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You still under the misguided impression that Apple products have to be equivalent to other companies products for them to put them out of business? You're wrong. Apple's products are better. Apple makes nothing like what Nintendo or Sony do, yet they have those two seriously hurting. Now if you think high-end watch makers are safe because they're in the fashion industry and Apple isn't, well, you might be surprised to know there's some cross over...

No reason to argue in such an aggressive way my friend. Please inform me where my misguided impression comes from. I have contributed numerous posts analysing the watch industry, yet I don't see any of the sort from you. Give me some well reasoned argumentation where I'm wrong, supported by facts please.

You, like many here, neglect to properly analyse the different customer segments and producers. Apple targets exactly the same customer segments as Sony and Nintendo do: music consumers and casual gamers respectively; of course they impact each other.

Now if you look at the watch industry, the target segments are completely different. An iWatch would target the low to low-mid segment of watches in a range from likely 200 to 600 dollars. That would include Casio, Seiko, Tissot, Fossil, some Tag Heuer models, Longines etc. While the luxury watch segment STARTS at 4000 dollars and above.

It is extremely unlikely that Apple will target the segment above 4000 dollars. The reason is that there is no real value proposition for a luxury electronic device at that price point in the volumes that Apple typically searches for its products (think product lifecycle).

So, while an iWatch will certainly impact the watch industry, it is very unlikely that it will seriously alter sales volumes of luxury brands such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, Panerai, Audemars Piaget, Hublot etc. etc.

In what way are Apple products better than those from any of these luxury brands? If you argue that an Apple iWatch would have more functions and would tell time more accurately than you would probably be right, but at the same time you would not understand by a long shot why people buy luxury watches.

I'm very prepared to concede that I'm wrong, but please come with some better argumentation.

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Hey Jony… don't forget to remove your Breitling when you're on camera...
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That's not a Breitling, but some cheapo watch.
 
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It is rumored that the iwatch will cost around $400.. call me old fashion but I rather have a Victorinox watch. I just don't see most people wearing the same gadget looking like a startrek fan. A watch is supposed to be personal and perhaps fashionable.. I thinks Switzerland has nothing to worry about lol
 
No reason to argue in such an aggressive way my friend. Please inform me where my misguided impression comes from. I have contributed numerous posts analysing the watch industry, yet I don't see any of the sort from you. Give me some well reasoned argumentation where I'm wrong, supported by facts please.

You, like many here, neglect to properly analyse the different customer segments and producers. Apple targets exactly the same customer segments as Sony and Nintendo do: music consumers and casual gamers respectively; of course they impact each other.

Now if you look at the watch industry, the target segments are completely different. An iWatch would target the low to low-mid segment of watches in a range from likely 200 to 600 dollars. That would include Casio, Seiko, Tissot, Fossil, some Tag Heuer models, Longines etc. While the luxury watch segment STARTS at 4000 dollars and above.

It is extremely unlikely that Apple will target the segment above 4000 dollars. The reason is that there is no real value proposition for a luxury electronic device at that price point in the volumes that Apple typically searches for its products (think product lifecycle).

So, while an iWatch will certainly impact the watch industry, it is very unlikely that it will seriously alter sales volumes of luxury brands such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, Panerai, Audemars Piaget, Hublot etc. etc.

In what way are Apple products better than those from any of these luxury brands? If you argue that an Apple iWatch would have more functions and would tell time more accurately than you would probably be right, but at the same time you would not understand by a long shot why people buy luxury watches.

I'm very prepared to concede that I'm wrong, but please come with some better argumentation.

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That's not a Breitling, but some cheapo watch.

Well i dont know about cheap but Breitling will look ancient after the unveiling of apple device. Calling it Now.
 
Whats funny is these iWatch fans scoffed at the idea of a smartwatch before Apple entered the fray... Now they think it's going to dethrone Rolex. Stupid.
 
Just like 'Polaroid' and 'Kodak'

One one hand, you can say this is Apple being boisterous; backslapping itself. But ask Polaroid and Kodak whether they felt 'troubled' when digital cameras came along.
 
