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Jury Finds Largely in Favor of Apple in Apple vs. Samsung Trial, Awards More than $1 Billion in Damages
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Anyone following the trial and paying attention to important things like FACTS and TESTIMONY and the INTERNAL EMAILS WITHIN SAMSUNG should have clearly been expecting the outcome Apple was awarded. No reasonably intelligent person, looking at the situation objectively, taking, you know, THE LAW into consideration, and leaving EMOTION out of it, could have possibly come to any other conclusion than Samsung WILLFULLY and with specific intent copied Apple's patented features and trade-dress.
Samsung has proven it has nary an iota of corporate honor. Hell, even in their own post-verdict remarks, Samsung doesn't deny that they copied. Samsung basically argues that they should have been allowed to continue to copy.
And, contrary to Samsung's post-verdict claims, this verdict is the best possible outcome for consumers. Now Samsung and others will be FORCED to actually innovate. Copying another company's patented features is NOT innovation. It's the exact opposite of innovation.
It's when companies come up with completely new and better ways of designing a UI that we, the consumers, get true innovation. And that is exactly why the iPhone became such a sensation! It was something the world had never seen before and Apple knew full well that dishonorable companies like Samsung would want to copy it, so Apple patented the hell out of it. Just as every single one of YOU would do if you ever created/innovated something new and wonderful. Particularly if it cost you MILLIONS of dollars to get there!
And speaking of honor, every single person that celebrates and condones Samsung's dishonorable practices is a person without personal honor themselves. The whines and complaints are not any surprise to me, however. Personal honor has been going in the toilet since the '70s in this country. These days, far too many individuals simply want to mimic the sickening typical corporate greed credo of "screw the other guy before he screws me".
I applaud Tim Cook and the entire team at Apple for fighting for what is right and just. I applaud them for NOT settling for anything less than a clear and decisive victory over the illicit activities of a dishonorable company!
Mark
Samsung has proven it has nary an iota of corporate honor. Hell, even in their own post-verdict remarks, Samsung doesn't deny that they copied. Samsung basically argues that they should have been allowed to continue to copy.
And, contrary to Samsung's post-verdict claims, this verdict is the best possible outcome for consumers. Now Samsung and others will be FORCED to actually innovate. Copying another company's patented features is NOT innovation. It's the exact opposite of innovation.
It's when companies come up with completely new and better ways of designing a UI that we, the consumers, get true innovation. And that is exactly why the iPhone became such a sensation! It was something the world had never seen before and Apple knew full well that dishonorable companies like Samsung would want to copy it, so Apple patented the hell out of it. Just as every single one of YOU would do if you ever created/innovated something new and wonderful. Particularly if it cost you MILLIONS of dollars to get there!
And speaking of honor, every single person that celebrates and condones Samsung's dishonorable practices is a person without personal honor themselves. The whines and complaints are not any surprise to me, however. Personal honor has been going in the toilet since the '70s in this country. These days, far too many individuals simply want to mimic the sickening typical corporate greed credo of "screw the other guy before he screws me".
I applaud Tim Cook and the entire team at Apple for fighting for what is right and just. I applaud them for NOT settling for anything less than a clear and decisive victory over the illicit activities of a dishonorable company!
Mark
I think the damage is done. Apple is moving away from Samsung memory and displays as fast as they can. A story here on macrumors ( LG Begins Mass Production of Displays Said to Be for Next iPhone ) and ends by reporting "LG, Sharp, and Japan Display are all producing displays with in-cell touch sensors for the next-generation iPhone".
Just as Apple is doing what it can to distance itself from Google, it's doing the same with Samsung. They need each other but with Apple's phones so popular and with injunctions/bannings about to happen to a lot of Samsung phones, it appears that Samsung needs Apple a whole lot more.
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Congratulations to Apple and a hearty Thank You to the jury. As with any trial, it's all in the luck of the draw. Justice is not blind. Justice is a tired mom that just wants to get back to her family or a hungover grandpa who'd rather be fishing. It's a group of people that, many times, aren't listening or bored and just want to go home. And that's the reason that obvious solutions don't happen. I'm glad this time, "justice" prevailed.
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Don't know if anyone answered you or not, the devices aren't banned..yet. Apple has till Aug 29 to make that decision and submit to the court.
how often do appeals overturn jury verdicts?
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Are you suggesting Samsung chose incompetent jurors?
Attacking the poster? Not at all! I'm interested to read your posts!!
How has your analysis gone so far? Anyway, doesn't matter the verdict is in. How come you're still going through mountains of documents? Yea, that's probably what the Samsung lawyers are doing right now too, while Apple lawyers are likely on their boats celebrating
You wrote: "At least I back mine up with facts, documents, decisions, unlike some others who just don't even bother to read the claims, the verdicts and rulings and fail to understand any of this. They just have this opinion based on some corporate favouritism."
I have to agree with part of this. I certainly did not spend countless hours looking up facts, documents, decisions, claims, verdicts, and rulings like you did. I did not understand it all or every technical detail of the patents.
