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Tell me what is the innovation in pinch too zoom? Tell me please, or one tap to zoom ?

That is not apple innovations to start with a lot of people had that before iPhone.

Again, no one had it on a phone before. Lots of phones had touchscreen and internet before 2007. None made it so easy to zoom in.
 
Having great fun reading Android central.

Optimism:
If its an Apple clean sweep then I don't want to live on this planet any more
Its naive to believe it will be a clean sweep on either side here

Disbelief:
Apple seriously either paid these jury members off or the judge is in apple's pockets.
Apple got away with murder by convincing idiots that they invented the rectangle

Retribution:
I sincerely hope that Samsung wins on appeal and Apple gets hit with a nice big penalty.
Wait till Motorola, Kodak, etc get a hold of Crapple in court.

And then someone who didn't like touchwiz.
I shed no tears for Samsung. First off, they put out crap hardware and touchwiz is an abortion (sic.). Second, they could have licensed the tech from Apple, but instead decided to just steal it.

I think they meant aberration though.
 
Do you really think that? Are you so much of a fanboy to think this will only be samsung? Samsung btw hold a lot of screen technology patents, they have a lot of patents that makes mobile phone work with 3G and 4G. Apple does not have much to come with when it comes to real infrastructure patents.

And if US close the door for companies like Samsung do you really think other nations will not close the door for the US? Do you understand how dangerous this ruling are in the end?

Rulings like this will alienate other companies, and might united other companies against the likes of Apple and not to mention the US patent laws. Do you think Apple or US companies hold the patents for 4G infrastructure or 3G infrastructure? No they don't for an instance a lot of patents for make it possible to communicate in the cellular networks are hold by wait a second Samsung. Also Ericsson are hold a major part of them so are Nokia, do you think Apple can win an all out patent war in the end?

The US haven't closed the door to anyone. All they have said is that it must be clear you are not copying someone else's device. This is fair and reasonable and encourages innovation because others then have to find different (and possibly better) solutions to a problem.

No doubt there will be an appeal with a higher court that may reach a different conclusion to this verdict.

The fat lady isn't singing yet, and it isn't over until she does.
 
The phones infringe on the design patents (including the icons, bounce back, etc.), but only the original and 3G designs were "diluted" (along with some general design features common to all iPhones). Whether this means someone could make a phone with an external wraparound antenna, white front and back, and speaker holes on the bottom I don't know.

So as for physical design, it comes down to looking at the front of the phone head-on, correct?
 
That's for Samsung to find out, maybe through, you know, actually investing money in good old-fashioned R&D, the way Apple took a huge gamble when they are conceptualising the 1st iPhone?

Another piece of BS. Samsung R&D budget is 10 times bigger than that of Apple.
 
Again, no one had it on a phone before. Lots of phones had touchscreen and internet before 2007. None made it so easy to zoom in.

I was under the impression the "pinch and zoom" in the case was only for menu items, and that the normal pinch and zoom we all use in looking at photos and whatnot was not covered by the patent.
 
The biggest winner in all this: Microsoft. Why? Because the user interface of Windows Phone 7.x and 8.0 owe just about nothing to Apple's patents and copyrights on iOS, and cellphone manufacturers may have no choice but to turn to Microsoft if they want to be viable again. And Windows Phone 8.0--which will roll out this fall--supports all the latest hardware.

True. And guess what. Microsoft designed a better user interface when they didn't copy Apple (Windows Phone) than when they did (Windows for PC). It's a victory for innovation.
 
Yes Apple paid nokia.

After nokia sued the **** out of of them.

Total misrepresentation of the situation.

Nokia wanted lots of money plus license for Apple patents. Apple wanted to pay less money and no Apple patents. As they couldn't agree about the amounts, they went to court. Then Microsoft bought Nokia, sorry I mean a former Microsoft employee took control of Nokia as their new CEO, priorities changed, Apple's patents were not important for Nokia anymore (exactly the patents that Samsung was infringing, and that Windows 8 phones are not infringing on), and they negotiated a deal. A rather large payment was made to Nokia, but that payment seemed to be just reasonable license fees for Nokias payment, considering Nokia hadn't accepted any license payments for any iPhones yet up to that point, so the total fees for all iPhones ever built were paid in one sum.


