What you pointed out says a lot more about you than the judge. Really the level of ignorance and bigotry on here can be disgusting. If it was a Caucasian judge, would they be inherently biased in favor of Apple?
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Judge Voids Nearly Half of Apple's $1 Billion Judgment Against Samsung, Calls for New Trial to Settle Revised Damages
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What you pointed out says a lot more about you than the judge. Really the level of ignorance and bigotry on here can be disgusting. If it was a Caucasian judge, would they be inherently biased in favor of Apple?
Apple fans: Yes, judge makes Samsung pay $1 billion to Apple. Its totally fair.
Apple fans: No, judge makes Samsung pay less than $1 billion to Apple. Its not fair.
jesus are people dumb.
Apple fans: No, judge makes Samsung pay less than $1 billion to Apple. Its not fair.
jesus are people dumb.
Pointless playing guessing games right now. The whole thing is up for appeal, so as it is damages currently stand at precisely $0 until an appeals court hears the initial case again. The appeal could result in the whole case being thrown out, damages awarded to either party or both being told they are as bad as each other.
This will run longer than Dallas or Dynasty.
How come that patent trolls get hundreds of millions for a few stupid patents and Apple only a bit more in one court over a whole range of legit patent- and intellectual claims? The whole system is so crooked.
It's a shame that all I see posted on MacRumor forums is crap conversations going back and forth, back and forth about crap. No new iPad in March, no new iPhone until 2014 (5s LOL) and over priced Macs that only 10% of the population can afford.
People can talk bad about Samsung all day long but what is Apple doing to stop them? Tim Cook has done nothing special except modify Steve Jobs existing ideas. People can be so blind they lose grip on what's really happening in Apple world.
People can talk bad about Samsung all day long but what is Apple doing to stop them? Tim Cook has done nothing special except modify Steve Jobs existing ideas. People can be so blind they lose grip on what's really happening in Apple world.
Precisely. By the time this is over we'll have the Samsung Galaxy S IV, V, VI, Note 3, and Note 4. Even Google is scared of Samsung as they are getting big enough to really fragment the Android OS. Apple won't kill Android, it will be Samsung.
In the end the survivors of the smartphone and tablet war will be: Apple and Samsung with a minor player being Motorola. BB (RIM), HTC, LG, Nokia, and Sony will be gone.
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You just Don't Get It.
Apple culture needs somebody big and mean and dark and nasty to fight against. Apple has always been all about being the white-knight underdog, a lone warrior fighting against the forces of evil and darkness.
That is how Apple rallies the troops. That is how Apple has developed a cadre of fanatics who will proselytize their hunks of plastic for free, and who will buy anything and everything that Apple offers.
It is US against THEM. The forces of good and light against the forces of darkness and evil.
It used to be IBM. Then it was MicroSoft. Now it is Samsung and Google and Android and ...
It is NOT just a gadget. It is a way of life that need to be defended. It is a mode of being, a test of loyalty, and a badge of honor. The stakes are high.
And Apple is losing. And that is upsetting. An entire culture is at stake.
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Because usually juries do NOT make gross errors, and usually their findings are deemed to be correct.
But when juries DO make gross errors, then we fall back to the concept of justice being done, and a new jury will be asked to do things properly.
This isn't a game. This is real world. The stakes are too high to let errors turn into final judgments. This is trying to do justice, the best way we can.
And when the jury commits palpable errors, then we don't let that stand.
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Do you have a shred of evidence for that? Most of the time?
I think that you are misremembering some article you read 10 years ago that said it was more common than in the past. In fact, most law firms bill time plus materials, with no fixed-price anything.
Read your facts, she's not Korean, she's fully American. She was born in Washington.
Yes indeed, it is a waste if time. When juries do not follow instructions, huge wastes of time often ensue.
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A sales injunction covering which products? The Galaxy S? Other discontinued products?
What exactly would such an injunction cover? The old Galaxy Tab 10.1 that hasn't been sold in the US for over a year?
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I have to admit that I can find nothing incorrect about your first sentence.
I am not sure how it was "trollery". I was asking a question stating that I might be misinformed, but thank you for educating me. I did not know that, which is why I said I am probably wrong.
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Thank you for that information! Clearly I was wrong!
True. They also could get more. Apple could use Samsungs figures, in the retrial, which figured a much higher amounts then what Apple ended up with. So it could also go the other way.
The issue was two fold here. One item's award was rejected by Ko since it was for a utility patent violation, which is only entitled to compensation/royalties, but the Jury also paid out lost profits as well. It was obvious from the amount figured, since it was exactly 40% of the figure Apple Expert used to the $. A figure that was was based on a total of both lost profits and compensation. Thus no clear indication of how much is compensation/royalties. If the Jury gave a random figure, which couldn't be easily attributed to the experts figures then it would have have stood. In a retral it could go up as well. The jury could find Apple is entitled to more.
Also, this has to wait until all appeals are exhausted. If nothing is overturned, it could be beneficial to Apple as well. A new jury could punish Samsung with an even higher compensation figure seeing that they are clearly in the wrong.
No, they don't have to pay anything until a final judgement has been made.
We have this thing called an appeals process and judicial review.
Basically no judgement is final until all appeals have been exhausted.
The ultimate is an appeal to the Supreme Court, but very few cases get that far.
This has yet to be determined.
There are two proceedings coming out of this case.
First, Samsung is appealing the original verdict and then there is the new trial to figure out the proper damages amount.
Judge Koh said to hold off on the retrial for damages until AFTER the appeals process is completed.
Why? Because one or more of the verdicts of infringement can be overturned on appeal.
If that happens, the retrial would have a different scope or not needed at all if the previous verdicts are tossed for some reason.
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Exactly. The part you highlighted is based on the 1st sentence of that paragraph which said IF Samsung looses their appeals.
Btw, Apple can also appeal her decision as well. Have no idea if they would bother or even prevail based on Ko's determination. But that is above my pay grade.
Not sure why the markets react to this. It's not like in a case such as this that this is not to be expected. Samsung was never ordered to cease selling offending devices and not sure how many are still for sale. It's not like Apple needed the verdict $$ or would affect operations in anyway. It's not like Apple lost the 450MM either. Just has to be re-tried. Big deal. Who are these people who freak out over what I say is a non event at this point.
IF Samsung looses all appeals, the approx 60% that judge Ko affirmed would be greater anyway since She ruled that Apple is allowed to collect damages/lost profits of offending device sales after the case was completed. Not on the basis Apple wanted. Apple is also entitled to interest, compounded annually, as well. Again not in the most favorable way Apple wanted (Prime Rate) but the lower (Treasury Rate). This was based on Apple not needing or having to borrow the $$ to function.
I have nothing against koreans. I have friends from there. I'm not against any particular race or nation.
I'm not pointing fingers at anybody in particular, I'm just stating a fact.
And this whole trial and judgement is already bizarre enough that anything is possible.
Btw, haven't you learned anything from history?
What are you referring to this time? During the initial trial this came up too. The only people who seemed to have an issue with Korean descent were Apple fans rather than Apple's own representatives. Amusingly the people on this board argued whether she was biased in favor of Samsung or Apple while ignoring the details or basis for any of these decisions. Have you considered the number of hours spent by one of these people? All most of the people on here see is a big number that one company or another owes. There is little regard for how it's calculated, and any decision in favor of one side or the other is always regarded as biased. It gets really old.
read my comment. I didn't say she was korean. I said she would happily live there with benefits from Samsung