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When buying a Dell Precision series, the mobile workstations by Dell, you get 3 years of warranty by default. In site. Dell sends someone to your office of home to repair the machine.

Only on the top-end Precision 7000 series. The rest of the Precision laptops come standard with a 1 year warranty like everyone else.
 
How quickly you forgot when Apple forced the PEE Yellow screens on us and said there was nothing wrong with them. That is the first time I left Apple for awhile.
Now I am thinking of selling my 2011 13" and buying the 15"MBP because my Razer was delivered with a bad screen when I first received it and now slightly out of warranty it has yet another bad screen that they considered warrantying but then told me NO. They won't even sell me a screen so I can repair it myself they want to charge me $600.00 for replacement.
Another thing with the razer is any pressure on the screen distorts it even resting against your leg while sitting in your chair.


I don't agree with that. There is an issue when other manufacturers like to throw in a GTX 1070+ in a LAPTOP. They get too hot easily and cause more failures.
 
You gotta admit, the USB-C ports are pretty versatile.

They're all capable of:
  • Charging
  • DisplayPort
  • Thunderbolt
  • USB 3.1
They are great, no discussion. So is a Ferrari - but I wouldn't want to go on skiing holiday with it. Versatility also means different options, like we used to have them, in shape of different ports.
 
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Only on the top-end Precision 7000 series. The rest of the Precision laptops come standard with a 1 year warranty like everyone else.

Not in my country. The Dell 5000 series, which I'm considering as my next laptop, also gets 3 years of pro warranty.
 
Everything you listed you knew before you bought the machine and you did it anyway which is amazing.
It's sounds to me that you should just buy the 2015 version instead. Nothing wrong with that version. Leave the 2016 version to those that don't have so many of your hindrances impairing their usage.
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Post here tomorrow what PC you bought and if you are liking it.

I did, I bought a dell PC for work recently. The last time apple updated their desktops was 2 or 3 years ago. I got an i7 6700, 16GB ram, 2TB hard drive for less than a middle of the line 2014 mac mini. My pc will run laps around that thing.
 
Yup, these people are about to experience Dell "support" first hand.

I have an XPS13 for work with a flawed touchpad driver that they never bothered updating. It also has the dreaded Dell laptop coil whine.

My nephew's alienware's graphics card went kaput and they kept sending out techs to fix everything but the graphics card.

So its an older xps13? Because if its a newer one, besides for having a great touchpad, it uses the Microsoft precision touchpad drivers. So the updates are directly rolled into windows update.

I have never had problems with dell support, and the fact they send techs to your house or work site is rather convenient.

You can't base your opinion on a forum, go by expert reviews. If we base our opinions of the Macbook pro on this forum, we would have to assume they are junk.
 
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Dying as in keyboard wearing out, track pad wearing out, click keys wearing out, and constant high frequency whine from fan.

It just sounds like you had a bad batch because I don't know any laptop, Dell or otherwise that would "wear out" in the way you describe. Did you speak to Dell about it?
 
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This is a very interesting thread. I was looking up information on how I can get OSX in VMWare or VirtualBox as I am considering my own exodus.

I do not upgrade that often, because my older Macs have been able to last me for quite some time and have allowed me in the past to bridge the gap over new devices, etc.

I currently use top of the line early 2016 MBP, and I love this laptop. I was worried when they were talking about changes, that they might find a way to somehow diminish for the current setup.

My office is split currently between Macs and Dell laptops (running Windows 10 or Linux), and we are a development shop. I look at the hardware they use, and it is pretty good and is less expensive than my MBP, so they get updated every 2 years.

I laugh at their power connector, because MagSafe is one of the best design decisions that ever came out of Cupertino. Heck, we have TONS of chargers that are used by whoever needs it.

Having used Dell Precision laptops with top of the line specs in my last job, I can tell that they will more than meet my needs in terms of power and capability. What keeps most of us attached here is OSX, but at some point the cost and the heart break of sticking to OSX because of the stupid decisions in Cupertino are going to going to drive us away, and I am for one trying to figure out how I will ride that out.

I honestly see only two ways:
1) Get the last non-touch MBP and hope it lasts long enough that Apple gets their act together (I can dream right?)
2) Switch to a decent non-Apple laptop, and have OSX be a VM for only apps that are must have. For everything else, we will survive in a Windows world.
 
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Not at all.

My 2014 MBP has Thunderbolt 2 and I can only connect to UHD 30Hz or 4K 24Hz.

For some reason 4K 60Hz only started with the 2015 models.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206587

I'm running a 2014 MBP with a 4K/60Hz monitor over DisplayPort, so I was confused. But reading your link a bit more closely, and it seems that 2013 and up supported 4k on Multi-Stream Transport monitors, but you need 2015 if your monitor is Single-Stream Transport only.
 
I did, I bought a dell PC for work recently. The last time apple updated their desktops was 2 or 3 years ago. I got an i7 6700, 16GB ram, 2TB hard drive for less than a middle of the line 2014 mac mini. My pc will run laps around that thing.
I use both, except I rarely connect my PC to the interwebs. Apple should integrate an iOS chip like they do in the MBP, but for the desktop use it to provide an iOS VM for web browsing. That would be a killer feature, and something that I would definitely get behind.
 
