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Jon Rubinstein Compares Lukewarm TouchPad Reception to Original Mac OS X
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OpenGL performance is slacking a bit in snow leopard, but it appears lion will fix that. As for overall system performance, OS X wins due it being far less bloated than windows. Microsoft doesn't know what "drop legacy support" means. Fewer lines of code usually translates to improved performance, although it depends on the code.
I vote for HP to rewrite webOS from the ground up.
Start by hiring the guys who did the Quicken rewrite from the ground up.
Then for a new tablet design get the designers who design American appliances, Sunbeam, GE, Black & Decker, Broan etc. and involve the value analysts from the accounting department to make sure only the flimsiest materials are used.
Then support the Made in America wish and produce it all here.
Ideally they would then televise -a FIRST- how the finished assembled products get thrown into a dumpster right off the production line by happy union workers.
Cut out the middleman (wholesaler, retailer, consumer and dump directly!).
One can dream or?.......................
Mostly positive!? All I see in this thread is smug remarks like "idiot", "moron", "incompetent fool" etc.
People seem to forget that his man was behind the product that saved Apple, the iPod. I guess soon people will comment with things like "Oh, he wasn't that important to the development of the iPod anyway", "The iPod would've been made sooner or later without him since all those great ideas originates from Steve anyway" and "Uumh, I've never owned an iPod, so I don't think it's what saved Apple"
That was a decade ago.
Ruby's current track record isn't that great (that whole unpleasantness with Palm, etc.) and he's on his own now - no Apple. And now . . . a really weak tablet release.
Very un-Apple, to be honest.
Marathon? Well said. Have you ever considered releasing it when you are closer to the finish line? If you know you are selling a half-done product, then why are you charging people full price?
I played around with the TouchPad at a local Best Buy. It's a nice interface but the hardware sucked. The accelerometer was slow to respond and it was just awkward to hold in general. I love Apple, Mac OS X, and iOS but I do like webOS. Unfortunately, the TouchPad doesnt do it justice. It's apparent that HP cut corners to get the price down to match Apple but unless there's a major discount in the future, I dont see why I should buy a TouchPad when I can buy a iPad for the same price.
Hey, I think my Mac running Snow Leopard is a thing of beauty, but Android has more of the smart phone market than Macs and OS X have of the computer market. I still think he would have been better off comparing the TouchPad to Android's start.
I think this is a valid claim against the webOS teething argument. webOS was slower due to the nature of the beast at launch (similar to the OS X argument). However, it has been years and the TouchPad hardware is far superior to the Pre 1. Yet, there doesn't seem to be any improvement.
It took Apple a little over a year (10.0 to 10.2) to largely fix the OS X speed issues. A little over two years if you want to go out to 10.3. They've had over two years for webOS 1.0 to 3.0 and the performance issues are still there. Why?
The major difference is OSX had built-in legacy (OS9/Classic) support, and so launched with a large app library. It was also quickly built into a fully functional OS and accompanied by HW that took full advantage of it (G5's). Palm has had several years and is now on v3.0 (I think) with little to no improvement in the App situation or apparently resolving the various stability/HW issues. Yeah 10.1 sucked, but by 10.3 it was almost as stable as 9, most of the apps were native/UB, and most of the power users I knew (a/v producers mostly) had switched or were at least learning it. Web OS is simply DOA unless its actually polished at each iteration, heavily invested in, and launched on much better HW. For example, it isn't even running on the majority of Palm hardware (Pre/+/Pixis are still stuck at version 1 and basically abandoned!) and yet reviewers claim the TouchPad is still sluggish! (even @ 1.2/5 GHz)
(edit): I see the guy above just posted the same gist!
(edit): I see the guy above just posted the same gist!
I agree with the motivational speech as well. The counter point is when does a product become so entrenched that it is impossible to supplant, even though a better product might come along? If HP and others don't hurry, it'll be iPod Sequel 2.
Well, they better start sprinting to catch up with Apple, Apple is way ahead and running at a faster pace.
Youre right. Its amazing to see how pathetically immature a large number of Apple fanboys are when someone says anything less than wonderful about Apples products. People will endlessly argue in favor of Apple no matter what the less-than-perfect comment was. What a brilliant choice it was to focus on producing iToys for such a crowd.
Lots of Microsofts' customers are HP customers first with MS included. HP are the ones out building the customer relationships with the corporate customers who keep MS alive. HP have leverage over MS as MS don't make the whole widget so can't directly offer a direct alternative.