BUT - I could see for myself what Samsung was doing. Copying the product, software, accessories, packaging, marketing, ETC. I thought to myself, "wow, Samsung seems to be on a mission to copy everything Apple". I wondered if it could all be legal and hoped Apple had patented everything they could. I did recall Steve Job's saying they'd applied for over 200 patents.
I never changed my tune, what Samsung did was wrong and I hoped Apple made them pay dearly. I never dug into the infinite details like you did, but I do have a head on my shoulders, I've designed, innovated, invented and patented consumer products for many years. So while you may like everyone to believe those who side Apple are some fan club who base their opinions on corporate favourtism ... you couldn't be more wrong. I just believe in "fair play".
This is a victory against IP theft and in favor of designers, innovators and inventors. There's a difference between stealing idea's and violating patents.
Apple leads, others follow. Now companies have to innovate rather than duplicate and that's a WIN for every consumer.
So there you have it, a WIN for designers, innovators, inventors and consumers ... you should be ecstatic, right? You're happy about this aren't you??
Perhaps you might be right.
The issue I have with the ruling is not that Apple have won, clearly you'd have to be blind not to see that Samsung have simply copied Apple's product line. The issue i have is with the nature of upholding design patents, it is laughable to suggest that Apple should have the patent for curved corners. I'm pretty sure this will be turned over at a higher court.
As others have posted I think Apple are being a bit too short term about this. Despite being the biggest individual player do they really want to be facing constant litigation from all their competitors over the slightest design detail? It's a battle they can't win in the long run.
Sure if someone clearly copies their device, won't settle then they have every right to sue. The suspicion here is that Apple are using pretty generous design patents which effectively adds up to little more than protectionism. As a global player they need to think beyond the US where they won't find such a favorable court.
I'm not, I'm eating lunch and preparing my diner party. I have gone over the verdict, I have gone over all the documents in the past, I'm interested to see what Samsung's appeal arguments are going to be moving forward and I still find the verdict intriging in many areas, and am still puzzled and trying to find where the trademarked icons went, but won't spend a minute more searching for that now.
If you think the "verdict" being in means this is all over and there's still not a ton of issues, motions, and discussion left, you haven't followed many trials in your days.
I don't have all day to go over this. 30 minutes this morning and 15 minutes now is about all I can spare. Sorry to disappoint you.
Not really surprised by the verdict.
American Company + Biased American Judge + American Jury = Apple Win
This was always going to happen.
Fortunately I live in Europe so this judgement has absolutely no weight here.
Apple is fast becoming the new IBM or Microsoft - a big bad bully that everyone loves to hate.
American Company + Biased American Judge + American Jury = Apple Win
This was always going to happen.
Fortunately I live in Europe so this judgement has absolutely no weight here.
Apple is fast becoming the new IBM or Microsoft - a big bad bully that everyone loves to hate.
Lol of all the crazy justifications, the "the judge was biased" is the one with the least weight. But, i guess people have to make sense of it somehow!
Good. This is what should have happened. It's a darn shame though Steve wasn't alive to see this.
Except for that little company that makes a popular operating system for computers that is now in the phone market big time. that little company is microsoft. They may be the biggest winners yesterday.
The war isn't over, the enemy has just changed.
at the rate they have been moving, Google could fix any issues before Apple can get a pen to paper.
It's my understanding that because Microsoft licensed certain things from Apple, Apple will make a little money on every sale made from that "little company"
I don't see them becoming enemies.
As for yesterday's judgement, as long as Apple gets more money than they would have received if Samsung had licensed their technology properly to begin with, mission accomplished.
The Judge is not Korean. She was born and educated in the USA. She is American.
Sometimes quite often in State courts. Texas appellate courts, for example, overturn almost a third of civil jury verdicts, especially where the plaintiff won.
Federal appellates seem far less likely to overturn a jury verdict. However, Samsung's appeal wouldn't be of the jury verdict itself.
The appeal would likely be of the judge's decision to withhold evidence that might've affected the jury's decision.
That's right, this WAS always going to happen. I called it from the very start. As did any rational, intelligent, educated person. The jury actually made a decision based on the facts of the case, not on some emotional allegiance to one company or the other.
And it's EXACTLY how YOU would have voted had you been sworn and charged to with the responsibility to help decide the case. That is, assuming you are a rational and intelligent person.
Mark
Most notably on their evidence for prior art to invalidate Apple's patent, which would make any infringement verdict moot and remove those damages from the equation.
They don't have to invalidate the whole of the verdict, only force some parts to be retried to significantly lower damages.
The REAL reason all of you whining Apple-haters are so upset is because you want to continue to have the cool and awesome features of Apple's products without having to actually buy an Apple product. You badmouth Apple out of one side of your mouth, and then jabber out the other side about how it's unfair that Samsung can't copy.
I'd suggest you are all a bunch of hypocrites but, frankly, you can't be a hypocrite if you don't have any personal honor to begin with.
Mark
I'd suggest you are all a bunch of hypocrites but, frankly, you can't be a hypocrite if you don't have any personal honor to begin with.
Mark