Well i dont know about cheap but Breitling will look ancient after the unveiling of apple device. Calling it Now.

I know, right? Like these stupid people who buy art instead of taking a photo of some fruits when it's much more clear and you can upload it.

Let them talk trash, you know you're the boss and I know it too because you sound stylish and educated.
 
Shens. Ive isn't going to talk about a product Apple has yet to announce. Click bait.
 
In what way are Apple products better than those from any of these luxury brands? If you argue that an Apple iWatch would have more functions and would tell time more accurately than you would probably be right, but at the same time you would not understand by a long shot why people buy luxury watches.

I'm very prepared to concede that I'm wrong, but please come with some better argumentation.

I'll take the bait and wade in here. Perhaps what might happen is that the whole watch-industry landscape will change- luxury included, because of the tie-in with the commerce, health, home, car, etc -STUFF. I could see a scenario where the businessman who usually wears a rolex will be forced to choose between his "jewelry watch" and one that his life insurance policy demands he wears; his banking friends would like him to wear, etc.

...just thinking..
-iamthinking
 
I'll take the bait and wade in here. Perhaps what might happen is that the whole watch-industry landscape will change- luxury included, because of the tie-in with the commerce, health, home, car, etc -STUFF. I could see a scenario where the businessman who usually wears a rolex will be forced to choose between his "jewelry watch" and one that his life insurance policy demands he wears; his banking friends would like him to wear, etc.

...just thinking..
-iamthinking

A few years ago, Road & Track or Car & Drive, one of those car rags, pitted a Chrysler Minivan against a Ferrari 328 GTI (Magnum PI) and it wiped the floor. The Minivan out slalom, did a better 0-60, outhandled the Ferrari and did a better 1/4 mile. The same comparison was made with a new hybrid Toyota Camry which will outsmoke a 328 Ferrari at the drag strip.

Guess what. All those better, newer, more functional cars did no impact on Ferrari sales.

There is something intangible that can't be compared to health sensors or alert notifications.
 
A few years ago, Road & Track or Car & Drive, one of those car rags, pitted a Chrysler Minivan against a Ferrari 328 GTI (Magnum PI) and it wiped the floor. The Minivan out slalom, did a better 0-60, outhandled the Ferrari and did a better 1/4 mile. The same comparison was made with a new hybrid Toyota Camry which will outsmoke a 328 Ferrari at the drag strip.

Guess what. All those better, newer, more functional cars did no impact on Ferrari sales.

There is something intangible that can't be compared to health sensors or alert notifications.

The thing about luxury is that you can't play comparing when you're in it.

I'll explain it. If you have to advertise your product like "it's better because it has sensors and... and yours not" then it's not luxury. Luxury is about taste, about intangibles, not about specs. It's the best because you like it and it's likeable, PERIOD, it does not have logical reasons.

That's why a Nissan GTR can't keep up with a Ferrari F40 and all those examples you all can imagine
 
I know, right? Like these stupid people who buy art instead of taking a photo of some fruits when it's much more clear and you can upload it.

Let them talk trash, you know you're the boss and I know it too because you sound stylish and educated.


Who says this device is only going to be used for the tasks you talk about. These is no way to predict how the market is going to react (Steve Ballmer Reactions about Iphone) But I have to Complement You. You Sound and Think like a Complete Brilliant Person.

No Wonder Tim, Ive and the Gang are going to be proved wrong. Your prediction is Mystical.
 
Who says this device is only going to be used for the tasks you talk about. These is no way to predict how the market is going to react (Steve Ballmer Reactions about Iphone) But I have to Complement You. You Sound and Think like a Complete Brilliant Person.

No Wonder Tim, Ive and the Gang are going to be proved wrong. Your prediction is Mystical.

I don't have to be wrong for them being right. In fact, all this "switzerland is in trouble" thing is pure vapor since nobody has said it.

They can sell loads of iwatches (hundreds of millions) while Rolex keeps selling loads of watches like now (1 million per year), there are enough and different costumers.
 
