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Again, no one had it on a phone before. Lots of phones had touchscreen and internet before 2007. None made it so easy to zoom in.

Because before 2007 all phones used resistive touch screens. You can not have multi-touch on such screen. Capacitive screens allow to detect multiple touches at once. It has nothing to do with Apple inventions.
 
I bet Ballmer, Nokia and their crew are as happy as Apple today. This makes Windows 8 a player.
 
Can't wait to read the armchair lawyers explain why the jury must have not looked at the facts presented because there is no way that Apple should have won this case. Apple did not invent the black rectange with rounded corners. :rolleyes:

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Google broadroom when the judge read the verdict. :apple:
 
It gives apple no reason to make the next three iPhones any different. Anyone who thinks otherwise just isn't thinking clearly.

That makes no sense. Apple alone created the modern smartphone and tablet markets. If others tried to innovate instead of copying apple we would be better off.
 
Another piece of BS. Samsung R&D budget is 10 times bigger than that of Apple.

They also participate in more than 10 times more markets than Apple, and also control technology development. Apple is (mostly) a technology integrator.
 
This is all just competition in the new tech arena...courts

What happens is that whoever lost would appeal. The appeal process will take years considering the amount of briefs that will be filed.

Apple will use this as leverage negotiating for Samsung settlement. If a settlement is not reached, the appellate court is very likely to reduce the verdict substantially and Apple and/or Samsung will choose whether to seek review by the Supreme Court.

I highly doubt you will see any change in how these companies operate.
 
If I remember correctly FingerWorks had Pinch-to-Zoom on some of their multitouch touchpads, but then again, Apple bought Fingerworks and all their patents. Thus Apple = Fingerworks = Inventor of P-t-Z

You just undermined your own argument. Next!
 
I have to say, the Android fanboy tears are especially delicious today.

Honestly, this seems to be pretty reasonable. Apple's insanely generic iPad design patent didn't fly, and Samsung learns that they have to abide by US patent law if they want to do business here. Anyone can see how heavily Samsung copies Apple in everything from their store layouts to wall chargers, but it's not severe enough to put the company out of business. All in all, I think $1B is a very good deal for all the mileage Samsung has gotten out of its dubious practices, especially with how damning some of the evidence was (side by sides, that SG1 doc, etc).
 
The US haven't closed the door to anyone. All they have said is that it must be clear you are not copying someone else's device. This is fair and reasonable and encourages innovation because others then have to find different (and possibly better) solutions to a problem.

No doubt there will be an appeal with a higher court that may reach a different conclusion to this verdict.

The fat lady isn't singing yet, and it isn't over until she does.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Supreme court is the highest court in the land. I believe there isn't a jury but a group of judges with extensive experience and knowledge and they decide what the final ruling will be. Why don't they just jump the gun and immediately go the the supreme court? Why waste time on jurors that can be influenced and fanangled with. This court seemed like a test of who has the best lawyers but ultimately the Supreme court should have the know how and knowledge to decide correctly and I doubt the majority will disagree with a Supreme court ruling.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic. Apple built itself on copying Xerox.

Xerox did not have commercial product! Crucial difference. Read Steve's biography for example and see how he got to see Ethernet connected Altos and object programming style.
 
Because it keeps the pressure to invent the next thing high. Ultimately strong patent laws slow innovation and reenforces monopolies or oligopolies, especially in incremental industries, where invention B needs to stand on the shoulders of invention A and so on. Then the cost to use patent A, then B, and so on, for new comers to innovate is just too high. This is how the big stay big and the small get squished. This is not about Samsung vs. Apple ultimately. This is about how far we allow these big companies to go in patenting and protecting every stupid thing.

Wrong. Please don't lump in the Big Pharma world with IT or other industries. Without patents, large corporations will blindly rip off small firms left and right. Big Pharma is an example where modifications to drugs keep them continuously in their control is a problem.

