As Tycho24 said, "please educate yourselves". We all make consumer choices. If you use Apple Messages, and your friends switch to android, why point the blame at the 'service' provider? Anyway, there always existing an easy fix for this "problem" if the iOS user wanted to keep his or her android friend - absolutely no need for Apple to publish a 'deregister' tool.
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Judge Dismisses Android-Switching iMessage Lawsuit Against Apple
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Love it when apple fans come to their defense. Ridiculous. It's always someone else's fault right?
Yes. Which is why I won't be rewarding them with my $$$. Of course, after I mentioned this to my friends, I don't think anyone is switching away from iOS any time soon!.
I probably won't even switch my wife away from iOS because of this, so it really is too bad that Apple is now keeping people in the ecosystem because they hold us hostage.
Doubt they'll ever do anything about it, because evidently they cannot even be sued over this.
to fix this either buy an apple device or change your phone number
I love it when someone that has had this issue thinks that everyone else is having it and because they say so they are big defenders of Apple. The real deal is YES people have had this issue and in most cases it has been resolved. In the rare situation where it continues, then the person that is sending to you, needs to remove you from there messenger app and contacts and then then re-enter you. It's hoops to jump through but I don't know anyone that has had the issue that it doesn't work. Each of us just share our experiences, no one person is right or wrong. But to accuse people of just blindly defending Apple is BS.
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I have been following some of these apple proceedings for some time, and it would appear judge Lucy Koh often rules over man apple related litigation cases, and is certainly rules in favour of Apple.
In which case you definitely did not read some of the posts in this thread..... Most of the thread, and just jumped in. Quiet a number of the posts show people have not read the actual article and don't understand the issue , and have jumped in defending Apple as though this bug/issue was an easy fix. It took a few years for Apple to resolve.
Do you even realise, for a very long time Apple support could not resolve this???? Your resolution is only partial, understand the issue if you call BS! Otherwise you look silly.
cause saying "please educate yourself" while not understanding the issue tends to loose some credibility as a valid debating method.
Fundamentally you loose the ability to SMS you friends outside the Apple ecosystem, given the user sends the sms and it never makes it to the network provider .... who's fault it is?
I had a experience where I would text my friend back in the UK while I was on holidays in Australia , they recieved my messages, but thier replies went to my iPad which was in the UK. Not till I got back to the UK did we realise we did not ignore each other but iMessage was a mess and we were both with Apple . Most people resolved any issues with iMessage by turning it off. Simple 3rd party apps achieve what Apple has failed with iMessage.
Unless I'm wrong, the whole basis of this lawsuit is hinged on the idea that Apple wilfully and maliciously made it so that phone numbers could not be released from the iMessage system. That doesn't sound like an Apple move and from the numerous fixes they've implemented, it seems that the judge also understands this.
I can't see it being malicious , I suspect it was just a bug discovered along the way. Though apple did not prioritise the fix to it for a long time. One could argue it served thier purposes , though realistically speaking the numbers effected by this would be so low that it had not made it up the priority list. Ditching iMessage would have resolved this for most people, and if you have friends on other OS platforms, you would not be using iMessage anyway. Nearly everyone I know ditched iMessage and switched to whatsapp. Problem solved, and does not use your sms allowance, so even better than iMessage.
iMessages also don't use up the SMS allowance if the receiver is also using iMessage--it's simply data. The downside is, of course, that iMessage is iOS only while WhatsApp is available on multiple platforms.
That's what I meant, by using whatsapp, being cross platform, you don't use your sms allowance, iMessage has to use sms cross platform cause, iMessage is not available outside of apple ecosystem.
The ironic thing is, iMessage using data made a ton of sense when it first came out, because many people had unlimited data, and texts cost a lot.
Then all that flipped, and now most people have unlimited texts, and expensive mobile data.
So it goes.
It's not really childish if that's what it does sound like, because it is indeed what it sounds like. There's absolutely no reason how/why Apple got away with this so easily.
Sure there is! One plaintiff asked to be removed and the other two didn't have any evidence! Do you really think a person, corporation, group, etc. should be punished sans evidence?
Total lie.
Judge Koh was the one that often favored Samsung in the patent cases. She was part of the reason why Apple's original multi-billion patent suit was watered down to a few hundred million, which Samsung finally agreed (admission of guilt) to pay (albeit reluctantly). Clearly she favored a tiny slap-in-the-wrist for Samsung. For the most part, she was heavily biased in favor of Samsung's defense.