No reason to argue in such an aggressive way my friend. Please inform me where my misguided impression comes from. I have contributed numerous posts analysing the watch industry, yet I don't see any of the sort from you. Give me some well reasoned argumentation where I'm wrong, supported by facts please.

You, like many here, neglect to properly analyse the different customer segments and producers. Apple targets exactly the same customer segments as Sony and Nintendo do: music consumers and casual gamers respectively; of course they impact each other.

Now if you look at the watch industry, the target segments are completely different. An iWatch would target the low to low-mid segment of watches in a range from likely 200 to 600 dollars. That would include Casio, Seiko, Tissot, Fossil, some Tag Heuer models, Longines etc. While the luxury watch segment STARTS at 4000 dollars and above.

It is extremely unlikely that Apple will target the segment above 4000 dollars. The reason is that there is no real value proposition for a luxury electronic device at that price point in the volumes that Apple typically searches for its products (think product lifecycle).

So, while an iWatch will certainly impact the watch industry, it is very unlikely that it will seriously alter sales volumes of luxury brands such as Rolex, Patek Philippe, Breitling, Panerai, Audemars Piaget, Hublot etc. etc.

In what way are Apple products better than those from any of these luxury brands? If you argue that an Apple iWatch would have more functions and would tell time more accurately than you would probably be right, but at the same time you would not understand by a long shot why people buy luxury watches.

I'm very prepared to concede that I'm wrong, but please come with some better argumentation.

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That's not a Breitling, but some cheapo watch.
I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing with ignorance. You have no idea how much the iWatch will cost or who the intended market is. As for throwing up artificial distinctions between 'jewelry' and the low-end market, BB fans insisted their 'work' device was completely different from Apple's toys. Turns out artificial distinctions are irrelevant in the real world.
 
Had the same thought recently...

Anecdotally, I, for one, will be putting my Submariner in a drawer if the iWatch delivers what I think Apple is capable of.
 
I know, right? Like these stupid people who buy art instead of taking a photo of some fruits when it's much more clear and you can upload it.

Let them talk trash, you know you're the boss and I know it too because you sound stylish and educated.

lol really!??
 
While the luxury watch segment STARTS at 4000 dollars and above.

So what percentage of the Swiss watch business is product above $4k or $15k? Can that percentage at just the high-end support the Swiss economy as well? Or does the watch business depend on some economy of scale and retail channel volume for its profit levels?

Note the consolidation in the Swiss watch industry that was required to keep some of the luxury brands alive. Just what happened to the small independent luxury makers?
 
Somebody may have observed that Switzerland is *******, but that is highly unlikely to have been Ive. After all, as a senior vp that could have been involved in decisions to hire senior watch/fashion/dev guys from major Swiss watch companies, he is hardly likely to infuriate them with puerile inappropriate comments like that. It's unlikely to have any major effect on quality Swiss watches anyway as people who would purchase an iD(evice) for the wrist would not have had a Swiss watch anyway, unless it is truly spectacular, in which case Jonny might think it and others might say it.
 
I'm not going to spend anymore time arguing with ignorance. You have no idea how much the iWatch will cost or who the intended market is. As for throwing up artificial distinctions between 'jewelry' and the low-end market, BB fans insisted their 'work' device was completely different from Apple's toys. Turns out artificial distinctions are irrelevant in the real world.

How is careful analysis of the market ignorance? And while I agree that we still don't know how much the iWatch will cost, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to judge in what segment it will be introduced if at all.

The distinction I make is not artificial but well and generally recognized.

Again you come up with an absolutely not fitting comparison. The blackberry is a product that is essentially the same category, price and functionality as the competitors that pushed it out of the market. Surely you are not seriously arguing that a Casio, Tissot or Seiko are the same as a Panerai, Rolex or Patek and that the customer segments are the same?

It seems to me that the absence of willingness to discuss this, stems from the fact that you lack some fundamental skills in market analysis and business strategy and knowledge of this market. Why don't you prove me wrong by providing a better analysis? Like I said I have no problem conceding that I'm wrong, when faced with better arguments.
 
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