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I don't see consumers getting sick and tired of Android, iOS, and WP7 like they did with Windoze.
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Jon Rubinstein Compares Lukewarm TouchPad Reception to Original Mac OS X
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Good.
I don't see consumers getting sick and tired of Android, iOS, and WP7 like they did with Windoze.
Rubenstein, IMO, is doing the lip service before his golden parachute is fully packed and he is out of HP. He knows this is the swan song Palm device before webOS is folded into the HP borg cube.
The loss of market credit by dropping support for Garnet and killing a development community of the most fanatic mobile developers was never fully recovered. JavaScript on a mobile has yet to be proven a viable alternative to native code on a mobile device.
You had a good run John, stole some press from Steve but you never matched his rep but you did match is dress style. Please move on and learn from it. The executive hallways of HP are way out of your league.
Until finder chokes and dies because you have a remote fileshare with thousands of small files (source files, saved scratch disks, stuff like that). Ugh! Finder's been painful like that since 10.4, I'm really hoping leopard fixes it!
(still love OSX, but tough love man, tough love is important. Debian goes on my servers, cluster nodes, and VMs, windows on my gaming machines, and OSX on my workstations!)
The file permissions are the worst thing on OS X, they always get corrupt and make it a pain copying files off an old computer. Spent hours copying old files of a Mac because all the file permissions were corrupt. Not the first time ive seen this happen either.
Wasn't HP going to be licensing WebOS out and Samsung was reportedly going to use it on its platforms?
OS X changed Silicon Valey?
Rubinstein's comment, "It's hard to believe these statements described MacOS X - a platform that would go on to change the landscape of Silicon Valley in ways that no one could have imagined," is a bit farfetched. I think it was more the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors that was the real game changer. This eliminated the either-or dilemma for many people. You could have a Mac and a Windows PC in the same machine. OS X, which preceded this hardware change by several years, was adapted to this hardware change; it didn't create it.
It was this and a combination of other strokes of genius that changed Silicon Valley, including the iPod and iPhone. But to say that OS X changed the landscape is an exaggeration. On the other hand, we may look back one day and say that what really changed Silicon Valley was iOS.
Rubinstein's comment, "It's hard to believe these statements described MacOS X - a platform that would go on to change the landscape of Silicon Valley in ways that no one could have imagined," is a bit farfetched. I think it was more the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors that was the real game changer. This eliminated the either-or dilemma for many people. You could have a Mac and a Windows PC in the same machine. OS X, which preceded this hardware change by several years, was adapted to this hardware change; it didn't create it.
It was this and a combination of other strokes of genius that changed Silicon Valley, including the iPod and iPhone. But to say that OS X changed the landscape is an exaggeration. On the other hand, we may look back one day and say that what really changed Silicon Valley was iOS.
Yes, like perhaps fixing all their software problems, making actual drivers for all their printers. Maybe learning how to make 2 models that can use the same software!
(in reality, not just because you can see a "universal" driver on their website)
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Great comments in this post, and while the comparison isn't totally off-base, the thought that the mild similarities could possibly predict this current market are far from accurate, as many of you have pointed out. The one thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is how different apple (the mobile market leader) is approaching thus than Microsoft (the pc leader) approached the scene in the 90s. It took MS 3 years to update windows 95, and 98 was hardly any different. NT was a colossal waste of time, 2k wasn't bad, but hardly revolutionary, and millennium was probably the worst mass produced OS of all time. When XP finally came it wasn't vastly different than 2000, the last quality OS, and we all remember the ridiculous vista debacle. These were all major factors for apple's success.
Apple hardcore redesigned the iPad 1 year after it debuted and iOS 5 is showing itself to be quite a major revision just 1 year after each previous iOS iteration, each one substantially better than it's predesseor, but each variation has been stable and simple, thus not forcing users to really consider switching unless they're techies and just want some specific great feature android/w7/webos has.
Great comments in this post, and while the comparison isn't totally off-base, the thought that the mild similarities could possibly predict this current market are far from accurate, as many of you have pointed out. The one thing I'm surprised no one mentioned is how different apple (the mobile market leader) is approaching thus than Microsoft (the pc leader) approached the scene in the 90s. It took MS 3 years to update windows 95, and 98 was hardly any different. NT was a colossal waste of time, 2k wasn't bad, but hardly revolutionary, and millennium was probably the worst mass produced OS of all time. When XP finally came it wasn't vastly different than 2000, the last quality OS, and we all remember the ridiculous vista debacle. These were all major factors for apple's success.
Apple hardcore redesigned the iPad 1 year after it debuted and iOS 5 is showing itself to be quite a major revision just 1 year after each previous iOS iteration, each one substantially better than it's predesseor, but each variation has been stable and simple, thus not forcing users to really consider switching unless they're techies and just want some specific great feature android/w7/webos has.
