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Jony Ive Pushing for 'Flat Design' in iOS 7 Amid Greater Hardware-Software Design Collaboration
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I agree.Ok time passes and some redesign is needed but what really lacks its not totally on removing skeuomorphism (i like the old podcast)or within old layout .
I would like to see a different way of interact with files ,a simple drag and drop between 2 or 3 apps,sliced on the screen vertically to make my finger pass the file over and drop...,maybe some kind of new design for the icon as well as the wey to be showed on the home screen even better if Apple lets me apply the theme i want (could be even a market for them) but i hope not to see a total redesign..maybe just a flatted one.
I see Apple opening a little,for example with Audiobus SDK and with 128 GB in the "Ipad Pro"..so i'm very curious to see what's next WWDC with IOS7.
I think we will see improvements for filesystem management and UI..someone will be disappointed and someone not..as usual ,meanwhile i hope Apple flats the prices a little.
Yeah, you're right, iMacs, iPods, iPhone, iP3G,4S, iPhone 5... Such disasters...
How about ipads, form ove function, right? Oh wait..
Macbook air.... Oh so big disaster, that every other company tries to copy.
I saw only 2 issues: mice and iphone 4 antennagate, but other then that is great.
And I will fix one more thing for you. General public doesnt give a ***** about Pros leaving Apple. Deal with it.
Meanwhile you can switch to WP8, where you experience things like random reboots or surfing over cellular data while connected on your Wifi.
General public dont really give a damm about apple mate, before you say something yeap a bigger world outside the states...
You seriously talking bad about wp8 stability ?
seems to you have never even hold one; funny that last one had to be fixed on iphone 5 (using cellular data while connected on wifi)
Yes, I have same oppinion on that one.
And the funny part is, I`ve never been in the States.
You make some valid points. I currently have an early-2011 MacBook Pro and I plan to hang on to it until it dies -- hopefully many years from now. I don't use the Ethernet port or the SuperDrive more than three or four times a year usually; but when I have used them, I was so glad they were on board and didn't require additional adapters for use. Also, I've heard mostly negative remarks about the Retina display MacBook Pros -- either display ghosting or the GPU struggling to drive all the pixels.
I'm not a fan of sacrificing features for thinness. I hope Apple takes the lead on directing the industry back to emphasizing function and still making the form beautiful. Beautiful does not always mean thin in my book.
The main reason I hate using google and microsoft is because of their design. I hope this doesn't happen.
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As a rMBP user. I have no issues with either of those. People that complain about that stuff are people that can't afford it and want to justify their older purchase. I have never used a CD drive since 2009... ever. The only negative remark I have about my rMBP is that now every other computer on the market seems slow and looks like crap
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I think the general consensus of this forum is that no-one really understands how much Jony Ive has affected the design of everything at Apple. Apple didn't die when Jobs died, it will die when Ive dies.
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As a rMBP user. I have no issues with either of those. People that complain about that stuff are people that can't afford it and want to justify their older purchase. I have never used a CD drive since 2009... ever. The only negative remark I have about my rMBP is that now every other computer on the market seems slow and looks like crap
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I think the general consensus of this forum is that no-one really understands how much Jony Ive has affected the design of everything at Apple. Apple didn't die when Jobs died, it will die when Ive dies.
I have great respect for Google's clean minimal design practices. It's one reason I utilize Googles services.
Most haters (why hate anything?) love to accuse Google of invasion of privacy. The fallacy of that erroneous claim is that insurance companies & big data collectors already have everyone's data.
They do a far more comprehensive job than Google, Microsoft, Apple & any other large scale tech corp. like Oracle. Thus whenever I see someone bashing Google as evil, I laugh at how naive they are.
As far as J. Ive, I wouldn't be so quick to underestimate MacRumors members. We know he's a world class designer. His signature style on Apple products is a well known fact.
Not MS flat, that's for sure
By "flat" I don't think they mean the boring bitmaps that Microsoft use in Windoze 8. I think Ive is thinking VECTORS.
Apple is already using vectors in iOS Maps.
Vectors have been around for so long, I find it strange why they were never introduced into today's OS's.
The problem with todays OS's is that they need to cater for a wide variety of screens -- large and small. So developers typically build 'hi-res' and 'low-res' versions of their bitmap icons and other UI elements.
With vectors you don't have that problem.
Vectors are scalable shapes, not pixels. They are mathematically-formulated shapes that draw the pixels on the screen -- at any resolution i.e.: ANY size. It can scale up without losing clarity and scale down just as easily. No need for hi-res and low-res images when using vectors. Just one file is needed.
Vectors are also small in filesize. No matter if they are large billboard graphics or stamp-sized -- they are the same in filesize.
Because of the small filesize, vectors can render faster too.
I think Apple has finally got their sh•t together and are moving to using vectors in OS X (and iOS) -- it's about time, though still more than a decade late.
Think about it -- it just makes a world of sense to go with vectors. Most app icons, logos etc. these days are created with vectors (and exported to bitmap) -- they are created with vectors because it's easy to export them as bitmaps at any size or resolution.
It also makes sense to make everything vector because they won't need to worry about upscaling UI elements for whatever size or ratio screen the OS has to deal with. Vectors will scale to any size or shape.
Using vectors will also make designers/developers 'smarter'. If Apple forces them to, developers and designers will need to pick up Adobe Illustrator or some other vector editing app for graphics. It's shocking to me how many designers out there have not discovered vectors.