I don't use any of those programs, aside from MacOS. I use a portable scanner, printer, additional monitor, wireless ergonomic keyboard and mouse, and oh yeah, Apple's own iPhone. None of these devices can be connected to the new MBP out of the box. This is why I will never buy another Apple system in the foreseeable future.

So you'd rather have 10 cords plugged into your machine vs one cord and a mobile docking station? Different strokes.
 
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So you'd rather have 10 cords plugged into your machine vs one cord and a mobile docking station? Different strokes.

Only .001% percent of users use a thunderbolt dock. The rest of the 99% of the users will be dealing with dongles every single day.
Besides thunderbolt 3 dock costs $279 and it's not even out yet.
 
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Only .001% percent of users use a thunderbolt dock. The rest of the 99% of the users will be dealing with dongles every single day.
Besides thunderbolt 3 dock costs $279 and it's not even out yet.

In the business world (i.e. where 'professionals' ostensibly roam) docks have been extremely common for decades. They have only been uncommon in the Mac world because it's never been something that Apple has pushed. Thunderbolt 3 should change that in the not-too-distant future.
 
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Only .001% percent of users use a thunderbolt dock. The rest of the 99% of the users will be dealing with dongles every single day.
Besides thunderbolt 3 dock costs $279 and it's not even out yet.

You do know there are some docks that cost less than $50 don't you?
 
You do know there are some docks that cost less than $50 don't you?
Try again! The ones you buy for $50 are not thunderbolt docks and can't offer single cable solution for charging/monitor/ports.

The only docks which can do a true "single" cable setup are thunderbolt 3 docks, which didn't even come out yet.
 
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Only .001% percent of users use a thunderbolt dock. The rest of the 99% of the users will be dealing with dongles every single day.
Besides thunderbolt 3 dock costs $279 and it's not even out yet.

Interesting figures. Source? Or are you pulling these number from an unmentionable place?

Check out HooToo.
 
Interesting figures. Source? Or are you pulling these number from an unmentionable place?

Check out HooToo.
Out of 20 mac owners I know, not a single one owns a thunderbolt dock. So for my sample size of 20, the ownership is 0% so far.

Your average consumer will never spend 200 bucks on a stinking thunderbolt dock. Average consumer doesn't even know what that it is. Average consumer will be dealing with dongles every single day
 
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Out of 20 mac owners I know, not a single one owns a thunderbolt dock. So for my sample size of 20, the ownership is 0% so far.

Your average consumer will never spend 200 bucks on a stinking thunderbolt dock. Average consumer doesn't even know what that it is. Average consumer will be dealing with dongles every single day

So you're estimating the entire population based on 20 people you know?

And you think the average user is too dumb to figure out the benefits of a dock?

Jaw dropping incredible performance on your part.
 
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So you're estimating the entire population based on 20 people you know?

And you think the average user is too dumb to figure out the benefits of a dock?

Jaw dropping incredible performance on your part.
And you are estimating your claims on what? Nothing?
 
And then there are those of us who connect our laptops up to multiple external displays and use them as a desktop computer as well as a laptop. When I used my Macbook Pro this way (before I got an iMac), I would regularly have the two thunderbolt ports connected up to two displays, the HDMI port connected to a third display (which works with the laptop closed), the two USB ports plugged into 7 port hubs, the Magsafe port connected for power, and a set of speakers plugged in via the headphone socket port. That only left the SD card slot unused, and even that was regularly utilised for video files.

When I first saw photos of the Macbook with its one port I actually burst out laughing, I thought it was a joke, but at least they had only done this to a machine that was supposed to be as portable as possible. The new Macbook Pro, however, is NOT supposed to be an ultra portable machine, it's supposed to be aimed at users who need a powerful and versatile laptop. The compromises of the Macbook are TOTALLY unacceptable on the Macbook Pro - two ports on the entry level model and the four ports on the more expensive version are a joke. What kind of professional or dedicated hobbyist wants to deal with daisy-chained dongles to bring back basic functionality that they already had?

The iPhone 7 with the loss of the headphone port is one thing, but at least that can be bypassed with a set of bluetooth headphones. This is FAR worse.

I realize that it will cost quite a bit more, but if you want a 2016 rMBP, you should consider ordering one of the new TB3 docs coming out. (Around $300) They offer all those connections with a single connection to the new MacBook Pro. Seems better than the way you described it, having to pull all those different connections each time you take our current MBP away from the desk.
 
I realize that it will cost quite a bit more, but if you want a 2016 rMBP, you should consider ordering one of the new TB3 docs coming out. (Around $300) They offer all those connections with a single connection to the new MacBook Pro. Seems better than the way you described it, having to pull all those different connections each time you take our current MBP away from the desk.

So you are saying we should be overpaying $300 for a thunderbolt dock to solve a problem which didn't exist previously (with 2015 model). And that's on top of the fact that 2016 model is already $400 dollars more expensive than 2015 model which didn't require all those extra expenses and workarounds.
 
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