Jury Finds Largely in Favor of Apple in Apple vs. Samsung Trial, Awards More than $1 Billion in Damages

[cankster]

anyone who believes that patent rulings such as this hurt innovation has seriously misunderstood the policy behind patent law.

Patents ENCOURAGE innovation. Notice how all "smart"phones were alike prior to the iPhone. Apple created the iPhone and smartphones took a huge leap forward. Because of their innovation they have a right to be rewarded (in an effort to encourage innovation). The reward is that they are entitled to profit from their innovation. They are able to profit because other companies, like Samsung, are not allowed to copy them. This is how the market system works. If companies were free to copy each other no one would innovate because there would be no incentive to innovate. People do not innovate for innovation's sake. They innovate because they can profit from it. Being able to defend your patents is crucial to your ability to profit. If Apple had NOT won, that would have been the death knell for innovation. Everyone would just keep producing what every other company did. This is GOOD for innovation people. It's a poorly considered argument to say this kills innovation.

Blasphemy!!!

 

[MacNewsFix]

I'll wait for time to reveal all. Using patent wars to exterminate competition usually does not bode well for customers...

In that regard, Samsung has nobody to blame but itself.

 

[bkushner]

Al Sabawi, a former I.B.M. executive and founder of Quantopix, a software company, said Samsung deserved to lose:

To all the lazy copycats out there who think cutting and pasting is an intellectual achievement, that hard work, sweat and tears don't matter, that ideas, designs, and innovations can be stolen willy-nilly with no consequences: This is to you

 

[Glideslope]

I don't see how they sue Google. Google gives away the Android system for free. Google does not make a profit on the android OS. That is why Apple had to sue the manufacturer. They are the ones who make the profit on the OS.

Google uses Hardware Emissaries, Samsung, HTC, etc.... These devices use an OS that now violates Apple Intellectual property. Google will either change the look, feel, appearance, functionality of Jelly Bean, Ice Cream, Hot Fudge, and Egg Roll or, pay a license fee to Apple. This will be per device manufactured by the Hardware Emissaries.

Eric should have listened when Steve said stop. You're stealing our ideas.

I feel bad for HTC. IMO, they were used/created by Google as a diversion. I don't think we will hear much more about HTC. My disgust toward Samsung has no limit. Their Legal Team was a group of 1st year Public Defenders.

There were no winners today. Simply Justice.

 

[cankster]

Really? Cause it seemed like to me it was very limited compared to my Windows PDA (of which there were many smartphones that had the Windows mobile OS that my PDA used). For one at the time you couldn't add any apps to it, you could only use what Apple pre installed. It seemed kinda silly to me.

Of course, I'll say I don't think it would have taken off if Jobs hadn't relented and allowed third party apps on it. The reason when I finally gave in and got it (cause the 3G had GPS and I got lured in by that <- I wouldn't consider it until that was pointed out) that it got so useful for me was that I could easily find apps for it that I wanted and on top of that they weren't that expensive (Or I could find free ones). Even easier than for my PDA (of which I had a favorite site to go to to buy apps).

I guess everyone had diff opinions on what they think is awesome. Watching him using the touch screen was just amazing in the demonstration. I have not used the phone you are talking about so I can comment. I agree it was wise to let the app makers into the game. Very wise. The touch interface, and how well it worked, and felt, was like nothing I had ever seen at that point.

 

[Melab]

Kdarling said:
Btw, I finally took a few minutes to look up info on the jury:
Out of a pool of 74, 18 were chosen. And the end, each side got to dismiss four people without having to cite any reason, leaving 10 total.
The final jury includes an insurance salesman, an unemployed gamer dude, and an AT&T manager.
Each was asked what products they owned or planned to buy. Turns out that most potential jurors own both Apple and Samsung products.
Interestingly, about 1/3 didn't own a smartphone because of the data plan cost (!)
Reflecting the Silicon Valley location, five jurors have patents in their name.
Final group was 7 men, 3 women. (Then one woman left before trial began. See below.)
---

I was wrong about the Apple and Google employees making it onto the final jury:

The judge herself dismissed the Apple employee because he openly said he wanted his company to win.

The Google employee... who has a patent pending on an Android GUI feature... said he could be impartial. The judge said she believed him and overruled Apple's initial objection to him. So Apple used one of their final four dismissal freebies to get rid of him.

Another potential was the father of one of Apple's legal team. He was dimissed early after he said a lot of his family had worked for Apple and they considered themselves "a loyal Apple family".

Wow, those two Apple-associated candidates sound brazen.

 

[linkgx1]

well that could go either way. What if Apple just got fed up with being ripped off all the time and stopped for good? The world would be back on a slow climb with innovation rather than fast.

