It seems to me that he is taking some credit by himself.
Woyzeck post (#33) says it all
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Woyzeck post (#33) says it all
We pretty much now know Ive's products were collaborations between him and Steve - the results of two brilliant minds working together.
The question is if Ive is now surrounded by yes men and sycophants - people afraid to challenge him and say "no" like Steve did.
The question is if Ive is now surrounded by yes men and sycophants - people afraid to challenge him and say "no" like Steve did.
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There are many things on the MBP that are not perfect. For example you can still feel the buttons. Obviously that's not flat enough.
Furthermore the user can still replace the external power plug. I suggest to make the cord non-removable. If the ac adapter breaks people should bring their MBPs to the next Apple Store and have this fixed there. And heck, who needs those outdated USB ports ? Get rid of them as well, so that the case gets a much slicker look. Instead of that people really need a third Thunderbolt port. As there are no devices available for that those ugly cables won't ruin the looks.
And did I already mention that it's not requested by most users that they can adapt the angle of the display ? We should remove that useless choice and have only two options: closed and open. That would be really minimalistic and perfect.
I have a Leica M9, and Leica lenses. Though this design looks good, it totally misses what Leica is trying to do with the manual photography experience. The shutter speed dial looks like it will be hard to get to. So is the aperture ring on the lens. No focusing tab, so you cannot focus with on finger on the focusing tab.... Sorry, but Leica M's are about getting back to basics of photography, not making the camera so "clean", that it makes it harder to take a picture... Love apple, and love Leica. But hate this Ive designed M.
Sir Jon
" Ive said. "It's like finishing the back of a drawer. Nobody's going to see it, but you do it anyway."
Yup.
" Ive said. "It's like finishing the back of a drawer. Nobody's going to see it, but you do it anyway."
Yup.
Are you seriously asking what people get out of doing charity work?
- A positive sense of well-being from helping society
- Additional industrial design experience on a new device
- Keeping Ive happy
- Good PR
- Tax writeoff?
- New business ties with Leica
I was agreeing with you that the skeuomorphc design sucks majorly. But iOS7 is definitely not an improvement. So no, I didnt contradict myself.
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Steve Jobs's empire wasn't built on the 'Modern' design fad
That's right, the same Steve Jobs who took a dying company and made it into one of the most successful companies in history. He did it with colorful Macs, and bold designs and breakthrough products. Just because skeuomorphism as a fad has passed didn't make his decisions poor ones. They sold. That round hockey puck actually may have come from Jony Ive --- form over function, just like iOS 7.
Jobs didn't built Apple into the empire it is with bland unfinished designs that look like a Scooby Doo cartoon, with a design sensibility right out of the early 1970s. It's a new fad for those not old enough to remember it last time.
No one had to be TOLD they must like the products Jobs was selling. We are now being told we SHOULD like the look of these products or we are clueless, or dumb or old, or <insert ad hominem attack>. Good luck with that.
This is why Cook is no Steve Jobs, nor is Jony Ive. Jobs was a good showman but the products were really good too; you didn't have to have someone explain why you should like them---if you used them, you liked them.
That's right, the same Steve Jobs who took a dying company and made it into one of the most successful companies in history. He did it with colorful Macs, and bold designs and breakthrough products. Just because skeuomorphism as a fad has passed didn't make his decisions poor ones. They sold. That round hockey puck actually may have come from Jony Ive --- form over function, just like iOS 7.
Jobs didn't built Apple into the empire it is with bland unfinished designs that look like a Scooby Doo cartoon, with a design sensibility right out of the early 1970s. It's a new fad for those not old enough to remember it last time.
No one had to be TOLD they must like the products Jobs was selling. We are now being told we SHOULD like the look of these products or we are clueless, or dumb or old, or <insert ad hominem attack>. Good luck with that.
This is why Cook is no Steve Jobs, nor is Jony Ive. Jobs was a good showman but the products were really good too; you didn't have to have someone explain why you should like them---if you used them, you liked them.
Like many industrial designers, Ive is a big fan of Dieter Rams, a Functionalist. People have often noted how similar Apple products are to some of Rams' work.
This is also why it was easy to predict a plain, bright UI for iOS7, with basic geometric elements. The colors, however, are all Ive.
Mac Pro is prettier, in my opinion.
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If only he spent that much time working on the icons in iOS 7.
Michael Jordan playing baseball
Ives is a gifted INDUSTRIAL designer. He is great at designing boxes. He probably designed the round mouse too since that is what industrial designers do, though we can blame Jobs for that since it was on his watch and the dead can't do rebuttals.
