Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Here we go....Apple preparing the environment for the dystopian future which will be our AI/AR/VR future....Noooooooo.....

This is all a part of Apple's meticulously planned and crafted PR strategy to ensure that this product is at least a lukewarm hit at launch...DON'T FALL FOR IT GUYS!!!!

No matter what these journalists tell you....you don't want to be wearing a ski mask for 8-hours a day!!!
 
That can’t run macOS. lol
The original McIntosh couldn’t run most applications made for the Apple II.
That’s why the Apple II continued to exist several years after.
Macs will continue to exist and be used for decades, but “runs macOS” has never been the mark of a successful product.
The iPod didn’t run macOS, neither did the iPhone, or the iPad, or the Apple Watch, or the AirPods… but Apple sells more of those every year than they do products that run macOS.
 
Last edited:
I don’t consider myself to be rich by any means, and by AVP launch, I will have saved enough to buy a Vision Pro + an extra battery.

It’s called a savings account, and everyone will have had about 9 months to save.

Why are all products supposed to be priced for impulse purchasing, and not viewed as something you might have to save a few paychecks for?
 
I’d rather look at a photo than strap a giant expensive thing to my face.
You could watch on a cheaper headset. But either way, sure that’s up to you. And 2D photos and videos will always have a place. But spatial videos will be there as an option in case you ever decide to step off that odd hill to die on.
 
I don’t consider myself to be rich by any means, and by AVP launch, I will have saved enough to buy a Vision Pro + an extra battery.

It’s called a savings account, and everyone will have had about 9 months to save.

Why are all products supposed to be priced for impulse purchasing, and not viewed as something you might have to save a few paychecks for?
Considering that the majority of Americans don’t have $500 to spare in the event of an emergency, I’d say that scrounging together $4,000 isn’t really in the cards for most people over the course of 9 months. People have other expenses, and could also buy a lot of nice things for that price.

It’s also hard for people to justify the cost regardless. I can afford the AVP at launch, but do I want it that badly to justify the cost? I really don’t think so.

Apple devices generally hold their value pretty well, but I bet you’ll be able to get a used one for under $2,500 within a few months of launch.
 
And for people who are really into porn. Just like the early versions of video recorders. Those two classes of individuals will drive demand that increases economies of scale, spawns competition from other products and eventually decreases price and increases quality. VTR's are your case study here.

I’d hate to see what that cloth part that touches your face looks like after a couple years! 😳

On that note, don’t try on a friends Vision Pro if he offers!
 
You could watch on a cheaper headset. But either way, sure that’s up to you. And 2D photos and videos will always have a place. But spatial videos will be there as an option in case you ever decide to step off that odd hill to die on.
The visual quality of those cheaper headsets makes viewing a free hi-res photo the better option anyway.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: robsp2000
This device is going to engage a lot of shrinks as people dealing with grief, get addicted to watching videos on this of relatives who have passed and screwing themselves up thoroughly in the process.
 
  • Like
Reactions: decypher44
Make some spatial videos of your car first, then it’ll be almost as if it were there.

That’s why that poor guy in Apple’s video was sitting alone in his house watching spatial video of his family. He can’t afford them anymore. The house was empty because he’s about to move out.

They have got to find a less depressing way to demo these videos.
 
Because in 5yrs time when you buy the Vision Pro equivalent of the iPhone 4 that’s affordable and mass market you’ll have 5 years of spatial videos to be view of your family, friends, loved ones present and past.

This does remind me though that Steve was still alive and in charge of the iPhone 4. That and the 4S were the last ones he had direct complete control over. Let’s hope Tim can do the same. Steve’s motivation was always to bring powerful technology to the people at a reasonable price.
 
This device is going to engage a lot of shrinks as people dealing with grief, get addicted to watching videos on this of relatives who have passed and screwing themselves up thoroughly in the process.

This, combined with Personal Voice, combined with LLMs is going to equal a whole new world of psychological disorders. We thought TV was bad. Wait until we can have whoever we want do or say whatever we want whenever we want for as long as we want.
 
  • Like
Reactions: decypher44
I just tried a couple of iPhone Spatial videos on my Quest 3. Honestly pretty surreal in a cool way. You’ve probably seen 3D images and movies before, but it’s wild seeing your own pets in 3D in front of you.

