updating. It also has the dreaded Dell laptop coil whine.
My nephew's alienware's graphics card went kaput and they kept sending out techs to fix everything but the graphics card.
The ironic thing to me is that most of those components will probably last you another 3-5 years anyway, so you're still likely to need to replace their USB-A cables with USB-C cables eventually, no matter what brand your next computer is.
And there are just as many Macbook's that fail.. Now I will give Apple credit, their support is fast, friendly and top notch...
Skewing facts and trying to scare people with bogus info does not change the Macbook being seriously overpriced for what you get...
I don't mind paying some Apple tax but this is ridiculous!
I don't agree with that. There is an issue when other manufacturers like to throw in a GTX 1070+ in a LAPTOP. They get too hot easily and cause more failures.
Not at all.
My 2014 MBP has Thunderbolt 2 and I can only connect to UHD 30Hz or 4K 24Hz.
For some reason 4K 60Hz only started with the 2015 models.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587
[doublepost=1478491691][/doublepost]Count me in the exodus boat after a decade of using macOS.
I'm not leaving because of these new MBPs, for me that was only the drop that spilled the cup.
1. Lack of hardware options
Depending on Apple to pick the hardware for us is frustrating. One day you have your tower Mac Pro and the next it's gone, replaced by a glorified Mac Mini. Or now the iMac line comes with mobile GPUs. Or some day Apple announces you will be better using dongles and adapters. All of these are capricious decisions IMO that are not really based on reality.
2. Loss of hardware value
Apple has been making its computers almost impossible to repair and upgrade. This means you depend on expensive repairs and you won't be able to upgrade your machines (see for example the custom GPUs on the 2013 Mac Pro). If you add that to the Apple prices it becomes just ridiculous.
3. No pro service
When buying an Apple computer you get 1 year of warranty. After that you are on your own. Repairs, which are expensive, only have 90 days of warranty. If you want to get 3 years of warranty you have to add 10-15% on top of the product price which drives the value of the product down even more. See point 2.
When buying a Dell Precision series, the mobile workstations by Dell, you get 3 years of warranty by default. In site. Dell sends someone to your office of home to repair the machine.
I prefer macOS over Windows, but for these reasons I just can't keep buying Apple hardware. I've messed with Hackintoshes since 2010, and in my experience these are a headache more than anything.
On the desktop front nothing beats a custom built Windows machine which you can design to fit your exact needs and repair / upgrade yourself with minimal cost and downtime. All this at less than half the price vs Apple desktops which seem pretty dead these days.
On the laptop front Apple makes beautiful thin laptops, but these aren't designed towards latest specs or great value considering all the reasons posted earlier.
You weren't a victim of stain-gate were you? Or the dGPU failure.
I had a MacBook with staingate, and it sucked. Apple refused to admit there was a problem and the community had to create a website/pursue a class action lawsuit before Apple finally took notice. Then the dGPUs were failing, and people who may have missed the recall notice were left with essentially ticking timebombs.
Also - I had the XPS13, it's a precision trackpad - what driver issue are you referring to? I didn't have any issue with it...
Typically, every year I buy one Apple product. In my head the dilemma is more "new iphone, new mbp, new ipad, maybe a watch?! I want them all!" And I have to restreint myself. I'm not saying it's useful to update every year, I'm a technology big fan like a lot of us here, and spend my money on it because I love, that's as simple as that. But for two years now I didn't upgrade anything... i was waiting for the new iPhone 7 and was very diapointed. Then I said to myself I'll maybe try this apple watch if the new one is great! Well.. the new one is the same except that I can shower with it..? Not enough to make me want it. So at least when I read about new design changes of mbp, new processors I was hyped! And in the end, guess what? For the first time it's been two years since I havn't give to Apple a single euro from my poket... My point is, if mbr gets so much "hate", it's just an accumulation of disapointments from Apple... When Steve died, I've read so many times that "apple was dead too" and I've always think it was very foolish to think so.. But these days, I question myself... Is apple still alive? I guess yes.. but for how long?... iPhone 8 better be good because it would be the one too many deception...