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Yes - but we are not talking about innovations here.

We are effectively patenting pressing CMD-C or scrolling your mouse wheel.

What we are saying here to aspiring software developers is ... GIVE UP NOW, you can't afford the millions of dollars involved in writing software.

Uh, I don't know, write original software maybe.
 
So please enlighten me and tell me how else a smartphone must look like? A rectangle, an operating system. Android can't have multi touch anymore? Pinch to zoom?

They can have multi touch.
Do smartphones really need to have Pinch to Zoom, aren't there any better ways to zoom? Like using your finger to circle the area you wan't to zoom, do another circle and it zooms in even more, or fills the screen with the area you circled...

"Rectangle" shows how much aesthetic sense you have, if you believe all design aspects of the iphone can be summarized as "Rectangle"?


Simple minded to think that this would in any way stop the smartphone market, just because a few patents are held by a company... Heck, I'm sure Apple licenses a bunch of patents for smartphone technologies from Nokia, Microsoft and so on...
 
Both sides have also set up appeals already. Samsung was denied quite a few motions quite unfairly by Judge Grewall that reviewed the discovery process. Even Koh had to concede as much in a 100 page decision she rendered this week for jury instruction.

No matter what gets decided today, I have a feeling we're heading into appeals, heck, both sides will probably try to appeal some of the multiple decisions. This has been a farce since the beginning, and at this point, it covers devices that are no longer on the market really.

Anyway, like we've been saying all along : some claims will be won, others lost. Let's wait before calling things. Macrumors did quite jump the gun with "Jury Finds in Favor of Apple".

In fact, it's a lot of "YES/NO" for multiple devices on multiple patents.

KnightWRX, I noticed you stopped posting as soon as it became painfully clear that Samesung...I mean Samsung wasn't going to recover from this one.
I get it. I'm from Canada too. I like going for the underdog. Going against companies that get big, when before they were small. Rooting for the one that seems to be unjustly persecuted - even if the evidence is overwhelmingly supporting the contrary.

You defend your posts with the stance of "objectivity". Looking at the evidence "neutrally", in a nonpartisan manner. Being free of bias. Maybe that crap flies where your from, but every last post you make is laced with bias. I see right through the facade you so delicately build and I understand. Things will get better...at least Samsung can appeal right? They always have that move. Then we can go back to the "being objective" song and dance. It's ok to be an Android fan, just don't be in the closet about it. No one is going to judge you because of your choices. Macrumors is a safe place - though a unconventional place to be a Fandroid - but a equal opportunity Android/iOS liking space none-the-less.
 
LG, Samsung and Sony control almost all patents to build LCD screens for an example what would apple do when they don't want apple to use them. Well I guess this might be the last Macbook Pro i can buy since Apple might get a shortage of materials to build me a new glorious Retina mac. Not sure I want the new cathode ray screen on next version :)

Your view is simplistic. Apple is Samsung and LG's biggest customer. You think Samsung and LG will stop selling to Apple because they are pissed off about losing one or more lawsuits? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. If LG or Samsung choose to stop selling components to Apple, they will quickly find themselves on the losing side of that decision.
 
If Apple gets defined as owning too much of the essential pieces of smartphone design, you can expect anti-trust action against Apple eventually. First in Europe, then the U.S. will pile on. If it happened to Microsoft, it can happen to Apple.
 
They are considered "new ideas" by Apple home court. Next court - not in California - may rule otherwise. Notice how this court rules that Samsung infringed on almost all claimed patents whilst Apple infringed none. That just smacks of bias and the judge was a big part of it.

Send me your address so I can send you big box of Kleenex.
 
When the iPhone came along, pinch & zoom and stuff were "So Simple, Yet So Brilliant" (~Bob Wiley)... they have every right to patent and protect intellectual property; You pay to design it and develop it, you have a right to keep it to yourself.

My new SMART Board 800 has pinch to zoom. Is Apple going to sue SMART now?
 
Can you speak proper English?

can you please explain what i said, that was improper?


My new SMART Board 800 has pinch to zoom. Is Apple going to sue SMART now?

Only if it joins the smartphone market.

Facebook has a patent for News Feeds... i wonder if they'll sue Google+, Twitter, LinkedIn and all the other websites that use News Feeds for social networking.
 
This is how Apple plays hardball negotiating

Samsung knew it was ripping off Apple, and they knew they might pay for it.

Apple knew Samsung was ripping them off and then used this for some negotiation leverage.

Take a look at what these companies are worth...even if Apple had gotten everything it wanted, and there was no such thing as an appellate court, even then this decision wouldn't have done much.

Sooner or later Google and Apple will sue one another and that won't matter either. Notice how Jobs wanted to destroy Google, but still kept Google search and maps?

Too bad these big companies can't find a way to avoid the legal morass (I know I'm in fairytale land) and give people (other than attorneys) jobs with all this play money.
 
Wrong...

...what a stupid jury. No offense, but shouldn't they have got technologists as jurors for this trial?

For the same reasons you don't let programmers write user manuals. They wouldn't be able to objectively apply the user experience to the process and thats mostly what this trial is about. Droids/Iphones are for users.
 
It's not about the money it's about the next thing that Apple makes. This makes Samsung and others think before copying again. They now know that Apple will go after them and probably win.
 
So please enlighten me and tell me how else a smartphone must look like? A rectangle, an operating system. Android can't have multi touch anymore? Pinch to zoom?

Show me a single smartphone that looked like an iPhone before the iPhone was launched. There are plenty of ways that you can innovate a smartphone without copying Apple's patents. Samsung just felt it was easier to copy than create, and now they have been rightfully smacked off.
 
When people can copy it forces you to continuously innovate. When you can sue others for copying you - it allows you to become lazy.

I think you got it backwards. People who copy are the lazy ones. Passing the blame to the ones who innovate and giving the copiers a free pass. Seem like your morals are skewed.
 
Samsung knew it was ripping off Apple, and they knew they might pay for it.

Apple knew Samsung was ripping them off and then used this for some negotiation leverage.

Take a look at what these companies are worth...even if Apple had gotten everything it wanted, and there was no such thing as an appellate court, even then this decision wouldn't have done much.

Sooner or later Google and Apple will sue one another and that won't matter either. Notice how Jobs wanted to destroy Google, but still kept Google search and maps?

Too bad these big companies can't find a way to avoid the legal morass (I know I'm in fairytale land) and give people (other than attorneys) jobs with all this play money.


Google is already using their ownership of Motorola Mobility to sue Apple
 
If Apple sues everyone and the courts tell them to stop selling their products, Apple will have a monopoly. Because Apple is going to use the fact that they won this case to sue other people. Eventually, Apple will be the only smartphone provider.

No, Apple would then be the only smartphone provider who was able to use those valid patents. Others could design their own version of a smartphone.
 
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