Speaking as a painter(art). If someone kept ripping off my work I would be pissed off and stop showing it publicly. What if Apple just started designing things never to see the outside world so no one can copy? We lose out because of thieving companies

True. The only thing I can say is for Samsung to turn this into a postitive. Create innovative things BEFORE Apple....then sue them.

 

[Melab]

anyone who believes that patent rulings such as this hurt innovation has seriously misunderstood the policy behind patent law.

Patents ENCOURAGE innovation. Notice how all "smart"phones were alike prior to the iPhone. Apple created the iPhone and smartphones took a huge leap forward. Because of their innovation they have a right to be rewarded (in an effort to encourage innovation). The reward is that they are entitled to profit from their innovation. They are able to profit because other companies, like Samsung, are not allowed to copy them. This is how the market system works. If companies were free to copy each other no one would innovate because there would be no incentive to innovate. People do not innovate for innovation's sake. They innovate because they can profit from it. Being able to defend your patents is crucial to your ability to profit. If Apple had NOT won, that would have been the death knell for innovation. Everyone would just keep producing what every other company did. This is GOOD for innovation people. It's a poorly considered argument to say this kills innovation.

I do not believe in patents because they encourage innovation, I actually couldn't care less at this point in my life. I am for patents because I genuinely believe in intellectual property.

 

[Gandir]

Google uses Hardware Emissaries, Samsung, HTC, etc.... These devices use an OS that now violates Apple Intellectual property. Google will either change the look, feel, appearance, functionality of Jelly Bean, Ice Cream, Hot Fudge, and Egg Roll or, pay a license fee to Apple. This will be per device manufactured by the Hardware Emissaries.

Eric should have listened when Steve said stop. You're stealing our ideas.

I feel bad for HTC. IMO, they were used/created by Google as a diversion. I don't think we will hear much more about HTC. My disgust toward Samsung has no limit. Their Legal Team was a group of 1st year Public Defenders.

There were no winners today. Simply Justice.

Its just to bad apple did not invent those things, apple copied them from a lot of sources. The first capacitive unit with pinch to zoom predated 1980

 

[Ryan John]

Oh b*llshit. You just don't like the result and so are blaming a court system which you don't even understand. Nokia had no difficulty winning when they sued Apple in the US.

Leaving aside the question of how choosing one multi-billion dollar multinational over another is "pandering to the $ over common sense," which enlightened republic do you live in anyway.

No it's not BS and your court system isn't difficult to comprehend, it used the UK's court system as a blueprint for the way it operates anyway. So don't tell me what I do and don't understand.

But it is a decision I disagree with due to the ease with which a patent can be obtained for the simplest thing within the US, and then upheld by a court system which goes against the common sense approach of most of the other courts in which a similar case has been heard.

You didn't see the courts in Australia, South Korea, Italy, Holland, Germany and the UK coming down so heavily in Apples favour, despite them all looking at essentially the same things. That to me smacks of a protectionist attitude by the US.

 

[Peace]

I realize everybody here is an expert but..

Doesn't Samsung have to pay legal fees also ?

 

[JohnPhamlore]

anyone who believes that patent rulings such as this hurt innovation has seriously misunderstood the policy behind patent law.

Patents ENCOURAGE innovation. Notice how all "smart"phones were alike prior to the iPhone. Apple created the iPhone and smartphones took a huge leap forward. Because of their innovation they have a right to be rewarded (in an effort to encourage innovation). The reward is that they are entitled to profit from their innovation. They are able to profit because other companies, like Samsung, are not allowed to copy them. This is how the market system works. If companies were free to copy each other no one would innovate because there would be no incentive to innovate. People do not innovate for innovation's sake. They innovate because they can profit from it. Being able to defend your patents is crucial to your ability to profit. If Apple had NOT won, that would have been the death knell for innovation. Everyone would just keep producing what every other company did. This is GOOD for innovation people. It's a poorly considered argument to say this kills innovation.

A perfect example of the no desire to innovate is the world of consumer grade PCs. One merely has to look at the sad state of PC keyboards, almost all of which have mushy soul-deadening keys. But that is not even the worst of it, someone idiot years ago came up with a keyboard design for laptops, that I call the "keyboard of fail" that has the right shift key whose right edge does not align with the enter or return key above, or alternately a right shift key that is only the size of a regular key, say the arrow keys. This keyboard design is pushed on lower-cost PC laptop users, I suspect as a deliberate punishment for daring to spend less money.

And then in pure cargo-cult imitation, these same PC makers when producing Macbook Air clones adopt the Apple keyboard layout.

