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Lost many people, and keep their memory very close, but I do not talk about them on every occasion.

I mean, I am all for respecting a lost friend, but after 10 years he could skip mentioning him at every interview.
That is your opinion. Luckily we are all different. If it bothers you I would advise to avoid his future interviews!
 
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"I can't think of anything more personal, more specific, more individual, and more intimate than things being inside us."

Exactly this. No one should have a say but me.
 
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More precisely 2008 first unibody MBP
How so? The rounded corners, softer edges on the bottom of the casing and top of the display, and lack of bottom bulge of the new models are a lot more reminiscent of the pre-unibody PowerBook G4s’ and MacBook Pros’ design language.

Aluminum PowerBook G4/MacBook Pro (2003-2007):
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MacBook Pro 2008:
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MacBook Pro 2021:
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Lost many people, and keep their memory very close, but I do not talk about them on every occasion.

I mean, I am all for respecting a lost friend, but after 10 years he could skip mentioning him at every interview.
It’s not like he brings it up voluntarily. In this and many other interviews with Ive, Steve Jobs is brought up by the interviewer in a question, making it very hard for him not to talk about it.
 
I think you really should take a look at 2008 first unibody MBP, you’ll be surprised.
Oh I’m not surprised. I was a Mac genius from 07-14. I can disassemble that model in my sleep, right down to the annoying mic cable being underneath the logic board.

This was Jobs heavily editing Ive. He was still very much alive then. Was not Jony acting alone. It’s a chonker due to the technology of the time. Still, the MD101LL/A form factor was a classic. It ran 8 years, with the Mid 2012 not discontinued until 2016.

To really understand Jony’s compulsion for thinnest devices possible without Steve Jobs around, you have to look much later than 2011, at products like the trash can Mac Pro, 12” MacBook, and touchbar models. Those questionable Mac products with heavy trade offs, and an emphasis on design over utility… are the Jony we get without an editor.

When folks say the 14 and 16” M1 MBPs look like the 2003-2008 era of MacBooks and PowerBooks, that’s because Jobs had final say on those with Jony as much less than “god”. Those chonky Macs were not Jony’s vision unedited. We got a taste of that from 2012-2020… these Macs are a referendum on that.
 
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"There's no doubt... that some of these products will disappear beneath our skin," he said. "I can't think of anything more personal, more specific, more individual, and more intimate than things being inside us."

Do people actually want this? Yikes. Who is going to let Google/Apple/Elon/Zuckerberg/whoever put their devices inside their bodies? A lot of people, I guess? Not me, for sure.
 
I've said it before, will say it again, he should have worked with BMW to RE-design the front-end of BMW's new cars !

There, he could have made a HUGE impact !
 
What a complete blowhard. If he thinks people are going to willingly embed **** in their bodies he's ****ing insane
Agreed. Why tattoo the undesirables when you can microchip them like the family dog?

I am a neuroscientist. I note with growing alarm how experimental procedures implanting electrodes are being pursued and find the people who are implanting microchips to have bragging rights of being a cyborg unhinged. I have similar misgivings about the future use of AI. Our generation are the probably the last who will be able to control how these technologies are used. We have to think this through or we're going to be in for quite a rude shock a few decades down the road.
 
Agreed. Why tattoo the undesirables when you can microchip them like the family dog?

I am a neuroscientist. I note with growing alarm how experimental procedures implanting electrodes are being pursued and find the people who are implanting microchips to have bragging rights of being a cyborg unhinged. I have similar misgivings about the future use of AI. Our generation are the probably the last who will be able to control how these technologies are used. We have to think this through or we're going to be in for quite a rude shock a few decades down the road.

Given humanity's tendencies, I don't think there's any way we'll change UNLESS there's a rude shock. But, given the particular challenges we face with AI, it'll probably be too late. Which, really, is fine. We're not more or less special than the dinosaurs who went extinct millions of years ago. The planet will move on with or without us. (And so will our robot overlords...)
 
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So my comment about Jony got deleted by some moderator for being "off topic." First, it wasn't off topic. Second, please go ahead and delete my account. I have no need to be censored by some fragile snowflake.
 
"I can't think of anything more personal, more specific, more individual, and more intimate than things being inside us."

I can't think of anything more intrusive, more creepy, more big brother, more loss of privacy and person than things being inside us.

But at least it'll be thin and light.

In the near future I can schedule back-to-back microchipping appointments for my dog and myself. Good times.
 
It was going in the right direction, it was just too premature. I think no one doubts the future is portless, but you cannot do that yet. And both on the outside and the inside (some say that Ive is only about form, which if you’ve followed Apple for a while you know is not true) they’re essentially the same MBPs as always.

