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What? It was a simple question.

As to your question, yes, if Apple was watching everything I did via electronic devices that were forcibly installed in my home, was falsifying news and history, was engaged in endless wars in order to keep itself in power, etc., then I would object.

So, only when it becomes that extreme. Understood.
 
So, only when it becomes that extreme. Understood.

Those are the things big brother did. He may also have been less extreme - taunting squirrels, rubbing dog fur against the grain, whatever - but the book doesn’t tell us about those things.
 
I feel like people like to be closed minded when it comes to Apple and what Apple thinks is right. Remember this is nothing different then what you do on your Mac on the web. Paying for Amazon purchases, Netflix, Spotify, buying/ downloading apps on the web, paying bills online etc. This is literally the same thing. It’s like asking Apple to only allow the installation and payments of Apps on Macs exclusively through the App Store. I would switch off Mac in heart beat off Apple ever did that.

The difference is that Mac applications typically haven't had "one-click purchases"... spending money with the tap and a glance on digital goodies. Mobile apps and gaming have changed the landscape dramatically with regards to how easy it is to spend real money.

I haven't followed this case closely, but I find it hard to believe that Apple will host and support applications that aren't bringing in some form of revenue for Apple if those same apps are bringing in revenue for the developers. They won't give away the App ecosystem for free. So yes, developers can now direct users to external payment systems for in-app purchases, but what will those same developers pay to Apple for hosting their app? Anyone know?
 
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The difference is that Mac applications typically haven't had "one-click purchases"... spending money with the tap and a glance on digital goodies. Mobile apps and gaming have changed the landscape dramatically with regards to how easy it is to spend real money.

I haven't followed this case closely, but I find it hard to believe that Apple will host and support applications that aren't bringing in some form of revenue for Apple if those same apps are bringing in revenue for the developers. They won't give away the App ecosystem for free. So yes, developers can now direct users to external payment systems for in-app purchases, but what will those same developers pay to Apple for hosting their app? Anyone know?

Whatever apple asks for. I take it they haven’t decided yet.
 
So, only when it becomes that extreme. Understood.

Wut?

The whole point of 1984 IS the extreme.

The language is controlled. Your work is controlled. Who you love is controlled. Who you hate is controlled. Who you’re at war with is controlled.

And ALL of it is subject to change on an absolute whim of the state.

Let me know when your life is under any of those limitations.
 
Laws, yes. Laws are meant to control bad behavior. Nothing Apple is doing here is bad, or anti-competitive, or stifling innovation. This is a case of the law punishing hard work and innovation.
Yes, laws are meant to control bad behavior, but many people would disagree with you on the anti-competitive point. There's nothing competitive about a monopoly.
 
it's not gonna be the government that scans your phone for undesirable pictures and text and censors things and redirects your web searches it's gonna be a corporation like apple
 
difference is there are more iphones sold in one year than there are xbox and playstations period
So? Why does that make any difference? Are you saying that if you create something successful and it hits a certain sales threshold then you have to make changes?
 
Well, Google already showed how it could be done, by mandating that developers who use third party payment options still have to pay them a percentage of their earnings. So developers and users get their “choice”, while Apple still gets their cut.
Right!..Tim said the same thing…Apple is still going to get paid one way or the other..
 
it's not gonna be the government that scans your phone for undesirable pictures and text and censors things and redirects your web searches it's gonna be a corporation like apple
And WHY do you think they’d be doing that? Just on a whim?

No - it will be the government who’ll be pushing for it.

The same way we’re hearing noises from government about weaking encryption etc.
 
And WHY do you think they’d be doing that? Just on a whim?

No - it will be the government who’ll be pushing for it.

The same way we’re hearing noises from government about weaking encryption etc.

facebook does everything without the government, apple was gonna do csam scanning without the government, the government doesn't need to do anything for tech companies to usher in the next dystopia
 
I personally think this is good. I might be a outlier but in contrast to the majority I welcome change. Change often induces opportunity. This is good for consumers because it produces a opportunity for Apple to become a even better company. Of course this can only be a start. Many more things have to change. The current closed Apple ecosystem is stall and and hinders real innovation.
 
it's not just me. the EU considers having significant market impact to be a standard, the us considers market dominance to be a standard, how can you ignore something like that?
It's not a question of ignoring it. I'm just considering how this really impacts the consumer. Does it really matter if Apple does the payment processing on the App Store they created? How does that impact the consumer in reality?
 
facebook does everything without the government, apple was gonna do csam scanning without the government, the government doesn't need to do anything for tech companies to usher in the next dystopia
Facebook is not Apple. Facebook do what they do because they want to sell your data and make $$$$ off it.

Not at all like 1984.

And CSAM was a terrible knee jerk reaction because of government need to crack down on kiddie porn.
 
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