 

[testerdennis]

It is a great example. They had a difficult relationship. She learned to love him for his faults and his strengths. Maybe you should read it. Or continue judging people you never met by faceless posts on blogs.

Whatever I'm just stating facts that are well known. I guess you and him were very close.
I'm done with this I can go on and on and post more info on what a fantastic human being he was but you will say different as you knew him better than most.
I am being sincere may he rest in peace.

Cheers and have a goodnight off to my Scientology class tomorrow.

 

[sha4000]

KnightWRX, I noticed you stopped posting as soon as it became painfully clear that Samesung...I mean Samsung wasn't going to recover from this one.
I get it. I'm from Canada too. I like going for the underdog. Going against companies that get big, when before they were small. Rooting for the one that seems to be unjustly persecuted - even if the evidence is overwhelmingly supporting the contrary.

You defend your posts with the stance of "objectivity". Looking at the evidence "neutrally", in a nonpartisan manner. Being free of bias. Maybe that crap flies where your from, but every last post you make is laced with bias. I see right through the facade you so delicately build and I understand. Things will get better...at least Samsung can appeal right? They always have that move. Then we can go back to the "being objective" song and dance. It's ok to be an Android fan, just don't be in the closet about it. No one is going to judge you because of your choices. Macrumors is a safe place - though a unconventional place to be a Fandroid - but a equal opportunity Android/iOS liking space none-the-less.

This is so childish. Why do you feel the need to say any of this?

 

[Melab]

I realize everybody here is an expert but..

Doesn't Samsung have to pay legal fees also ?

Inconsequential.

 

[DeckerUK]

My point is if you are a child then fine, make fun of where someone lives. If you are a mature person, then act like one.

What, more mature posting using derogatory terms like this......

Another mouth breather...................

Or really mature ones that clearly indicate blind worship like this......

Samsung GUILTY woo hoo

Asian knock offs SUCK.

...... selective criticism doesn't bode well for appearing mature either......

But hey, some of the comments here are great entertainment..... just play nice together.....

 

[entatlrg]

This is so childish. Why do you feel the need to say any of this?

Childish? Debatable. True? Absolutely!

 

[Glideslope]

Google bought the OS from a small startup which was called Android Inc.

Handset developers can choose to use Android as the OS or go with the WP7 standards.

Yes, yes, but Jelly Bean is a Google Product.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

A perfect example of the no desire to innovate is the world of consumer grade PCs. One merely has to look at the sad state of PC keyboards, almost all of which have mushy soul-deadening keys. But that is not even the worst of it, someone idiot years ago came up with a keyboard design for laptops, that I call the "keyboard of fail" that has the right shift key whose right edge does not align with the enter or return key above, or alternately a right shift key that is only the size of a regular key, say the arrow keys. This keyboard design is pushed on lower-cost PC laptop users, I suspect as a deliberate punishment for daring to spend less money.

And then in pure cargo-cult imitation, these same PC makers when producing Macbook Air clones adopt the Apple keyboard layout.

oh look another person who thinks that apple invent the chicklet keyboard design.

Sorry but that is far from the truth. That honor belongs with sony. Apple stole their design.

 

[Glideslope]

Its just to bad apple did not invent those things, apple copied them from a lot of sources. The first capacitive unit with pinch to zoom predated 1980

The problem is..... It's not 1980.

 

[Windlasher]

Dont be an ass...

Inconsequential.

You remind me of those guys who post a desperate plea for help on a board and then when they figure it out post a replay saying "I figured it out", but don't bother to say how.

IT was a yes or NO question.

 

[DCJ001]

This is AWESOME as a stock holder haha.
I got in at $590 a couple months ago and everyone said "that's way too high!"

Feels good to get a Win!

That's great!

So you took my advice when I said:

You might want to consider buying AAPL Monday, June 11, morning.

It might be your last chance to buy AAPL below $600 per share.

You would have really been better off if you had listened when I said:

Actually, AAPL was in the low $80's per share in March, 2009.

But it's not too late to buy. One year from now, you'll be remembering that AAPL was $325 in December, 2010. And two to three years from now, you'll really wish that you had bought it now, if you don't already own some AAPL.

 

[Peace]

You remind me of those guys who post a desperate plea for help on a board and then when they figure it out post a replay saying "I figured it out", but don't bother to say how.

IT was a yes or NO question.

Thank you.

 

[macneubie]

Given this victory, will Apple also sue ultrabook makers who tried to copy MBA?

 

[DeckerUK]

I realize everybody here is an expert but................

Over a year of leeching and I have just noticed that there are an awful lot of law graduates on here..... I know where to come when I am in a bit of bother next........