Steve Jobs also had those kind of mistakes, for example with the Mac Cube. Some years later, he introduced the Mac Mini, which wasn’t as expensive and expandable.
Are you speaking ill of The Cube?
It was a great computer and awesome design!
I'll give you that it's problem was expense - bang for the buck. Apple users in those days were more strongly tied to computing performance (to be honest, the entire computer market was, this was before computing had turned into internet consumption and computers generally had become "fast enough"), relatively less value was placed on being the cool new shiny.

If Apple had brought back the Cube today - strong innards, compact good looks but still expandable, why they could call it the Mac Pro Mini and it would sell like hot cakes.
 
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The single most important employee at Apple during it's renaissance is being ridiculed by Apple fanboys (or sweaty smelling geeks living in their mothers basement)? Never the less: shame on you!
 
When you work at Apple you are in the fountain of Youth and the time stop until you quite the nest!
 
Cute but you know darn well that's not how it happened. As usual, Apple's obstinence and obtuseness (read: arrogance) stubbornly held on to a failed and laughably stupid idea for years in the touchbar & butterfly keyboard until they could no longer justify it with a straight face after the true pros abandoned Apple in droves
As someone that has work on hardware products launched by one FAANG companies, 3 years to go from an idea to launch of a new product is pretty normal. Apple release the retina Macs in late 2016, 1 or 2 iterations to learn that it isn't working. Start working on something new and it launched basically this month. Seems you just don't really understand what goes in to building a hardware product that sells in the millions...
 
How so? The rounded corners, softer edges on the bottom of the casing and top of the display, and lack of bottom bulge of the new models are a lot more reminiscent of the pre-unibody PowerBook G4s’ and MacBook Pros’ design language.

Aluminum PowerBook G4/MacBook Pro (2003-2007):
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MacBook Pro 2008:
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MacBook Pro 2021:
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I guess you’re right ? excluding the unibody chassis built (a reason alone for me to buy MBP). Strangely I dismissed the sharp edge on the sides of the 2008 MBP which are much less perceived in real world, compared to my current 2018 MBP, much more tapered in bottom and screen edges, giving it a lighter and thinner “tricked” perceived appearance. My bad. I like best in new design is non tampered and almost 90º sharp edge of the screen lid that give the flat look. Just wish they made all keyboard set same color as chassis.
 
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Oh I’m not surprised. I was a Mac genius from 07-14. I can disassemble that model in my sleep, right down to the annoying mic cable being underneath the logic board.

This was Jobs heavily editing Ive. He was still very much alive then. Was not Jony acting alone. It’s a chonker due to the technology of the time. Still, the MD101LL/A form factor was a classic. It ran 8 years, with the Mid 2012 not discontinued until 2016.

To really understand Jony’s compulsion for thinnest devices possible without Steve Jobs around, you have to look much later than 2011, at products like the trash can Mac Pro, 12” MacBook, and touchbar models. Those questionable Mac products with heavy trade offs, and an emphasis on design over utility… are the Jony we get without an editor.

When folks say the 14 and 16” M1 MBPs look like the 2003-2008 era of MacBooks and PowerBooks, that’s because Jobs had final say on those with Jony as much less than “god”. Those chonky Macs were not Jony’s vision unedited. We got a taste of that from 2012-2020… these Macs are a referendum on that.
Although I sympathise with your argument I must confess I feel Jobs had a very acute design sensibility, which is deeply embedded in Apple DNA and IMHO sets it miles apart from any competition. Beauty enhances our daily lives…also unconventional designs make the need for unconventional tech, so things get pushed forward, and now we have (non throttling) desktop chips in laptops.
BTW, I love the trashcan and I really hope this time we can get a cube comeback, with aluminum casing and mighty performance guts.
 
Are you speaking ill of The Cube?
It was a great computer and awesome design!
I'll give you that it's problem was expense - bang for the buck. Apple users in those days were more strongly tied to computing performance (to be honest, the entire computer market was, this was before computing had turned into internet consumption and computers generally had become "fast enough"), relatively less value was placed on being the cool new shiny.

If Apple had brought back the Cube today - strong innards, compact good looks but still expandable, why they could call it the Mac Pro Mini and it would sell like hot cakes.
?The CUBE will come back as an incarnation of “Mac mini Pro”. Just don’t expect expansion though.
 
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Cute but you know darn well that's not how it happened. As usual, Apple's obstinence and obtuseness (read: arrogance) stubbornly held on to a failed and laughably stupid idea for years in the touchbar & butterfly keyboard until they could no longer justify it with a straight face after the true pros abandoned Apple in droves
You really think “true pros” abandoned Apple cause of Touchbar? I strongly believe it’s far more related to other issues namely poor MacOS native software options…BTW problem of touchbar was suppression of physical FN keys (important for pro Typist) and Apple marketing it as an emoji interface and not providing assistance/promote its adoption by developers. In the end cutting it’s cost was appealing…
 
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