Another piece of BS. Samsung R&D budget is 10 times bigger than that of Apple.

Samsung should try to figure out what they are doing wrong then. So what are they spending this money on, if they still have to copy Apple?
 
I'm honestly surprised one of Apple's demands wasn't for the CEO of Samsung to appear at the iPhone 5 event, and kotow, as Tim Cook crushes a Galaxy III under his foot.
 
Name them. And specify in what context those features were used.


If I remember correctly FingerWorks had Pinch-to-Zoom on some of their multitouch touchpads, but then again, Apple bought Fingerworks and all their patents. Thus Apple = Fingerworks = Inventor of P-t-Z
 
Again, no one had it on a phone before. Lots of phones had touchscreen and internet before 2007. None made it so easy to zoom in.

And you call that an innovation? to integrate it on a smaller screen or what?
 
This verdict is why I held off on buying a Samsung Galaxy SIII cellphone. Who knows what kind of punishment Apple wants--and that punishment could include a ban on the sale of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy SIII models.

The biggest winner in all this: Microsoft. Why? Because the user interface of Windows Phone 7.x and 8.0 owe just about nothing to Apple's patents and copyrights on iOS, and cellphone manufacturers may have no choice but to turn to Microsoft if they want to be viable again. And Windows Phone 8.0--which will roll out this fall--supports all the latest hardware.

It is good news for MS as it will force the few Android OEM's that haven't licensed MS IP to reconsider, and those license fees make Android less profitable.
 
Lumia 900 looks very similar to an iPod mini shape wise. Of course, this suit was about a lot more than just the physical appearance of the phones.

It doesn't use icons, have a home button, or a "dock." It also is tapered along the edges.
 
The biggest winner in all this: Microsoft. Why? Because the user interface of Windows Phone 7.x and 8.0 owe just about nothing to Apple's patents and copyrights on iOS, and cellphone manufacturers may have no choice but to turn to Microsoft if they want to be viable again. And Windows Phone 8.0--which will roll out this fall--supports all the latest hardware.

Because they innovated and cross licensed patents with Apple.
 
That's for Samsung to find out, maybe through, you know, actually investing money in good old-fashioned R&D, the way Apple took a huge gamble when they are conceptualising the 1st iPhone?



Up to a certain point, is there a point to continuously innovate when you know your competitors are just going to copy your creations 5 seconds after your flagship products are released? You are taking huge risks, and sinking all that time and money into research, all to allow your competitors to reap the benefits of your hard work without any of the costs?

Apple reportedly spent 150 million to come up with their 1st gen iPhone, with no guarantee that it would be a financial success. They took the plunge of faith, I feel they deserve every last cent of what they earned.

To me, I don't like the entire legal tussle either, but I feel that Apple winning was the lesser of 2 evils. It was time for Apple to finally put a foot down and assert "Enough is enough with all this blatant copying", the same way you finally lash out at that bully who has been teasing you for so long now. Not very right, but completely justifiable. :(

No, I mean isn't pinch-to-zoom just pinch-to-zoom?
 
This doesn't stop innovation. It rewards it. And forces others to come up with their own ideas (innovate) or pay the licensing for other's ideas. Why invent the next great thing if everyone is free to copy it 6 months later in the name of "competition" and low prices.

Because it keeps the pressure to invent the next thing high. Ultimately strong patent laws slow innovation and reenforces monopolies or oligopolies, especially in incremental industries, where invention B needs to stand on the shoulders of invention A and so on. Then the cost to use patent A, then B, and so on, for new comers to innovate is just too high. This is how the big stay big and the small get squished. This is not about Samsung vs. Apple ultimately. This is about how far we allow these big companies to go in patenting and protecting every stupid thing.
 
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