Information Technology over the next 20 years won't remotely resemble today's solutions. No comparison.
 
A lot of the components in an iPhone originate from Samsung. Companies working even closely together are definitely willing to sue each other if there's a cause.

It's different with Samsung - they are a component supplier and nothing more, whilst it's more of a partnership with Intel and Microsoft (ie they work together). Apple could theoretically switch to another supplier though there would be issues getting production lines up to speed.
 
I bet Ballmer, Nokia and their crew are as happy as Apple today. This makes Windows 8 a player.

Absolutely 100% agree. Samsung, HTC and other handset makers will end up shifting to Windows 8. Why do you think Apple and Microsoft have entered into a cross-licensing patent deal and signed an "anti-copy" agreement between the two companies? They saw this coming and are setting the stage to divide the entire market up between these two companies.

Apple and Microsoft already have a back room deal in place.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic. Apple built itself on copying Xerox.

This is a myth. If you knew your history or did some digging you would find that Apple obtained permission ahead of the Xerox PARC visit. In addition, Apple provided compensation in exchange for the various Xerox PARC ideas such as the GUI. They then made improvements upon it.
 
Jury finds company that blatantly copied another copy guilty -- the system works.

Seriously, did anyone expect anything else. Only the Fandroids at Google+ actually thought Samsung was innocent.
 
Someone at Samsung should be fired, I mean they should have opened with the Chewbacca Defense and this thing would have been over http://youtu.be/4eCRMOBOqpU

So what awesome project is Apple going to fund with this new found new money.
 
Because before 2007 all phones used resistive touch screens. You can not have multi-touch on such screen. Capacitive screens allow to detect multiple touches at once. It has nothing to do with Apple inventions.

There are resistive screens with multitouch...

Only having a screen that can detect multiple points doesn't immediately let you use it will all the functions you see today. Someone has to come up with the functions as well.
 
Apple has in-house lawyers, yes, but they were not the attorneys who tried this case. This case is way, way waaaaay too big for in-house counsel.

Apple was represented by Morrison & Forester (which, for reasons I don't understand, prefers to go by MoFo so you'll think they're cool) and WilmerHale (the big firm from the A Civil Action book and film). Samsung actually had the better counsel, at least in theory--Quinn Emanuel.

The reality is, in a case like this, Samsung was a huge underdog just on the fact that it was a US company versus a foreign one. America's patent history is primarily one of ****ing over foreign firms who presented legitimate claims in favor of rewarding and protecting American companies. The speed of the verdict, given the complexity of the issues, plainly demonstrates that the jury didn't really care what they were doing. They just wanted Apple to win.


It appears that I stand corrected with the attorneys that represented Apple in this case.

As far as this being a US company versus a foreign one is irrelevant. Samsung clearly copied from Apple.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Supreme court is the highest court in the land. I believe there isn't a jury but a group of judges with extensive experience and knowledge and they decide what the final ruling will be. Why don't they just jump the gun and immediately go the the supreme court? Why waste time on jurors that can be influenced and fanangled with. This court seemed like a test of who has the best lawyers but ultimately the Supreme court should have the know how and knowledge to decide correctly and I doubt the majority will disagree with a Supreme court ruling.

The Supreme Court hears cases regarding constitutionality. It does not hear civil cases such as this. There is no constitutional argument here.
 
does that mean samsung has to change the ui (therefor get the devices banned) etc or can they keep using it and "only" have to pay the damages?

Samsung can only continue to use the infring UIs if they license from Apple. Damages are about past infringement not future.

Samsung will probably appeal so this will start all over again.

Samsung is gonna appeal, and hopefully this time the trial will be more neutral and not in Apple's backyard.

An appeal is not a new trial. It has to be based on issues relating to how the trial was conducted or verdict arrived at, or the amount of the damages, and not every thing at trial is appealable. Also no jury is present at appeal. It's decided by a judge or panel of judges.
 
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