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Ya you mean the 1 plant Samsung has in the US? LOL.
Manufacturing infrastructure in the US is not a big market.

Do you really think that? Are you so much of a fanboy to think this will only be samsung? Samsung btw hold a lot of screen technology patents, they have a lot of patents that makes mobile phone work with 3G and 4G. Apple does not have much to come with when it comes to real infrastructure patents.

And if US close the door for companies like Samsung do you really think other nations will not close the door for the US? Do you understand how dangerous this ruling are in the end?

Rulings like this will alienate other companies, and might united other companies against the likes of Apple and not to mention the US patent laws. Do you think Apple or US companies hold the patents for 4G infrastructure or 3G infrastructure? No they don't for an instance a lot of patents for make it possible to communicate in the cellular networks are hold by wait a second Samsung. Also Ericsson are hold a major part of them so are Nokia, do you think Apple can win an all out patent war in the end?
 
If "people" innovate better than "you", then "you" have to innovate even better. It's a cycle. It's not too hard to understand. You can if you try.

Yup and that cycle slows innovation. Create something - wait 2 years for people to catch up, come up with something new, wait another year or two etc.

Why do you think Apple waiting a good four years from the original iPhone to release Siri? Or why their "new" phones always have features that should have been there months / years ago?

Not hating on Apple - they get away from it because they can.
 
Democrats and Republicans are not doing a good job of running the country, maybe we should vote to win Apple into the White House to fix the company :D

Apple for President :rolleyes:
Google could be the Vice President.

Nope. LP.
 
exactly.. that is the real question..

Most of the patents in question Samsung no longer utilizes in their current UI infrastructure anyways.

Notice how not a single mention of the Galaxy SIII Was made in this court room.

That said, little concern beyond the financial one. It's a lot of money, won't hurt Samsung too much, but they can't be happy.

Going forward, it changes nothing.

...except that a ton of 14 year old apple fanboys got to wet their pants for the first time in the life.
 
Loss for copycats

Awesome for Apple! Thank god there is a jury with some sense. It is so obvious that Android devices are a direct rip-off of the iPhone, it isn't even worth arguing. This is a big win for innovation, and a big loss for copycats.
 
No need to. Apple's lawyers are in-house. They probably all ready make well over a mil each.

Also, it's not as if they worked any harder than they needed to. This was an open and shut case from the beginning.
Apple has in-house lawyers, yes, but they were not the attorneys who tried this case. This case is way, way waaaaay too big for in-house counsel.

Apple was represented by Morrison & Forester (which, for reasons I don't understand, prefers to go by MoFo so you'll think they're cool) and WilmerHale (the big firm from the A Civil Action book and film). Samsung actually had the better counsel, at least in theory--Quinn Emanuel.

The reality is, in a case like this, Samsung was a huge underdog just on the fact that it was a US company versus a foreign one. America's patent history is primarily one of ****ing over foreign firms who presented legitimate claims in favor of rewarding and protecting American companies. The speed of the verdict, given the complexity of the issues, plainly demonstrates that the jury didn't really care what they were doing. They just wanted Apple to win.
 
yes, indeed. a bounce back effect, real innovation right there! its worth millions and billions in R&D.
 
Just shows what a shambles the American courts are, in other countries crap like this would never stand. Now await tonnes of appealing joy. Just go back to stealing ideas Apple its what you do best.

Yea, and the courts agree with you. Gotta love those Koreans, they'll steal anything and everything. Hyundai, KIA and now Samsung. If you can't beat them copy them.
 
So Samsung's smartphones infringe on physical design and not trade dress?

The phones infringe on the design patents (including the icons, bounce back, etc.), but only the original and 3G designs were "diluted" (along with some general design features common to all iPhones). Whether this means someone could make a phone with an external wraparound antenna, white front and back, and speaker holes on the bottom I don't know.
 
Samsung is gonna appeal, and hopefully this time the trial will be more neutral and not in Apple's backyard.
 
How many other ways are there to implement pinch-to-zoom?

