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They're excluding allot of people, both literally and communicatively.

I mean they've worked so hard to make Apple associated with affordability (albeit their prices). Now they throw that away by making gold-colored Macbook, iPhones and actual gold Watches and showcasing new stuff at exclusive design fairs. This is new...

Have I been in a coma? I've never associated Apple with "affordability" Apple has always been a sort of elitists brand. But one that everyone agrees with because their hardware and software integration is bar none as well as their motto of not cramming crap 3rd party software onto your gear like all the other manufacturers did (moreso back in the 90's and early 2000s)

But Apple products have always had a slight premium over every competitive product.

I personally don't like the direction they have taken though with the Apple Watch. It seems now more about the status symbol of the device rather than the technology. As shown by hiring the former CEO of Burberry and now doing these fashion shows. It seems Apple is taking on a bit of the Beats approach of making flashy gear that works "ok" rather than purely making the "best" gear. Don't misconstrue my words though. I'm not saying that the Apple Watch is bad like previous gen Beat headphones but I'm saying the emphasis is more on the flashiness (Gold watches, $7k watchbands, fashion shows) and the celebrity endorsements than letting the technology speak for itself.
 
Funny.. Do you any other company on earth where not coming up every time with a revolution is considered a fail ?
I think every other company would love to fail as hard as Apple.

This is an example of moving the goal posts. Yes, I had come to expect revolutionary products from Apple--my guess is that you had as well. Now, that's a TON of pressure, and even Jobs couldn't have always delivered on that, but he would have tried. I don't think this watch tries to be revolutionary in the least. This watch is likely needed to appease investors to show they're still developing new products.

Is it fair to expect so much of Apple? No. It's entirely predictable they would and will continue to return to the mean.
 
Apple's gotten people excited enough to pay £39 for a piece of plastic that probably costs £0.40 to manufacturer and about £0.001 to develop (amortised over the sales numbers). It's outrageous but you have to respect the brand loyalty they've built.

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Oh...and this probably explains J.J. Abrams' blue band.

And how do you propose that it attaches to the watch housing? Ah yes, with a precision latch, one each end. Do you think precision engineered metal mechanisms AND a band are only worth 40p? Gosh you're a skinflint, seriously.

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There sure is a lot of exclusivity associated with the Apple Watch. The lavish Edition, custom-made editions for celebrities and now these exclusive band colours for whatever reason. Apple used to be a lot more inclusive with their products, but the Apple Watch is starting to change that image.

I take it you've heard of brand promotion and marketing? How do you think the everyday fashion styles that you buy for £10-30 start out? On a catwalk. If they ONLY sold Apple watch to celebrities, they wouldn't sell very many.

So they're not inclusive? How do you explain ANYONE being able to walk into an Apple Store and try one on, and then being able to go online and order one, then? The cheapER models are hardly bank breaking, anyone can have one.
 
Those tiny little watch faces make me really want a 30"+ 4K cinema display. But alas, the big money is in trendy lifestyle tech these days. :(
 
So, common colors for a plastic watch band is now a fashion statement? Give me a break, it's just a plain Jane overpriced watch with very little functionality.
 
How about everyone keeps their know it all opinions quiet, and waits six months before criticising a product that, in all reality, barely 0.001% of you have actually seen in reality, let alone USED? No one has been able to use this device day to day for a few months, as the general public do not yet have them in their possession, ergo are unable to make an objective, concise and balanced decision as to how it works overall.

Same tedious MR naysaying, go and shout it from a mountain top, no one thinks you're as important to the degree that YOU do, so you just keep on being negative, and Apple will keep on selling Apple watch by the container load, whilst you're sitting behind your keyboard trying to alter reality with ridiculous, unqualified statements of no value.
 
I'm starting to get a little overwhelmed with all the opulence surrounding this launch. Apple is really laying the pretentiousness on thick.

I don't think I've ever seen a more pretentious name than Umberta Gnutti Beretta...

Enough fashion, let's get back to the tech.
 