I'll respond to you , as you did to me, rubbish! She has in fact slapped the wrist of both apple and Samsung. To call her pro Samsung is dreaming!
I'll be honest , I don't really care for these cases, and my comment was just an opinion based on this ruling. I'm sure she is fed up with apple and Samsung . An opinion is not a lie, as I don't know the truth.
This case looks like the plaintiffs were not prepared , and I established this after my comment.
So many Apple haters here. Very few people were affected by this bug. The other issues aren't bugs, they are features. Group messaging with Android users doesn't work as well as for iOS users for a reason - SMS has limitations. The threads get split when the limits are surpassed. Don't like it? Buy an Apple device or use another messaging service. Quit asking for an android version of iMessage. I'd quit using Apple products if they made an android iMessage app. Everyone I know uses iMessage over other messaging services. Those other ones aren't baked with Siri and other cool features
If you guys read the linked article or pdf, the judge isn't saying Apple is right or anything.
From the article, "... two of the three plaintiffs in the case had gotten rid of their old iPhones after they filed the suit against Apple..." and "... One of the plaintiffs also previously asked that she be dismissed as a "named plaintiff" in the case...".
So in summary, two people had no evidence cause they sold their iPhones and the thrid person said they don't want to sue anymore.
Also, for those saying it isn't a bug or is user error, from the article, "... Employees of Apple and various phone retailers told Business Insider they believed that fixing the glitch had been a low priority for Apple because customers who switched to Android became so unhappy at not getting their messages that many were forced to switch back."
From the article, "... two of the three plaintiffs in the case had gotten rid of their old iPhones after they filed the suit against Apple..." and "... One of the plaintiffs also previously asked that she be dismissed as a "named plaintiff" in the case...".
So in summary, two people had no evidence cause they sold their iPhones and the thrid person said they don't want to sue anymore.
Also, for those saying it isn't a bug or is user error, from the article, "... Employees of Apple and various phone retailers told Business Insider they believed that fixing the glitch had been a low priority for Apple because customers who switched to Android became so unhappy at not getting their messages that many were forced to switch back."
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You are correct, many of us jumped into the thread from the headline, due to having experienced this bug, and the fact is, the plaintiffs are the reason this was rejected. Issue is still valid.
Wow, if apple ever creates an iMessage app for another OS, you will quit using apple products. I doubt your able to judge who a hater is if you would leave Apple over them releasing iMessage on Android.
You have zero idea how many people were affected.
FYI : people don't want iMessage to be cross platform, they found better alternatives. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.
Most of the people that are replying aren't replying from 3 years ago they are replying from now. YES, I think those of us that have had Apple phones and switched to Android discovered this issue. I for one had mine fixed without much fuss and this was when all this mess first started. Are you saying this issue has been fixed? There are those that are saying it's still going on even after calling Apple and following all the different means of resolve it. Since you profess to know so well, is it still happening without a resolution or not?
You seem to think you are the only one on this forum that understands the issue. My solution has resolved this issue for over a dozen people that I know. You say it's only a partial fix, okay I am not arguing one way or the other. Like I said most of us are just sharing our experiences as to what worked. I for one have never said this isn't a valid issue, but I don't believe it lives up to the legal requirement to be a class action.
Here you are trying to police everyone that you think is just posting to defend Apple. There will always be those people so why waste your time getting into useless pissing contest?
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If your are going to provide a solution I suggest you include the actual issue it resolves . The issue raised by this case was the people who left for another another platform without turning off iMessage . You solution does not solve this.
I assume your solution is for people in 2015 that still have this issue? In which case good advice.
I believe this is an incorrect statement. Based on my experience with multiple devices and several numbers consistent with the use case this would definitely not fix the problem. The problem statement is not addressed with a different device.
My post was addressing those that had tried all the solutions and yet say they are continuing to have the issue. From my experience and those of others I've given this suggestion too this has resolved the issue 100%. I never in any of my post said I was addressing the original posters complaint, only ongoing issues.
However, with that said I don't think drawing the conclusion that this judge didn't have evidence to support a law suit, much less a class action lawsuit is defending Apple. She has in fact ruled against Apple on several occasions if anyone cares to look up the record. All I am saying is sure there will always be Apple defenders and I don't really care about that. In this case she ruled properly based on the evidence she had even though we all know this has been and apparently continues to be a REAL issue.
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Perhaps someone recently bought her an iPhone cos she was the judge who basically couldnt understand technology and sided every time against Apple. Perhaps she is trying to present as "balanced" now. Anyone keeping score on her awarded amounts against Apple?