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Judge Says Apple Has Until December 9 to Make App Store Change Letting Developers Link to Alternate Payment Methods

Abazigal said:
The iPhone, PlayStation, Xbox and switch each make up 100 of their respective markets. It’s a meaningless distinction.
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iphone makes up 50% of the entire smartphone market in the us of which there are only two options.

gaming competes between playstation, xbox, switch, pc, mobile games, random other and older consoles AND is not nearly as significant or important to people's daily lives like phones are
 
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I'm an app developer and I have been for over 13 years now. I run a small business and have made my living off of apps the entire time.

What I like about this from my perspective is that it gives user's a choice and benefits both them and me. I'm going to offer my in-app purchases at a slight discount if you don't use Apple's system (for example, credit card or PayPal), and in return it's a win-win for both me and the consumer, because I also get to avoid Apple's draconian 15%.

You see, it's simple. If Apple's cut was even SOMEWHAT competitive (say, 5% vs the 2-3% some credit processing companies take), then I'd just use Apple's system 100% of the time. But because it's 15%, I'd rather give my user's a choice that benefits us both in the process.

Business is business.

Your move Apple. Time to adjust your cut if you want developers to avoid all this nonsense.
 
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toobravetosave said:
iphone makes up 50% of the entire smartphone market in the us of which there are only two options.

gaming competes between playstation, xbox, switch, pc, mobile games, random other and older consoles AND is not nearly as significant or important to people's daily lives like phones are
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A duopoly is still 100% legal.
 
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TiggrToo said:
Facebook is not Apple. Facebook do what they do because they want to sell your data and make $$$$ off it.

Not at all like 1984.

And CSAM was a terrible knee jerk reaction because of government need to crack down on kiddie porn.
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apple does what it does to sell their products and make $$$$ off it

and if CSAM was because of a government crack down on that why didn't they do it (even though they definitely will eventually) there's been no new incredible crackdown on anything apple just didn't expect the backlash
 
ethanwa79 said:
I'm an app developer and I have been for over 13 years now. I run a small business and have made my living off of apps the entire time.

What I like about this from my perspective is that it gives user's a choice and benefits both them and me. I'm going to offer my in-app purchases at a slight discount if you don't use Apple's system (for example, credit card or PayPal), and in return it's a win-win for both me and the consumer, because I also get to avoid Apple's draconian 15%.

You see, it's simple. If Apple's cut was even SOMEWHAT competitive (say, 5% vs the 2-3% some credit processing companies take), then I'd just use Apple's system 100% of the time. But because it's 15%, I'd rather give my user's a choice that benefits us both in the process.

Your move Apple.
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Sorry, remind me how credit card companies provide a storefront for your apps. Also, just an update on the services they provide to allow global downloads of your app, advertising, reviews, and ALL the libraries they make available for your app to exist.
 
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toobravetosave said:
iphone makes up 50% of the entire smartphone market in the us of which there are only two options.

gaming competes between playstation, xbox, switch, pc, mobile games, random other and older consoles AND is not nearly as significant or important to people's daily lives like phones are
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But their smartphone market share globally is only 13.7%...
 
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toobravetosave said:
sure but it's bad and hopefully governments do something about it and not just to apple but in all areas where 2-3 companies have completely taken over
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It’s not even legally bad. That’s just your opinion.

What do you expect to happen? Another manufactuer to appear out of nowhere and grab a significant maket share in an exceptionaly mature market?
 
TiggrToo said:
It’s not even legally bad. That’s just your opinion.

What do you expect to happen? Another manufactuer to appear out of nowhere and grab a significant maket share in an exceptionaly mature market?
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i expect them to have to do similar things to microsoft like not being able to include first party apps and requiring them to provide choices and competition within their own platform
 
Uber, Instacart, Door Dash, Drizly, Sonic and a bunch of other services, all have apps and all allow bypassing Apples payment system. Even my utility company has an app I can use to pay my bill. Apple has no problems with hosting them on the App Store and letting them collect money without the Apple 30% tax. Most actually accept Apple Pay too making it really easy to pay in the app. Seems arbitrary and capricious of Apple to treat some companies and their apps different than others. More to the issue, they already allow a bunch of apps to have their own payment system, so Apple knows how to do this.
 
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toobravetosave said:
i expect them to have to do similar things to microsoft like not being able to include first party apps and requiring them to provide choices and competition within their own platform
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Wow, before going down that road, you really should read up on what the MS action was all about and why it’s nothing like the current situation.

For starters, Microsoft dictated what 3rd party suppliers could install on the third party hardware in an attempt to destroy Netscape Navigator’s markey share and push IE.

Now, tell me how that relates to this case?
 
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Art Mark said:
What are ‘reasonable rates’? And why can’t a company let the market decide? if people don’t want to use an iPhone they can buy Android? And since when do ‘reasonable’ rates apply in business? Have you looked at what interest rates credit card companies charge? I just don’t think your argument holds any water. It is irrational. And it completely ignores market realities. Please, but an Android. Costco only accepts Visa cards. Is that illegal too?
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"What are ‘reasonable rates’? And why can’t a company let the market decide?" - maybe that's why Android outsells iOS 3:1. I have looked at credit card interest rates and they don't come into play if you're not an idiot and hold a balance. That's a consumer choice. And "Please, but an Android" - what does that even mean? "Costco only accepts Visa cards". No, they accept cash and debit as well. I just don’t think your argument holds any water.
 
TiggrToo said:
Wut?

The whole point of 1984 IS the extreme.

The language is controlled. Your work is controlled. Who you love is controlled. Who you hate is controlled. Who you’re at war with is controlled.

And ALL of it is subject to change on an absolute whim of the state.

Let me know when your life is under any of those limitations.
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When it does, it won't happen suddenly with some on/off switch. It becomes that way over time, and you tend to notice those gradations, unless you're under thrall.
 
ethanwa79 said:
You see, it's simple. If Apple's cut was even SOMEWHAT competitive (say, 5% vs the 2-3% some credit processing companies take), then I'd just use Apple's system 100% of the time. But because it's 15%, I'd rather give my user's a choice that benefits us both in the process.
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While irrelevant to consumers and developers, Apple does have the costs of running the app store, which third party payment companies don't need to deal with. In this context, it's easier to charge less, when you are also providing less for the cost.

I am not saying this necessarily justifies their 15% or even 30% cut, but I do feel that Apple is justified in collecting at least something for the role the App Store plays in streamlining the process of locating, purchasing and installing apps.
 
cmaier said:
You think a percentage of what you spend goes to the content creators for magazines? Because it doesn’t. It goes into the pocket of the publisher, who pays the author $200 flat fee to churn out 2000 words.
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trickle down economics ( It might or might now work)
In any case I would still prefer the publisher would get more.
 
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