Heck, I'm shocked that Windoze 8's "tiles" are not vector. You can zoom in and out -- only to have an ugly unsorted mess of icons. With vector images (and Retina displays) you will be able to see all those details if your eyes are still good.
Flat? Ironic, because that's a term they use with vectors when printing (to a raster printer) ; )
By "flat" I don't think they mean the boring bitmaps that Microsoft use in Windoze 8. I think Ive is thinking VECTORS.
Apple is already using vectors in iOS Maps.
Vectors have been around for so long, I find it strange why they were never introduced into today's OS's.
The problem with todays OS's is that they need to cater for a wide variety of screens -- large and small. So developers typically build 'hi-res' and 'low-res' versions of their bitmap icons and other UI elements.
With vectors you don't have that problem.
Vectors are scalable shapes, not pixels. They are mathematically-formulated shapes that draw the pixels on the screen -- at any resolution i.e.: ANY size. It can scale up without losing clarity and scale down just as easily. No need for hi-res and low-res images when using vectors. Just one file is needed.
Vectors are also small in filesize. No matter if they are large billboard graphics or stamp-sized -- they are the same in filesize.
Because of the small filesize, vectors can render faster too.
I think Apple has finally got their sh•t together and are moving to using vectors in OS X (and iOS) -- it's about time, though still more than a decade late.
Think about it -- it just makes a world of sense to go with vectors. Most app icons, logos etc. these days are created with vectors (and exported to bitmap) -- they are created with vectors because it's easy to export them as bitmaps at any size or resolution.
It also makes sense to make everything vector because they won't need to worry about upscaling UI elements for whatever size or ratio screen the OS has to deal with. Vectors will scale to any size or shape.
Using vectors will also make designers/developers 'smarter'. If Apple forces them to, developers and designers will need to pick up Adobe Illustrator or some other vector editing app for graphics. It's shocking to me how many designers out there have not discovered vectors.
Heck, I'm shocked that Windoze 8's "tiles" are not vector. You can zoom in and out -- only to have an ugly unsorted mess of icons. With vector images (and Retina displays) you will be able to see all those details if your eyes are still good.
Flat? Ironic, because that's a term they use with vectors when printing (to a raster printer) ; )
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Vectors have been in Windows since Vista. All the default MS icons are vectors. In fact, I think all the tiles and UI elements are vector based in WinRT, since it's all resolution independent. The Start screen arranges itself according to screen size, but the apps themselves scale smoothly from small to large without any aliasing.
Maybe leave the design to Apple. They seem to be doing alright so far. Next you'll be expecting a eye-sensor on there, just like in the new Android phone, which is just gimmicky rubbish.
I think because Apple product are used by designers and creatives, everyone seems to have an opinion on where these products should be going. My Macbook pro is sound and my iPhone 5 works perfectly. I think phones are generally pretty boring, but at least I know my iPhone 5 will last me a good few years. Reliability mixed with solid design and technology wins in the end.
Provided it does what it's supposed to do and does it well, how is it gimmicky rubbish?
You know what else sounds like gimmicky rubbish when you first hear about it? Bouncy screens. You know, scrolling to the bottom of a page on a touchscreen device, and having it scroll up and snap back instead of stopping dead when you get to the end. That sounds dumb as hell, but it works great.
Whoa, looks much better than the current one! Beautiful, really!
I too wish it would look something like that. Is it a design currently in use on any platform, or did you make it yourself?
Whoa, looks much better than the current one! Beautiful, really!
It's a theme for Android(miui rom)
It's a theme for Android(miui rom)
Wow, that's actually pretty...
...wait. Android?
IT SUCKS!
It's a theme for Android(miui rom)
Well, I love it anyway. I wish Apple would come up with something like that.
I'm hoping iMovie is on the list
Would love to see Mr Ive get his hands on iMovie and give it a good shake up.
It's GUI and usability has been going down hill since iMovie HD.
Macs boast ease of use but this is one program that goes against that.
Final Cut Pro is easier to use.
Would love to see Mr Ive get his hands on iMovie and give it a good shake up.
It's GUI and usability has been going down hill since iMovie HD.
Macs boast ease of use but this is one program that goes against that.
Final Cut Pro is easier to use.
While Jony Ive's designs look great, the leave a lot to be desired in the usability stakes. Apple's keyboards and mice are just plain awful. Hopefully he won't sacrifice usability on the altar of minimalism when it comes to the GUI, but if he had anything to do with that unusable piece of junk that is iTunes 9, I think we are all going to be disappointed.
I don't think Google is evil or anything like that. I think they do things well! (they wouldn't be where they are if not). I'm just saying that I'm not aesthetically drawn to their style as much as the Apple style. It's almost too plain. I'm excited to see what the big-wigs come up with, though.
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Too cartoonish. But it's onto something.
Why not try innovating now?
Rather then matching Microsoft's and Google's flattening of UI why not come out with something innovative.
Yes I agree glassy establishments are outdated, but hell Apple caused the trend to glassify everything.
I think Apple has lost its cool if it going to start following design trends initiated by Microsoft of all companies.
If all iOS7 is going to offer is flat icons with rounded corners, its game over for Apple.
Rather then matching Microsoft's and Google's flattening of UI why not come out with something innovative.
Yes I agree glassy establishments are outdated, but hell Apple caused the trend to glassify everything.
I think Apple has lost its cool if it going to start following design trends initiated by Microsoft of all companies.
If all iOS7 is going to offer is flat icons with rounded corners, its game over for Apple.