The marathon is a good analogy. Although all the non-Apple tablets I've seen don't quite measure up, I think they will improve over time... and it will be very interesting to see where the tablet market is 2, 5, and 10 years from now...! And I do think that competition (i.e. strong competition) is VERY important for the ipad to reach it's full potential. And it is, slowly, getting there. IOS 5 will make the ipad much better. Not the the ipad is bad... in fact, it's great, but there are a few key problems with it that will need to be addressed... (like the thing that I always complain about: how it's essentially tethered to a single computer... something that I think will hold the ipad back in the long term... especially for people who do use multiple computers, like a desktop and laptop). But, evolution takes time! And competition!
Wow, the comments above are quite malicious. Although this guy led the development the now worshiped iPod, his observations are obviously worthless since he doesn't currently work at Apple.
Well, the analogy seems shaky. If the original webOS had been promising but slow on the first Pre, then yeah the analogy would be completely valid- brand new OS is really promising but still rough around the edges.
But webOS is not new, it's just running on a bigger screen (which involves development but is not the same as developing a new OS from scratch.) When the iPad first came out, basically all the reviews talked about how snappy it was. For HP to come out with a webOS tablet that is the opposite, months after the iPad 2 came out, is unfortunate.
Hopefully an update will come sooner than later that will improve its performance. I would like to see it achieve some success, although I've never owned a webOS device myself.
So, the "Me too" crowd are surprised that their product is not quite as eagerly received as the market leading standard?
Give me a break, it was obvious.
Give me a break, it was obvious.
The marathon vs. sprint thing is interesting.
It could in actuality just mean that Palm, HP, etc. haven't lost YET.
If you fall behind in a marathon, sure you have a chance. But what are you going to do DIFFERENTLY that will allow you to catch up? So we'll see.
I think the new Windows 7 Phone update seems promising, we'll see what HP can do. As an iPhone user I would prefer iOS to continue having the largest user base going forward, but wouldn't mind to see the others still succeed.
It could in actuality just mean that Palm, HP, etc. haven't lost YET.
If you fall behind in a marathon, sure you have a chance. But what are you going to do DIFFERENTLY that will allow you to catch up? So we'll see.
I think the new Windows 7 Phone update seems promising, we'll see what HP can do. As an iPhone user I would prefer iOS to continue having the largest user base going forward, but wouldn't mind to see the others still succeed.
The marathon is a good analogy. Although all the non-Apple tablets I've seen don't quite measure up, I think they will improve over time... and it will be very interesting to see where the tablet market is 2, 5, and 10 years from now...! And I do think that competition (i.e. strong competition) is VERY important for the ipad to reach it's full potential. And it is, slowly, getting there. IOS 5 will make the ipad much better. Not the the ipad is bad... in fact, it's great, but there are a few key problems with it that will need to be addressed... (like the thing that I always complain about: how it's essentially tethered to a single computer... something that I think will hold the ipad back in the long term... especially for people who do use multiple computers, like a desktop and laptop). But, evolution takes time! And competition!
Which makes it surprising that their tablet would be released seemingly half-baked.
A good update could easily change that, but sometimes initial perceptions are hard to change.
The marathon is a good analogy. Although all the non-Apple tablets I've seen don't quite measure up, I think they will improve over time... and it will be very interesting to see where the tablet market is 2, 5, and 10 years from now...! And I do think that competition (i.e. strong competition) is VERY important for the ipad to reach it's full potential. And it is, slowly, getting there. IOS 5 will make the ipad much better. Not the the ipad is bad... in fact, it's great, but there are a few key problems with it that will need to be addressed... (like the thing that I always complain about: how it's essentially tethered to a single computer... something that I think will hold the ipad back in the long term... especially for people who do use multiple computers, like a desktop and laptop). But, evolution takes time! And competition!
Isn't iOS 5 supposed to liberate iOS devices from the computer tether? Is that part of your point about how iOS 5 will make the iPad much better?
I definitely agree that liberating iPads and iPhones from the computer is a good thing. Let them be standalone devices if a person wants it to be.
And there we have it, I knew I was going to get the standard "he wasn't that important, Steve is the genius behind everything" fanboy rationalization as a response.
The dude was there. Maybe you should pay attention to him instead of deciding you know better than him.
And now... http://gizmodo.com/5820180/is-webos-hosed it's not his problem anymore.
At least he's not leaving HP altogether...
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At least he's not leaving HP altogether...
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Wow, the comments above are quite malicious. Although this guy led the development the now worshiped iPod, his observations are obviously worthless since he doesn't currently work at Apple.
That's the true Apple fanatics way of looking at things. Just like 7" tablets are stupid, but as soon as Apple releases one it will be a great idea.
When did consumers get sick and tired of Windows? I thought that Windows still had about 90% of the market.
It sure is cringeworthy when an exec goes Uncle Rico talking about what he did well back in '85 at a much more successful company.
HP's got a big problem here. Don't think Rubenstein isn't floating his resume around now. Bye WebOS!