And I’m sure it’ll look much better on AVP.

I want to give it a try on a 3D TV. I know it can be done, but I haven't gotten the extra process yet. lol
 
There's a lot of ridicule about the device not running MacOS. I don't understand how that's a bad thing.

Apple's OS'es are really distributions of the same OS. Each one adds and removes features to offer a great experience. A task manager on the phone wouldn't be great. A browser on Apple TV wouldn't be great. The same applies with Vision Pro. Apple has a great way of integrating MacOS into the VisionOS experience with Mac External Display. This enables you to use all the Mac apps while keeping the VisionOS system insulated. It also enables the user to leverage more powerful computers than what the Vision Pro can provide on device. But, beyond the Mac display, this product has everything I need for a daily driver computer. I fortunately have a big head and didn't have too much trouble with a quest 3 when I had one.

One thing is for sure. Apple puts their customers in a walled garden, but many of us know that garden is a nice place to be. Vision Pro will integrate well with the other platforms and I am quite excited to see where this goes.
 
I know how you feel about it is most likely the norm amongst most people, but not for me.

My son passed 6 years ago. He was a stand-up comic, and I have videos up on YouTube, as well as family vids and photos on all my Apple gear. To this day, I’ve only been able to watch one of his stand-ups. It’s just way too hard to see and hear. I can’t even imagine seeing him in something like what they’re describing here. I’d be a wreck. But, again, I know I’m an outlier in this, and understand how wonderful this would be for others.
Managing grief is complex for sure. But, I think just knowing those memories exist is probably more valuable even if you never watch them. It's there, on your terms, rather than forgotten.
 
This does remind me though that Steve was still alive and in charge of the iPhone 4. That and the 4S were the last ones he had direct complete control over. Let’s hope Tim can do the same. Steve’s motivation was always to bring powerful technology to the people at a reasonable price.

Way back in 1984, Steve's Mac with 128K RAM, a floppy disk for storage, and a 9" B&W screen at $2,495, would be the equivalent of $7,400 in today's dollars.

$2,500 was a LOT of money back then, far from reasonable for a lot of people.

Also...people are forgetting AVP (and it's more advanced upcoming follow-ons) is primarily about AR, and solving problems. VR and being able to have an immersive experience watching videos, comes along for the ride.
 
Way back in 1984, Steve's Mac with 128K RAM, a floppy disk for storage, and a 9" B&W screen at $2,495, would be the equivalent of $7,400 in today's dollars.

$2,500 was a LOT of money back then, far from reasonable for a lot of people.

Yes. But compared to what contemporary computers did for similar amounts of money, it was way better. Or what it would cost to do the same thing without a computer. Same as today. Not everyone can afford/wants to spend the money on a Mac. Of course the difference is less stark today.

I don't even want to know what the equivalent of $3500 in today's money will be 40 years from now. But they do still seem to have the goal of bringing cutting edge technology to people that is relatively inexpensive (providing for their huge margin of course.) The benefit has always been the experience.
 
Yes. But compared to what contemporary computers did for similar amounts of money, it was way better. Or what it would cost to do the same thing without a computer. Same as today. Not everyone can afford/wants to spend the money on a Mac. Of course the difference is less stark today.

I don't even want to know what the equivalent of $3500 in today's money will be 40 years from now. But they do still seem to have the goal of bringing cutting edge technology to people that is relatively inexpensive (providing for their huge margin of course.) The benefit has always been the experience.

But that was not recognized until much later on.

IBM PC (and similar computers) ruled back then. Steve's Mac was a first gen device with a small screen. And at $2,500 was way out of reach for many people back in 1984. Back then engineering wages were around less than $10/hr.
 
Make some spatial videos of your car first, then it’ll be almost as if it were there.
You jest, but I was actually going to say that spatial videos might be great for working on cars. :)
I still wrench on mine every now and then, and I am thinking about all the nooks and crannies up in a wheel well or dashboard where I could not contort myself to see what I needed to. If you dared stick your iPhone up in those areas, you might be able to pick up a little more context that you might not get from a mirror or even a borescope. Of course, all the economic concerns that have already been mentioned still apply...
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.