I'm starting to get a little overwhelmed with all the opulence surrounding this launch. Apple is really laying the pretentiousness on thick.

I don't think I've ever seen a more pretentious name than Umberta Gnutti Beretta...

Enough fashion, let's get back to the tech.

Maybe that's... her name? Just a thought.

>_<
 
This is an example of moving the goal posts. Yes, I had come to expect revolutionary products from Apple--my guess is that you had as well. Now, that's a TON of pressure, and even Jobs couldn't have always delivered on that, but he would have tried. I don't think this watch tries to be revolutionary in the least. This watch is likely needed to appease investors to show they're still developing new products.

Is it fair to expect so much of Apple? No. It's entirely predictable they would and will continue to return to the mean.

I think, like the tablet market.... they will be the spark, the fuse, & the dynamite in the explosion that happens next!
iPad sales down or not, one must admit that is a successful product category. There was scarcely a "tablet market" at all prior to iPad. Now they are ubiquitous, five short years later... & are MUCH more capable. Could the iPad 1, with its paltry 256mb RAM really do much more than display web pages & play very light, non-demanding games?? No. But, each successive gen of both it & its competition became more useful.

Apple Watch is at the EXACT same stage.
Wearables are here to stay. In five years, this entire smartwatch category will be far more nimble & adept. We will see the utility increase tremendously... a lot of it through apps. For that to happen... there MUST be a 1st product.

I obviously enjoy & get more use out of my iPad Air 2 than I did of my iPad 1. Yet, I do NOT regret owning it. It has been fun being involved with the changes in the hardware & watching the ecosystem adapt to those.
I eagerly await doing the same with the first five iterations of Apple Watch!
 
I don't think I've ever seen a more pretentious name than Umberta Gnutti Beretta...
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Yeah, these Italians, they're so weird. Just because they are italians, they think they should have italian names.
Some people ... :rolleyes:
 
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You should have purchased a nicer Omega. That model is a little bland.

It is my only Omega, but my daily wearer, love it. Which Omega did you have in mind? In the category of diving watches, I also wear this Rolex occasionally,

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But it does not matter, any watch + decent fitness band + iPhone, basically makes the Apple Watch redundant.
 
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't think 18 hours is taken as guaranteed. I would think most avid readers would already be aware of the 2.5 hours of heavy use which was claimed a little while ago.

I really don't agree with what you're saying about making the battery not 'look' bad using 'deliberate tactics'. That suggests dishonesty, which is probably what's feeding your rejection of the 18 hour claim.

The battery is what it is. It's about the size of a coin and it's only going to get smaller in the later releases. Week-long battery life at that size could be decades away.

The iPhone still has many API restrictions to preserve battery but nobody is running around exposing this as a scandal. It probably always will 'deliberately block developers' and so will the Watch. That is just sensible design not a tactic to mislead reviewers and potential purchasers. Owners are benefitting from these deliberate tactics every day.

Without that, some developers would just write whatever code features got them the most attention and to hell with your battery. Apple can't let their product be defined by bad programmers or bad expectations. The API will have many other restrictions to protect the product image. Just like the iPhone doesn't let you select comic sans as the main system font (unlike my Mum's phone).

Perhaps we can just agree, the watch lasts a whole day if you do what the watch is intended for, but if you want it to burn out before you've finished breakfast you can probably arrange for that too.

I hear what you say, however, I'm not saying Apple are being dishonest, only that we need to accept they are using, let's call them, "Tactics" to make things look at their best, and I can't blame them as a business for wishing to do that.

Let's use an Analogy.

I make bags for carrying things.
The handles on the bags are only so strong, as, at the moment it's hard to make strong handles.
I (don't ask how) have the ability to control what items you can put in the bags I'm selling.
Now..... Because these are a new product for me, I don't wish there to be lots of news stories about how rotten these bags are, as you put some heavy items in them, and the handles split/break off.
It would be all over the media that my bags are rubbish, and I don't want that to happen.
So I use a "TACTIC" and I (don't ask how!) limit what you can place in the bags.
This way my bags look pretty good. They carry things I recommend you carry and a weight I have set up as a max, so it all looks great and my bags become popular.
Later on in the year, when my bags are well established, have a good media report, customers have got used to them, more are being sold and all is looking rosy. I have a success.

