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Jony Ive Remains 'Eager to Create' and 'Completely in Awe' About Creative Process
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So Lenovo ThinkPads? They're not the prettiest things but they're tough, upgradable, have lots of ports, and do just about anything.
I'm not asking Apple to build an ugly tank, but maybe keep these streamlined MacBook Pros as just "MacBooks" and then offer the MacBook Pros of similar design with more port selections and upgradable RAM and SSDs. Power users would happily sacrifice some thinnest for the ability to upgrade their devices a few years down the road.
I’ve loved his design work. I mean no disrespect when I say that the people pushing chip technology deserve knighthood before the guy who made phones and computers look pretty.
"Bought some Apple stock... from here on out everything I post is from the point of view of a shareholder."
Considering you only care about how Apple stock is doing and not about the actual company or it's products, why should anyone on a thread about design give a flying f what you think?
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Stop acting like drawing concentric circles is akin to painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling: it ain't. You want to praise someone? Praise the engineers, they are the ones that have to take Ives designs and make sure that they can actually be built at scale.
And I say this as a person who is currently working on a project and has AutoCAD, Illustrator, and Photoshop being used almost daily.
Even us lowly shareholders want Apple to produce things to sell that make people happy.That is the whole point of it. This thread is a good percentage of ignorant, petty, ad hominem attacks on Jony Ive. Like he is somebody evil who needs to be dragged through the coals. That's why I care.
Also as a shareholder i would rather continue to have Sir Jony Ive as chief of design over you as a customer.
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Five years and counting since a Mac Pro refresh. Its glaring irrelevance COMPLETELY caught these stooges by surprise over a year ago, all while pro users had been screaming for years.
Now, delivered from an esteemed cambridge "Pulpit", styled in a weird "Curly Howard-esce" Impersonation? One could assume due to the striking resemblance to that famous stooge, we hear:
"Now, the problem is: which Wednesday?"
Do I believe it's an attempt for a second act in stand up comedy? Sure looks like it, but no, I probably don't - sigh.
Ive is an arrogant prig. The Bear is eating APPL. Payback's a Witch, with a capital 'B'.
[doublepost=1542784998][/doublepost]This just in: A spy photo of Ive hard at work in his Design Studio:
Now, delivered from an esteemed cambridge "Pulpit", styled in a weird "Curly Howard-esce" Impersonation? One could assume due to the striking resemblance to that famous stooge, we hear:
"Now, the problem is: which Wednesday?"
Do I believe it's an attempt for a second act in stand up comedy? Sure looks like it, but no, I probably don't - sigh.
Ive is an arrogant prig. The Bear is eating APPL. Payback's a Witch, with a capital 'B'.
[doublepost=1542784998][/doublepost]This just in: A spy photo of Ive hard at work in his Design Studio:
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For some it’s a jobb and career - something you’ve chosen to persue in life. For others it’s something that they don’t respect and think could be done by anybody; themself included.
I say this from experience as an industrial designer (junior, senior and currently manager level); there is far to many that don’t understand and respect the energy and skill behind the process and don’t hesitate to criticize the work and tell you how it should be done.
I’ve seen it at all my workplaces and constantly on MacRumors. The only solution that I’ve found is to let people follow along developments and let them create solutions and take crucial decisions - it’s a humbling experience for all-knowers, but a time consuming part for the designer.
I don't think Ive becoming lazy or unimaginative or full of himself is what led to stagnation in Apple design. It would have been the easiest of tasks to make modest changes to the iPhone SE case or reduce bezels on an iMac or have had more or earlier changes to the iPhone 6 - 8 design. He probably was very involved in Apple campus, store design and other things;
but I'd bet the reason the iPhone SE stayed in the very same iPhone 5 case and other products didn't develop is because bean counter and operations guy Tim Cook said "No Jony. We have the tooling, we won't invest in new tools and factory lines just for some changes. That design worked in the past and will work for some more years, you focus on the big next generation designs" (like iPhone X and we don't know what's in the works).
Strategic leadership under Cook seems to be to keep current hardware design for as long as possible (and then continue to produce years old models at a lower price to get some more out of old tooling) and I'd bet he's what holds up evolution at Apple.
but I'd bet the reason the iPhone SE stayed in the very same iPhone 5 case and other products didn't develop is because bean counter and operations guy Tim Cook said "No Jony. We have the tooling, we won't invest in new tools and factory lines just for some changes. That design worked in the past and will work for some more years, you focus on the big next generation designs" (like iPhone X and we don't know what's in the works).
Strategic leadership under Cook seems to be to keep current hardware design for as long as possible (and then continue to produce years old models at a lower price to get some more out of old tooling) and I'd bet he's what holds up evolution at Apple.
Hard to grasp what exactly is the cause of stagnation.
Hundreds of super-talented designers, once attracted by Joni, must have seen so many of their designs denied or delayed in all those years of iPhone 6....8 and concurrent bigbezel iPads - where the competition was setting the trend with smaller bezels.
Did it take hundreds of people to apply a polyethylene ring to get butterfly keys dustproof ?
To design a refurbed dental floss Airpod box ? To make an AppleWatch or MBPro 4% thinner ?
What did Marc Newson accomplish all that time ? Why didn’t he get any public attention or mentioning ? Would Joni allow anyone else share in the successes ? Or is he just there to endure his own legacy ?