HP can target these customers at will with WebOS in much the same way they can offer Servers with a range of Suitable OS's and all MS can do is make noise.
Lighten up, Francis.
It's like when a great band breaks up. It's hard to say who was really responsible for what.
Take Pink Floyd for example. A lot of people wanted to credit Roger Waters as the primary force behind everything they did, but it became obvious after a few solo albums that the real genius of the band lay in the interplay of Waters' lyrics and conceptual work with the musicianship and production acumen of David Gilmour. Without that, Waters' work fell short and became considerably less interesting and affecting.
Rubenstein may have done some brilliant work at Apple, but that was at Apple, where he had others with equally compelling ideas and some apparent interplay between them all. It does appear, especially after two lackluster, high-profile product launches (the Palm Pre and the TouchPad) that Rubenstein's great ideas may not be able to stand on their own very well.
Exacto
I had the blackberry storm 1 to compensate no iphone on vz and my animosity was like when your car rolls down a hill backwards into a pack of rabid goats followed by it exploding as it goes off a cliff into a rocky river. (prior... really cool lg flip phone.)
that was all software & a dumbass click screen & no wifi. i remember there being even more crapier crap on the market that was a "touch smartphone"
The storm broke 3x within a year (each time it was the phone not me, all under warranty)-- made the switch to at&t for the 3gs and so far not going back (grandfather into unlimited data, talk&surf)
I had the blackberry storm 1 to compensate no iphone on vz and my animosity was like when your car rolls down a hill backwards into a pack of rabid goats followed by it exploding as it goes off a cliff into a rocky river. (prior... really cool lg flip phone.)
that was all software & a dumbass click screen & no wifi. i remember there being even more crapier crap on the market that was a "touch smartphone"
The storm broke 3x within a year (each time it was the phone not me, all under warranty)-- made the switch to at&t for the 3gs and so far not going back (grandfather into unlimited data, talk&surf)
Yes, all true, but this is more than a decade later, which is a lifetime in technology evolution. Hardware, software, and expectations have evolved considerably since then. Were MacOS 10.0 released today it would be eviscerated by critics for its performance.
FWIW: OpenGL support in the Linux Desktop hasn't even reached OpenGL 2.x status. It is only reaching OpenGL ES 2.0 with KDE 4.7 in Kwin for window compositing.
Xorg is still at Server/Client GLX 1.4/1.5 with even Nvidia's latest 280.x drivers. That will change with Wayland, but that only uses OpenGL ES and won't be fully OpenGL 2.x until they blow up X completely and GLX.
OS X has been OpenGL 2.x for several years, system-wide. With Lion it's now OpenGL 3.2 compliant and the Shader Language (GLSL 1.5) that goes with it.
OS X will be OpenGL 4.x compliant long before Linux even touches 3.x.
You may be too young to remember that when HP got into the computer business, it was the mid-60's.
Jon wasn't behind the product that saved Apple. Jon was the VP who oversaw a world class of engineers, designers, directors and managers who made the iPod, under Steve's vision.
Jon hasn't had direct engineering, hands on work with designing hardware since the NeXTStation and the HP APOLLO, and that failed Motorola corporation post his NeXT Days which ended by 1993.
The Machine not mentioned is the NeXTStation codenamed, ``The Brick,'' which was a Dual CPU PowerPC based CPU and it sits in Apple Engineering to this day.
Wikipedia calls it the : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT_RISC_Workstation
They were all RISC NeXT Workstations.
He never designed the original NeXTStation or it's predecessor, the NeXTCube. Those were other very talented folks.
Good one, but of course the prior poster would have save themselves if they had cited HP-UX and HP PA-RISC Architecture that NeXTStep/Openstep ran on.
Then the following statements wouldn't have been true. HP-UX and PA-RISC were successful during the days of proprietary UNIX and RISC implementations. HP made boatloads of money off that combination.
I'm hoping this guy's spin is correct. The better the competition, the better it gets for consumers. So lets hope HP sticks with the product and continues to improve it.
So many companies rush something to market with flaws, then wonders why it did so poorly and canceled the whole program.
Smart companies don't rush crap into production and don't bail at the first sign of weak performance. Once you commit, you need to follow through for at least a couple of product cycles before making the big decision.
So many companies rush something to market with flaws, then wonders why it did so poorly and canceled the whole program.
Smart companies don't rush crap into production and don't bail at the first sign of weak performance. Once you commit, you need to follow through for at least a couple of product cycles before making the big decision.