That's for Samsung to find out, maybe through, you know, actually investing money in good old-fashioned R&D, the way Apple took a huge gamble when they are conceptualising the 1st iPhone?

When people can copy it forces you to continuously innovate. When you can sue others for copying you - it allows you to become lazy.

Up to a certain point, is there a point to continuously innovate when you know your competitors are just going to copy your creations 5 seconds after your flagship products are released? You are taking huge risks, and sinking all that time and money into research, all to allow your competitors to reap the benefits of your hard work without any of the costs?

Apple reportedly spent 150 million to come up with their 1st gen iPhone, with no guarantee that it would be a financial success. They took the plunge of faith, I feel they deserve every last cent of what they earned.

To me, I don't like the entire legal tussle either, but I feel that Apple winning was the lesser of 2 evils. It was time for Apple to finally put a foot down and assert "Enough is enough with all this blatant copying", the same way you finally lash out at that bully who has been teasing you for so long now. Not very right, but completely justifiable. :(
 
Samsung is the one making money by selling Android phones, not Google (at least not directly). Also, Samsung customized Android to some extent. Apple's attorney actually mentioned an Android device (I forget which one) in his closing argument, along with the Nokia Lumia 900 as an example of a phone that didn't look like an iPhone.

Lumia 900 looks very similar to an iPod mini shape wise. Of course, this suit was about a lot more than just the physical appearance of the phones.
 
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

you said Apple INVENTED!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..... let me know when you can come up with something no one else ever did. Oh wait pinch to zoom. Hmm not totally sure but maybe. Samsung never needed cheap tricks to steal customers! Good God man!!! You have been TOTALLY blinded by Apple's BS!

Believe it or not, mobile phones existed before the iPhone, the market was quite healthy with tons of choice and no one suing anyone else because or grid icon layouts or squares with round corners. This is all business all right but it has jack s.... to do with Apple protecting or innovating or researching a damn thing, it's all about Apple abusing and using the system to kill it's competition because in fact it can't innovate, or be bothered to, I suppose if they launch a 7" iPad you will state they 'innovated and researched it so deserve to ban all other 7" tablets?"

It's like the iPhone, the only thing Apple has innovated in it is the case. Everything else is made and developed by a supplier, Sharp, Samsung, LG etc. Apple just agreed on the components to use from their suppliers.

PLENTY of FAR cheaper smart phones have existed for YEARS before Apple, Apple are the ones who hiked prices, they are the ones who force suppliers to make special costly deals exclusively for it's phone.

But I digress as Samsung will most likely appeal. Oh man I look forward to when they join up with Google and take Apple on, but I very much doubt this ruling will affect the rest of the world anyway either.

That's a good point. If Apple do decide to enter into the 7' tablet market. The rest of the tablet makers should corral together to gangbang Apple. Apple is too clever though, they're making their 7.85".
 
If "people" innovate better than "you", then "you" have to innovate even better. It's a cycle. It's not too hard to understand. You can if you try.

Tell me what is the innovation in pinch too zoom? Tell me please, or one tap to zoom ?

That is not apple innovations to start with a lot of people had that before iPhone.
 
yes, indeed. a bounce back effect, real innovation right there! its worth millions and billions in R&D.

Well, no one had it before. Part of Apple's appeal is its attention to small details that no one notices before, but which appear obvious after they've done it. In the realm of user interface, "silly" things like this make a big difference.
 
This verdict is why I held off on buying a Samsung Galaxy SIII cellphone. Who knows what kind of punishment Apple wants--and that punishment could include a ban on the sale of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy SIII models.

The biggest winner in all this: Microsoft. Why? Because the user interface of Windows Phone 7.x and 8.0 owe just about nothing to Apple's patents and copyrights on iOS, and cellphone manufacturers may have no choice but to turn to Microsoft if they want to be viable again. And Windows Phone 8.0--which will roll out this fall--supports all the latest hardware.
 
Tell me what is the innovation in pinch too zoom? Tell me please, or one tap to zoom ?

That is not apple innovations to start with a lot of people had that before iPhone.

Name them. And specify in what context those features were used.
 
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