THEN. I can start lifting my restrictions on what you can place in these bags, and reports, here and there will start coming in about handles breaking. But my bags are already a popular and well regarded item.

These few stories, will just get down to people using my bags wrong, not as I recommended, and the people putting too much in bags will be the ones to get the blame, not my bags as they are already a proven popular product.

That's how I see it.
It's not dishonest, it's clever tactics.
Without early restrictions being deliberately set in place things would look bad, and media reports would be negative and sales would stall.
This way it won't happen.
 
Thanks for posting that Polar piece, I didn't know they had one yet. Nice. 99 € not too bad.

It is awesome, for accurate calorie burns it connects to a Polar real hearth rate monitor via Bluetooth. The iOS App is also excellent. Check it out.
 
I like the purple one, but when the red one comes out, I'm going to buy it immediately. It will look fantastic with the space black SS head.
 
I'm starting to get a little overwhelmed with all the opulence surrounding this launch. Apple is really laying the pretentiousness on thick.

I don't think I've ever seen a more pretentious name than Umberta Gnutti Beretta...

Enough fashion, let's get back to the tech.

I assume Umberta is a female version of Umberto? probably not a super common name but I dont (personally) see it as pretentious.

and Beretta.. (I think) she's one of these people.

http://www.beretta.com


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AppleScruff1 being as usual..... AppleScruff1.

You should make a team with Piggie and some other caracters in here. We may help you with the name for the team ;)

A sense of humor is a wonderful thing. There are a lot of characters here, that's for sure.
 
I actually had a different thought in mind.

It's some kind of unfortunate to publicly provide all these custom versions of the Apple Watch to fashion celebrities so early. I mean, what is the underlying message behind this? Commonors can only buy the maxed-out Edition watch if they're ambitious to get the maximum classiness. From my point of view the timing behind these promotions is just not right. This is actually not the way to promote a new product. People want to be able to purchase what they see.

Doing this later during the product life cycle might be understandable. Now, were still non of the purchases arrived at the customers, they already read about serveral special editions, they at least at the very moment will not be able to purchase even if they wanted or could afford.

Just a thought...

In defense of Apple, most consumers will not see the article or the pictures of the exclusive bands.
 
It is my only Omega, but my daily wearer, love it. Which Omega did you have in mind? In the category of diving watches, I also wear this Rolex occasionally,

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But it does not matter, any watch + decent fitness band + iPhone, basically makes the Apple Watch redundant.
Yea.. And I drive a Ferrari. I also drive a Maserati occasionally.
 

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your actions don't match your words..

(though maybe the '****' is something different than i assume? because generally, someone that doesn't give a flyin' **** about watch band variations certainly wouldn't open a thread about watch band variations)

Your reading comprehension skills certainly do not match your lofty ambitions to be a troll or you're simply confusing interest with hate.

I'm complaining about this non-story, the micro coverage of every ponderous color gradient and minutia of a flippin' wristband that's no different in it's function or usefulness than the last and, more so, the general direction that front page rumors here are going. The watchband is the catalyst of my disappointment not an object of interest.
 
I'm starting to get a little overwhelmed with all the opulence surrounding this launch. Apple is really laying the pretentiousness on thick.

I don't think I've ever seen a more pretentious name than Umberta Gnutti Beretta...

Enough fashion, let's get back to the tech.

Wait, do you not think it's fashionable to have APple products? Many people buy it for the logo.The world's most valuable brand (as deemed by Forbes)
 
But it does not matter, any watch + decent fitness band + iPhone, basically makes the Apple Watch redundant.

Not that I'm buying an apple watch, but that's not much of a knock -- as long as you have three other products, including two wrist-worn products, apple watch isn't necessary! I mean... That sounds more like an endorsement than a criticism.
 
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