But there are other kinds of designers, and being good at one doesn't make you good at another: Visual designers and Interaction Designers. Ives has shown he is NO interaction designer since iOS7 is less usable than iOS6 with the contrast and missing affordances. You can remove skeumorphism without removing affordances. And the ugly cartoony look of iOS7 shows he is also not a visual designer either. It is like he tossed a visual design textbook on Modern at the iPhone and totally missed the heart of the device.
No one had to be told the first iPhone, its icons and colors were beautiful. People are being TOLD that iOS7's Colecovision keyboard and buttonless buttons ARE better and if you don't agree, you are a retard. Selling products with arrogance is not sustainable unless there is substance behind it, and this Emperor's junk is waving in the wind.
If Ivy stopped now, he'd still be a legendary industrial designer. Actually, Jony, please---stop now. You are like Michael Jordan playing baseball. It's embarrassing.
Ives is a gifted INDUSTRIAL designer. He is great at designing boxes. He probably designed the round mouse too since that is what industrial designers do, though we can blame Jobs for that since it was on his watch and the dead can't do rebuttals.
But there are other kinds of designers, and being good at one doesn't make you good at another: Visual designers and Interaction Designers. Ives has shown he is NO interaction designer since iOS7 is less usable than iOS6 with the contrast and missing affordances. You can remove skeumorphism without removing affordances. And the ugly cartoony look of iOS7 shows he is also not a visual designer either. It is like he tossed a visual design textbook on Modern at the iPhone and totally missed the heart of the device.
No one had to be told the first iPhone, its icons and colors were beautiful. People are being TOLD that iOS7's Colecovision keyboard and buttonless buttons ARE better and if you don't agree, you are a retard. Selling products with arrogance is not sustainable unless there is substance behind it, and this Emperor's junk is waving in the wind.
If Ivy stopped now, he'd still be a legendary industrial designer. Actually, Jony, please---stop now. You are like Michael Jordan playing baseball. It's embarrassing.
You are correct. Ive has indeed left an indelible mark upon the history of product design. However, there is a indeterminate lifespan to all design themes and I sense an imminent & looming end for Apple's highly successful aluminum themes. It's time to move on.
No argument from me.
It was incredibly clear from all from the newbie mistakes (inconsistent icons / text combinations, poor readability, poor affordances) that he had zero UI/UX design experience and apparently didn't take any advice at first from those who do.
Hopefully that will change over time. I think it will.
I'm from the UK and I have to admit, he embarrasses the hell out of me now.
It's like he had become a joke/parody of himself.
Esp the Apple Launch adverts, they are sooooo terrible the way he speaks and reads the scripts to camera.
The perfection thing is great, but he can miss the obvious.
Like obsessing so much on making it thin you make the actual product worse for it's primary function in the 1st place.
It's like he had become a joke/parody of himself.
Esp the Apple Launch adverts, they are sooooo terrible the way he speaks and reads the scripts to camera.
The perfection thing is great, but he can miss the obvious.
Like obsessing so much on making it thin you make the actual product worse for it's primary function in the 1st place.
Apple / Ive deserve and get a lot of credit for the various hardware designs they have done over the years - they've released systems that look better on the inside than the outside - but in recent years they've lost some points with primarily anorexic / thin desktop designs designs, putting ports in the back ...
And what were they thinking when it comes to the UI makeover in iOS7?!
And what were they thinking when it comes to the UI makeover in iOS7?!
I've just checked your profile, as I've seen you from time to time.
You seen to post mostly negative comments about apple, and your first post I saw is a post talking about the effectiveness of samsung advertising.
I'm not accusing you of anything, but I wonder why you're joining an apple forum to post negativity.
You know this one off is build around the M240 not the M9. I agree that is form over function and it actually looks awful. The Leica M series hasnt changed design since the M2 and rightly so because the M3 was so well made and designed it nearly bankrupted Leica. Everytime they change something it got worse, I use the M3 with my M9P and people can't tell it apart.
While I love Jony's hardware designs and like iOS 7, he is starting to think a little too much of himself. Somewhat like Scott Forstall. 
I think he was able to focus more on the products when he was the man behind the curtain. Now he is acting like he IS Apple, which may be true, but it makes me think less of him.
I think he was able to focus more on the products when he was the man behind the curtain. Now he is acting like he IS Apple, which may be true, but it makes me think less of him.His designs are still good. But because the visual style shifted, a small group of people don't accept the change. Similarly, a lot of people weren't impressed with the iPhone.