Whether being denied by Joni or Tim or whomever, it must have been such a frustrating experience to work with the Narcistochondres that I can’t imagine anything else than that the best of breed of the younger talent have left, sadly and silently.
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Yes, the change from 3gs to 4/5 and from 4/5 to 6 wire much bigger visual changes than the 6 to X.
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Now I know why he speaks so slooooowly.
He has to fill his day somehow.
What stagnation is being discussed? Unless you are referring to the Mac lineup. We al have different opinions and spend our $$$ as we see fit I guess. And money talks and ******** walks.
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Disagree. The 6 and x are different as night and day, moreso than 5 to 6, of which both had bezels.Yes, the change from 3gs to 4/5 and from 4/5 to 6 wire much bigger visual changes than the 6 to X.
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Now I know why he speaks so slooooowly.
He has to fill his day somehow.
You've got to come up with better lies than this. Your obvious bias is showing, and it's quite ugly.
Apple's Industrial Design team is a small group of ~22 people with hardly any turnover. Many of them have been working with Jony Ive since before Steve Jobs came back to Apple.
The industry is still copying everything Apple does. Apple competitors have even added notches to their phones just to look like an iPhone (even though the sensor array on the competitor phones doesn't have 1/2 the tech of Apple's notch).
I guess critical thinking can't be everyone's strong suit.
Here is Jony Ive and the team accepting an award at the British Design & Art Direction event:
Here is the team at an Apple Watch event with Jony next to star designer Marc Newson:
Instead of sharing uniformed drivel, I suggest you take a step back and ask yourself what is behind all of the uninformed negativity.
Everyone is different, I guess I look more at the shell, shrinking bezels is hardly a change of design to me.
You have the curved back of the 3gs
You have the chiseled looks of the 4/5
You have the bland 6-XS/XR
That's part of the success of the industrial design team. They kept the design language consistent, despite the different challenges and requirements over various generations.
In other words, while it might seem simple, it's actually a difficult challenge to make it instantly recognizable as an iPhone while making functional changes to it as an object.
They sweat little details and solve problems that the end user doesn't even notice. This is just one form of success for an industrial designer - solving a problem so that it recedes into the background and the end user doesn't even have to think about it.
A lot of Apple's design may seem obvious, but it's only so in hindsight. That's why it's usually easier for their competitors to copy them instead of creating original solutions.
Imo, the iPhone 5 wasn’t “chiseled”, while the x was quite a standout phone.
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A big ego is sometimes needed to accomplish big things.
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They don’t lead, but get copied like no other.
Actually I was surprised that my post got about 40 likes. I wonder why so many people agree with me.
Apple users are tired of the way overpriced, underperforming products Apple has been releasing.
Just look about what products Apple have been releasing lately. Just updating components wih Zero innovation.
After 4 years, in the Mac mini, they updated the Price (by almost 70%) and the color. It is the same old box. What is even worse, most are non upgradable, since components soldered into the logic board.
iMac, same thing.
There are many other PC laptops, that are $800 and come with 16gb ram, 512 SSD, Core i7 and touchscreen. Although it might not be as innovative, at least they are fairly priced.
Macbook airs they increased 20% the price for zero innovation and on top of that they ship with a 128SSD, I think is kind of insulting. Apple marketing technique is famous for shipping products with unusable configurations so they force you to upgrade and upcharge you for extra RAM and larger drives.
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Look at the 2 latest quarters. Sales have been declining. Why do you think they will not be releasing anymore how many units are they selling?
Maybe you should listen to the conference calls on earning reports.
The products are expensive but imo better than the competitors products. YMMV. I’m still using my iPhone 4 and could see using my 6s for 8 years.
You don’t speak for me here.
The Mac is one of many products, I don’t have any Macs.
Because the business is changing and the revenue mix is changing? And like other companies unit sales are not that important in 2018?
Why don't you create a phone that is half the weight of the XI and delivers 4x the sound spectrum in audio quality? What don't you liberate us from heavier devices. Watches are not the full answer, and watches have junk audio quality.
Why chain us down with heavier and heavier devices each year. You are imprisoning people to their devices, instead of liberating them with going ultralight.
Oh wait....that phone is already out there.... it's the iPhone SE
& even if you release the SE2 in March because you held it back to allow the XR to fall flat on it's face.... it's not going to be selling without the headphone jack, because people who value smaller devices are not as easily manipulated as the masses. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig, Jony.
All your new phones can do is turn gears and switches faster than previous ones post A9. You have removed key features each year and placed bayonets to the back of Apple loyalists to compel us to upgrade by throttling our batteries. The time to revolt is now, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Purchased the iPhone SE last month, the battle lines are drawn and it's beautiful making the snowflakes melt. Your move Jony.....
Why chain us down with heavier and heavier devices each year. You are imprisoning people to their devices, instead of liberating them with going ultralight.
Oh wait....that phone is already out there.... it's the iPhone SE
& even if you release the SE2 in March because you held it back to allow the XR to fall flat on it's face.... it's not going to be selling without the headphone jack, because people who value smaller devices are not as easily manipulated as the masses. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig, Jony.
All your new phones can do is turn gears and switches faster than previous ones post A9. You have removed key features each year and placed bayonets to the back of Apple loyalists to compel us to upgrade by throttling our batteries. The time to revolt is now, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.
Purchased the iPhone SE last month, the battle lines are drawn and it's beautiful making the snowflakes melt. Your move Jony.....
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